This should help us cut down on the trolls. We recommend other instances do the same, because they will likely be targeted also.

I apologize for all their gore-posts as well, no one should have to see that. We’ll try to look for more admins from different time-zones as well to get them faster.

The two other possibilities we have currently as options, are turning on required email verification, and as a last resort, closing signups. I personally would rather not do either, but they are options.

Many thanks to @k_o_t@lemmy.ml and @AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml for banning those trolls.

    • poVoq
      10•3 years ago

      Invite only instances would be also nice for self-hosting.

    • DessalinesOPM
      9•3 years ago

      Not opposed as long as someone else codes it lol. I’m a bit swamped.

  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
    6•3 years ago

    The brigading is really unfortunate and thanks to the admins for doing all the work to contain it. As Lemmy grows in usage requiring email verification may be unavoidable, but hopefully having a registration application will do the trick in the immediate term. Something like this was bound to happen sooner or later, so at least this is a useful test case for how such brigading and spam can be addressed going forward.

  • @stopit@lemmy.ml
    6•3 years ago

    No worries. I have seen surprisingly few of these types of posts, so you’re currently doing something better then other alternatives and I appreciate your efforts to make things even better.

  • Mossy
    6•3 years ago

    I downvoted and reported as many posts as I can, I don’t know how much that helped but it was good to check back a couple hours later and see that the trolls’ posts had been removed

  • mtumishiA
    4•3 years ago

    After upgrading to 0.15.1, I activated the signup form. I haven’t had to deal with the daily trolls. Not ideal but it helps.

  • ghost_laptop
    3•3 years ago

    I think having more admins from more time zones is the best solution, then e-mail verification and then having to fill out a form because it takes time to be reviewed and it takes more time from me because i have to write shit and anyway i can lie.

  • CHEF-KOCH
    3•3 years ago

    You do not need to apologize for actions of others, you did your best and you found a solution for this issue which is what at the end counts.

    Lemmy does lots of more work than most other platforms I know, admins and mods are often very fast and helpful + resourceful.

    My idea was to introduce some sort of reputation based system but the problem is, that bots maybe could abuse the system to upvote themselves to get some sort of credit or reputation, call it what you want. Most boards use captchas and eMail verification systems to workaround this. Maybe an option would be to enable captchas for users who have below x posts as a middle ground, lets say 1 captcha per new submission until you have 5 posts in total.

    • Star Wars Enjoyer
      2•3 years ago

      The Lemmy devs have already decided that karma is just a bottomless pit that just harms users mental health, so it’s highly doubtful we’d ever have a reputation system be introduced, as that’s literally the same thing.

      Also, captchas can be preventative to people with certain disabilities, so introducing them (I believe it would be reintroducing, actually) would contradict Lemmy’s disability-inclusive culture. As well, email verification wouldn’t work for people who would prefer anonymity. And nefarious users could just use a spoof mail account, so the introduction of required email account verification would really only harm privacy-focused real users, and do nothing to prevent trolls. Also, while on the subject and though you didn’t mention it, we don’t ban IPs because some VPNs reuse them for multiple people. So banning the IP of a troll might also cause the ban of real users.

      • DessalinesOPM
        3•3 years ago

        These are my thoughts on email too. Using throwaways is so easy for trolls, and legitimate users now have a privacy concern since a lot of the “legitimate” email services are really invasive.

    • @obbeel@lemmy.ml
      1•3 years ago

      Reputation would just turn this into Reddit, where you can’t do anything or interact unless you use a single account or post what Reddit would like you to post.

  • @Echedenyan@lemmy.ml
    2•3 years ago

    What does a person need to apply as admin or moderator? (this last one in general communities driven by admins or thought at site level like asklemmy)

    • @AgreeableLandscape@lemmy.ml
      4•3 years ago

      This is just my opinion:

      Must haves:

      • A history of quality activity on Lemmy.ml or another instance we federate with, such as amicable discussion, links to reputable web resources, etc.

      • Frequently online. I’d say at least once a day is ideal, but I also understand that you’re a volunteer, and will reasonably have other things going on where you might be missing for several days or otherwise intermittent at times.

      • An interest in helping to develop the Lemmy community and ecosystem.

      • No recent violation of instance rules or Lemmy project code of conduct.

      Nice to have but optional:

      • History of reporting rule breaking content, particularly spam.

      • Has provided inputs on Lemmy development or the the direction the Lemmy community is going.

      • Already a moderator of a community, or an admin on another instance (we will use your moderation history to assess your application).

      • Activity on the Lemmy Matrix rooms (please Link your Matrix).

      • Activity on the Lemmy project GitHub or other source control site that Lemmy is on, either as a code contributor or making/discussing pull requests (please Link your GitHub/other source control website).

      It would also help to specify your time zone and the languages you know.

      • @Echedenyan@lemmy.ml
        4•3 years ago

        Must haves:

        • To check by you if my history is enough
        • I connect to Lemmy.ml three times a day at minimum to read mostly.
        • Yes, I have. I use to try to even promote Lemmy here but it is difficult given the main focus in English content (by now).
        • To check too.
        • No

        Optional:

        • To check as I don’t track myself on that since recently.
        • I think I can say that I did and do.
        • No, never thought on applying until now. I was not sure if I could hold the responsibility.
        • I am not in Lemmy Official Matrix room(s), I only helped to mount the unofficial spanish one ( https://matrix.to/#/#lemmy-es:mozilla.org ) and my Matrix account is @echedeylr:mozilla.org.
        • A little but my account is https://github.com/EchedeyLR.

        Timezone: one less than Nutomic’s one

        Languages: Spanish and English (not native, B1 certified)

  • @Thann@lemmy.ml
    2•3 years ago

    I think we need a new permission-level that allows a user to delete comments and ban other non-admin users, so we can have more “site-mods”, without increasing risk of someone doing something undesirable with their power.
    Maybe admins need “superuser” status to see / edit the site-config?

    • DessalinesOPM
      5•3 years ago

      Imo its not necessary to go back to allowlist yet, and I’d rather add malicious instances to our blocklist. We’ve only had to add like 2 so far, but can easily add more.

  • @Akimoto@lemmy.ml
    2•3 years ago

    Doing registration form with manual approval is a good first step. My 2 cents is you could also implementing an invite based registration where users are allowed to invite their trusted friends.

    Similar to how reputable private trackers works. There is form registration, interview, or invite from existing members. If existing member invites too many leechers, the current member will get a warning and ban eventually. This system is mostly working for private trackers so far.

  • Vegafjord eo
    2•3 years ago

    If other lemmy sites doesn’t do the same, we should not federate with them.