Feel free to use this a megathread for the US/Israeli war on Iran.

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          I feel like its a goal of the MIC as it gives them a reason to exist. Use violence, terror, kill civilians to create more enemies and justify more military spending.

          Not a good long term strategy, but the orphan crushing machine still has people willing to operate it.

          • A🔻atar of 🔻engeance@lemmy.mlB
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            The US generally benefits from depopulating & undeveloping resource rich or strategically marginal areas for coercion, keeping costs down, denial purposes, or just to keeping value chains stable, but this risks blowing up the petrodollar system. I think they might actually be completely insane. What did WarClaude™ tell them?

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            You forgot the last bit, when we’ve fucked the whole world up escape to bunker.

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    Khamenei was the main reason Iran did not develop nuclear weapons up to now. With him gone, that becomes a much more likely scenario.

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            Because Iran wasn’t a dictatorship.

            It had factions.

            You know how Iran was always months away from nukes? It was. That was the hard liner faction who believed that only nukes would ensure Iran’s safety wanting to be able to quickly have one if the fatwa was removed.

            Did you not know this? If not, you should stop watching/reading the new sources that didn’t tell you this widely available information. They’re not new sources but propaganda sources.

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              Because Iran wasn’t a dictatorship.
              It had factions.

              Isn’t ayatollah the supreme leader?

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                Isn’t the president the executive branch?

                Jesus Christ, do you have any critical thinking skills?

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                  As far as I know, ayatollah is entitled to command all leaders of all branches.
                  That’s why he’s called the supreme leader.

                  It’s not true?

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            First of all, they were enriching uranium openly, not covertly, with IAEE monitoring their every move. Unlike Israel which has undeclared and never inspected nuclear arsenal.

            Second, enriching uranium has non-military uses like nuclear medicine (at which Iran is actually a global leader btw).

            And third, well, it’s easier to get 90% enriched uranium from 60% than it is from zero, in case the ruling changes.

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    Results of the imperialist aggression:

    An 86 year old dead

    150 school children vaporized

    Regime is still there

    American bases in the zone turned to rubble

    Strait of hormuz closed

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    Whelp.

    He was 86. I don’t know to what extent he was still in charge. It may have been anywhere from still fully in charge to just a figurehead.

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      It’s sort of a core part of their shield, if great man theory wasn’t true they’d have to reckon with the global structures of terror they support instead of just blaming putler and the orange man while screaming vote blue no matter who.

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    So the US has taken action against two heads of state in two months, and the rest of the world is not at all worried?

    I mean, if fair is fair, this should be a free-for-all, so I’d be all for Netanyahu, Bbukele and Putin going up in smoke next.

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      They are worried, but most of them are maintaining tenuous comprador regimes where their ruling classes’ finances are firmly linked to the imperial core

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        He has to at least answer for his pedophilia before he goes up in smoke. And besides, forget the smoke, I want to see him under the guillotine, his head framed as an example of What Not To Do.

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        His owners will get rid of him when he is no longer useful. At the moment he is the clown face emoji they all sign themselves off with

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    Well war over now right? Trump said the goal was regime change. We’ll mission accomplished. Right?

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      In the model of Venezuela as long as the actual top leader isn’t in charge anymore, it’s regime change.

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      The regime is not one person not to say that trump would not find more excuses if the regime really fall

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              because Iran is the biggest threat to Israel colonial ambition and they do not want another 1979

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            They are not still in place, they buckled and gave America huge concessions that will not serve them long term.

            If Iran’s new leadership says “we won’t attack Israel again, we’ll stop developing weapons to protect ourselves and will only purchase American weapons from now on” that’s when you know the regime changed.

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              Iran is like syria not Venezuela. If the regime ever change they will destroy all what is left of the Iranian military capability, arms more iranians factions to fight other factions and occupy part of Iran

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                Yes, I agree totally. I wasn’t saying that’s likely to happen in Iran, I was simply pointing out that Venezuela did have a regime change, a silent coup. The vice president publicly took over and released political prisoners and started cooperating with the CIA and with the US on Venezuela’s energy.

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    NBC and BBC both reporting this but they do not link to the source. So far I have not seen an Iranian source saying this.