Source: https://linux-hardware.org/?view=os_display_server
Reporting is done by users who voluntarily upload their system specs via
Reporting is done by users who voluntarily upload their system specs via
So not skewed at all…
Do you have a better way of measuring it?
In what direction would voluntary self-reporting of all system specs skew the display server statistic (and why)?Do you have a better way of measuring it?
No better way of measuring doesn’t mean this is a good way of measuring.
What way do you imagine would be more precise?
A method that attempts to collect data from a randomized or representative population rather than relying on self-report.
The fact that you need consent to get this data would make a randomized approach impossible.
Yes. It just may be possible that accurate poll data on such things isn’t possible.
Could always go for opt-out instead opt-in metrics. Fedora had some recent controversy with it.
canonical has been doing this for years too, and a significant portion of linux users are on ubuntu. i’m not sure if a good portion of users enable it though.
What way do you imagine would be more precise?
Unavoidable analytics, apparently. Yay?
I like the way kde does it. On first install it gives a slider with how much analytics you want to send. I just do all of it because I trust KDE, but it’s nice that it asks you. They probably have some pretty good data.
This is the important point IMHO. This kind of feedback is exactly something I’d love to do, but I don’t think I had any idea about it before this post. Just a little popup on a new install/upgrade would be a much broader net.
I imagine people who care about this sort of thing are more likely to report it. And people who care about this sort of thing are also more likely to be early adopters and go through the effort of switching to Wayland.
The way to get a more random sample is not something I want (built-in, automatic telemetry by default). So I’m fine with having skewed data for something like this.
Its a pretty good survey and has a good sample size. Statistics is hard. I won’t take the criticism too seriously.
I just did that, why not, but it misreported my DE anyway, so I’d take the OP post with quite a grain of salt.
err, why? actually it can be skewed against wayland(wayland users tend to be more security aware), and why the suprise, KDE, GNOME are wayland from the get go, steam deck too, hyprland and sway etc
It can skew either way equally. We’re just left to do armchair psychology about the type of people who would submit data to this site. So the numbers are effectively useless.
But the change in the numbers is not useless since the psychology of the Wayland users vs. x11 didn’t change
That seems probable but was there any doubt that Wayland use is increasing? Wayland has been changing to the default distro by distro. The only reason this is “news” is because somebody has claimed that “Wayland usage has overtaken X11”.
fair
respects to “unknown” and tty users.
fuck display servers. All my homies love ASCII display tech.
Seeing unknown: “What’s he building in there? …we have a right to know.”
That’s Canonical building Mir 2.
oh god, not canonical.
LET MEEEE INNNNNN
TTY through telekinesis
Framebuffers and TUIs: are we a joke to you?
mmmm lack of proper double buffering on i3wm my beloved
There’s Twin.
I will add some more once i’m home.You know what? I’ll just dump this here:
- draw: mouse drawing on the shell!
- imgfb: Draws a farbfeld or jpeg image to the Linux framebuffer
- baca: TUI e-book reader
- Terminal Image Viewer (tiv)
- FIM: framebuffer image viewer
- derasterize: cli pixel to ANSI converter
- fbterm: framebuffer terminal
- twin: Textmode WINdow environment
- directfb2: framebuffer desktop
- csv to ascii art table via python pandas
Give me sixel apps, I want a sixel destop with hardware video decoding
i like this, this is good.
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kmsdrm is tty, but not ascii. Or fbdev.
links -gis best browser in Gentoo Minimal CD
Wait, is it on a population of 5000 computers? Bruh, why are we even looking at this?
I’ve switched to X11 last week, because kwin_wayland crashes each time my monitor enters low-power mode.
My intel laptop on kde is unreliable, but gnome is super stable.
If you want windows like taskbar, you can turn it on gnome and other features that will make it more like windows.
On desktop with AMD video card I saw no difference between kde and gnome.
I ended up back on gnome. Because it was less distracting. I am a long time gnome user and kde was a curiosity. Latest versions of both (Arch Linux).
Out of curiosity, what GPU do you have?
Intel UHD graphics.
I switched to Wayland the moment my distro went moved to KDE Plasma 6 because according to my logic: if things are going to be broken and I’m going to adjust to them anyways, I might as well do it all at once: shock therapy style.
Plasma 6 broke a lot of my desktop customization, but that is to be expected. And Wayland? It has been surprisingly okay. I am experiencing some keyboard-related problems that I can’t even begin to track down (sometimes the keyboard flat out refuses to work for certain programs, sometimes it’s the numpad). However, I am not sure if it’s really related to Wayland, so I’m withholding judgement.
I’m sure Nvidia will become stable on wayland by the time xfce also migrates lol
Way to go Wayland
I wonder how representative that is of actual software used. I would imagine hardware probes are run from installers and live systems quite frequently. I would certainly not expect several percentage points of “neither” in practical settings.
“Neither” are Linux systems that don’t use a display server, i.e. CLI only systems.
Yeah, but when was the last time you decided to upload hardware device data for a root server to some hardware survey? That is something almost exclusively done by the kind of people who want to show off their system in some way.
Counterpoint: OS market share from the corresponding BSD-hardware site:
Those poor Nvidia users lol.
I’m currently on Wayland with Nvidia hardware and it’s running fine tbh
yup, same. especially after explicit sync lands in a couple of days, even the rest of the minor problems should vanish.
I can’t wait for my GPU to not be at 70c running Firefox.
Same here. With the exception of the explicit sync, which will hopefully be resolved this week, I have been running Plasma 6 wayland since February. And honestly when I tried the X11 version it had more issues.
fine here as well. I don’t game much these days but when I do, it’s pretty nice. Ever since the update that made the “night light” functional (the blue-light filter), I’ve been pretty happy!
I mean, by now everyone should know not to buy Nvidia hardware if you want to run Linux on it.
It’s been more than 10 years since Linus’ finger to Nvidia.
“Everyone” who wants to be informed, but linux is also for the unconcerned or for newcomers.
Not to mention the monopoly that nvidia has on laptops.
I know it would be great if we could install Linux on any hardware, but unfortunately we’re not there yet.
So you can either buy a laptop with Linux preinstalled, from a manufacturer who will support it, or do some research before hand.
And Nvidia doesn’t have a monopoly on laptops, you can buy an AMD gaming laptop
Sorry. Wife’s Christmas present. She wanted to surprise me. Gotta make do.
Linux is becoming more and more popular on the desktop because it is now well suited for gaming. In addition to Proton, you also have to consider all the handhelds like SteamDeck. Valve certainly doesn’t want an Nvidia product with crumbling proprietary drivers. With AMD, Nvidia could see that there is a market for it and has now established itself. It was only logical that Nvidia would not stand still. They will do everything to dominate the market as well.
Wayland works way better for me than X. GTX 1660
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Which nvidia drivers work with Wayland? I have one pc that only has 470 supported card, l guess all hopes are lost there… But my 980 gtx machine seems to work mostly on wayland, except somehow minecraft only works on Xorg
That’s a good question for Nvidia.
Gtx 470 should work just fine, but 980 will not work because nvidia locked it down.
Yea, it works with 470 using nouveau drivers but the card isn’t as fast as with the proprietary drivers, at least it felt like that for me
I think you need to change pstate in debugfs
Edit: 🥺gifs don’t work?
/sys/kernel/debug/dri/*/pstatehttps://nouveau.freedesktop.org/KernelModuleParameters.html
I had gtx 760 ti(yes, it exists) long time ago. It worked slow until I changed pstate.
🤩I’ll try
I try to switch once a month. Still not there for me yet, last time Cura was acting up.
I tried switching to Wayland on Mint, it did not go well. Unfortunately I do not care to follow an hour long guide to figure out how to get it to run games properly.
Is this because of me?
X11 has been mostly solid for me. Wonder if Wayland would be worth messing with.
To temper your expectations you’ll likely have some problems. But you’ll have the ability in future to make use of new display technologies, like VRR and HDR
Crazyy!
Btw I am XWayland free since today!
I have a list of recommended apps here
Some apps need environment variables:
Qt:
- qpwgraph
GTK
- GPU Screen recorder, I guess
Electron
- Nextcloud Flatpak
- MullvadVPN RPM
- Signal Flatpak
- (Element, I switched to the Webapp in Librewolf)
- Freetube Flatpak
You can use
xlsclients -lto detect apps using XWayland.Some may even want to run apps through XWayland on purpose, like KeepassXC for Clipboard access or autotype. Lets see how long it takes to implement all the needed protocols.
Let me know when wine finally gets ported to Wayland!
True, if I use bottles Flatpak as a GTK wayland app, the actual apps still use XWayland.
Not using any Wine apps though.
Yeah, games are the big reason I jumped ship and I’m pretty excited about the ongoing work porting Wine to Wayland. I’m also too broke to upgrade from my Nvidia card so the efforts improving Nvidia on Wayland are greatly appreciated.
Gotta save up for an education somehow.😄
Yes, “just buy new hardware” is not a solution.
But dont let some news fool ya. NVIDIA already won the AI race, so their “new open source driver” will only benefit their newly sold products
Yeah, thankfully I’ve got a turing card (2000 +)which is said to be the cutoff for the open source drivers.
/circlejerk
flatpak bad lmao
Flatpak saved my ass when I super broke my Arch upgrade but didn’t have time to fix it before work. I ran using only Flatpak apps for like 6 weeks because they were the only thing that worked
Funny. True, on superstable but also super unstable systems, having separated apps makes most sense.
Not actually on “immutable” rpm-ostree systems, as these have the best and most solid package management.
So actually when people say “these immutable systems, you just use Flatpaks”, actually on the regular systems you should mainly use Flatpaks.
Decent use case. You do use snapshots now, right?
Trying to set up snapshots is what broke my system. Not sure what the issue was exactly, but BTRFS was reporting a different amount of used space than there actually was, and my snapshots started recursively backing up until everything died
Next time I install Linux I’m going to use Ext4 and snapshots out the gate
That’s weird. I’ve had zero issues with BTRFS and I have both compression and snapshots.
Have you looked at bcachefs, by the way?
Honestly, I’m kind of tired of complicated stuff. I just want a fs that works and is easy to do recovery operations on when it doesn’t work. My SSD is big enough
Yeah. I’m hoping bcachefs ends up being good.
