I have to ask, do you hold the same quarrel over these events? https://archive.ph/BAxYc
Russia had a deal with the existing democratically elected government in Ukraine to have a base in Crimea. Claiming this was laying groundwork for annexation is ridiculous because there was no reason for any sort of annexation if Ukraine stayed on friendly relations with Russia.
Meanwhile, the pogroms were already happening before the regime took power. I’ve linked you the sources for this at least a dozen times. The fact that you continue to pretend none of this happened makes it pretty clear that facts don’t actually matter to you.
The Ukrainian people are being kidnapped off the street and sent to die by the regime US installed in Ukraine after overthrowing a democratically elected government. Most Ukrainians don’t want to have a war and have their lives destroyed. The only people who want this war are ghouls living in the west who aren’t personally affected by it.
Just to break it down, all I did was point out that you used a logical fallacy as a form of argument. In response, you started babbling about victimhood, narcissism, lies, and bullying. You are in that DARVO picture buddy, and it’s not a good look. What you’re doiing here is trolling and gaslighting. It’s very transparent. You have no points to make, you’re not able to formulate a sound argument, and all you do is just copy/paste the same drivel over and over adding nothing but noise to this thread. Go outside and touch grass.
RAND literally published a study explaining how US could provoke Russia into precisely the kind of war we’re seeing, but you keep on going there buddy https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html
Why does Ukraine bear all the responsibility in ending a war started by Russia?
This isn’t about bearing responsibility, it’s about dealing with the real world. Ukraine is not able to defeat Russia in this war. That’s just a simple fact. Whatever the west is doing is not going to change the outcome. You don’t have to take my word for it. This is literally what Obama stated back in 2016:
You seem to be under the impression that the sins of the US absolve Putin and his troops.
I’ve never stated anything of the sort. You seem to equate honestly discussing the causes for the war with moral support.
Whataboutism is a form of a tu quoque logical fallacy used to justify having double standards for one’s own behavior and that of others. Anybody using this term unironically can be safely dismissed.
The Chinese complaints of the US sending ships and planes into the South China Sea, because China claims they’re territorial waters?
What part of US has no business in South China sea are you struggling with precisely?
Whatever territorial disputes China might have with Vietnam are for China and Vietnam to resolve. Your shithole country has no business playing world police, please try and get that through your head.
The military leaders who ordered troops to garrison in illegal areas should be arrested, charged, and tried in an impartial court.
It’s pretty telling that western media has been studiously ignoring war crimes committed by Ukraine. In fact, we never see western war crimes punished, if the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged. Until the west starts holding itself accountable, it has no moral ground to judge others.
Putin can end this war by pulling back his troops
This will obviously not happen, so I don’t know why people keep repeating this as if it has any meaning. The reality of the situation is that Russia will fight this war to the end, and all the west is doing is prolonging the war which results in increased death and suffering. The goal of prolonging the war is not to help Ukraine but to weaken Russia. This was the stated goal in the RAND study before the war, and was recently reiterated by none other than US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin.
Finally, Ukraine lost sovereignty when the west ran a coup there in 2014 and installed a far right regime in place of a democratically elected government.
Bro I never said China was the aggressor. I said that both the US and Chinese spokespeople are being whiny posturing removed.
Once again, US comes half way across the world to surround China. Chinese complaints are legitimate, US complaints are the complaints of a bully.
Ok bub. I know you’re just here to push your propaganda line, but if you want to talk about aggression in the South China Sea how about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_South_Reef_Skirmish.
And this still has no relevance to the discussion of what US is doing in South China sea. I have no idea why you keep bringing that up as some kind of a gotcha.
Once again, there’s grey in the world and the countries we support can do bad things that we should call out, and it isn’t a flaw or a weakness to admit that.
Yet, every single intervention that US has done since WW2 has made the world worse, destroyed countries, and led to countless millions of deaths. US needs to mind its own business and to stop trying to play world police.
You literally just voiced support for literal fascists doing terrorism in Belgorod. And war crimes of Ukraine are well documented, even amnesty international acknowledges them. And of course, these include execution of POWs.
Perhaps, educate yourself on what actual historians have to say on the subject.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2500600
During the 1932 Holodomor Famine, the USSR sent aid to affected regions in an attempt to alleviate the famine. According to Mark Tauger in his article, The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933:
While the leadership did not stop exports, they did try to alleviate the famine. A 25 February 1933 Central Committee decree allotted seed loans of 320,000 tons to Ukraine and 240,000 tons to the northern Caucasus. Seed loans were also made to the Lower Volga and may have been made to other regions as well. Kul’chyts’kyy cites Ukrainian party archives showing that total aid to Ukraine by April 1933 actually exceeded 560,000 tons, including more than 80,000 tons of food
Some bring up massive grain exports during the famine to show that the Soviet Union exported food while Ukraine starved. This is fallacious for a number of reasons, but most importantly of all the amount of aid that was sent to Ukraine alone actually exceeded the amount that was exported at the time.
Aid to Ukraine alone was 60 percent greater than the amount exported during the same period. Total aid to famine regions was more than double exports for the first half of 1933.
According to Tauger, the reason why more aid was not provided was because of the low harvest
It appears to have been another consequence of the low 1932 harvest that more aid was not provided: After the low 1931, 1934, and 1936 harvests procured grain was transferred back to peasants at the expense of exports.
Tauger is not a communist, and ultimately this specific article takes the view that the low harvest was caused by collectivization (he factors in the natural causes of the famine in later articles, based on how he completely neglects to mention weather in this article at all its clear that his position shifted over the years). However, the fact is that the Soviets really did try to alleviate the famine as best as they could.
On the other hand, we can look at what an actual intentional genocide looks like where Europeans massacred so many indigenous people in North America that it changed the climate!
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article225350745.html
Not to mention such hits as the Irish and Bengal famines.
Except I didn’t lie about anything here. I stated plain facts that I backed up with sources, and detailed explanations. You on the other hand, tried to psychoanalyze me, tell me what I think, and failed to make any actual points or address anything I said.
Then you deny that and continue trolling here for over an hour. Your comment history literally matches what you so conveniently quoted:
“DARVO is an acronym used to describe a common strategy of abusers. The abuser will: Deny the abuse ever took place, then Attack the victim for attempting to hold the abuser accountable; then they will lie and claim that they, the abuser, are the real victim in the situation, thus Reversing the Victim and Offender.”
It’s pretty clear that being the narcissist that you are, you’re going to need to have the last word. So, I’m going to stop here. Enjoy your dopamine rush from having the last say.
Nah, the country that massacred over 6 million people with its war on terror is the actual greater evil, and the reason US does mass murder around the globe is because of people like you https://bylinetimes.com/2021/09/15/up-to-six-million-people-the-unrecorded-fatalities-of-the-war-on-terror/
aww, is your bullying not giving you that dopamine rush you’re after anymore?
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We have plenty of video evidence of this happening in Ukraine, but whatever you say my little dronie. And yeah, opinion polls mean so much in a country that’s now effectively a military dictatorship.