Feel free to use this a megathread for the US/Israeli war on Iran.

  • Count042@lemmy.ml
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    1 day ago

    Because Iran wasn’t a dictatorship.

    It had factions.

    You know how Iran was always months away from nukes? It was. That was the hard liner faction who believed that only nukes would ensure Iran’s safety wanting to be able to quickly have one if the fatwa was removed.

    Did you not know this? If not, you should stop watching/reading the new sources that didn’t tell you this widely available information. They’re not new sources but propaganda sources.

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      Because Iran wasn’t a dictatorship.
      It had factions.

      Isn’t ayatollah the supreme leader?

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        1 day ago

        Isn’t the president the executive branch?

        Jesus Christ, do you have any critical thinking skills?

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          As far as I know, ayatollah is entitled to command all leaders of all branches.
          That’s why he’s called the supreme leader.

          It’s not true?

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            1 day ago

            Stop ignoring everything else I wrote you fucking propaganda poisoned jackass.

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              23 hours ago

              Stop being unnecessarily rude.

              Also: am I right in my point about ayatollah supremacy?

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                23 hours ago

                No, you’re not.

                You’re arguing by title to ignore the points made like a sophist. That is explicitly rude, while trying to pretend it isn’t.

                Bad faith responses deserve nothing other than the reflection of the rudeness they project.

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                  22 hours ago

                  I think we disagree.

                  By the way, I’m from Russia, and we have our own “totally not authoritarian” head of just one branch of government.

                  And the ayatollah - he’s effectively the head of all branches, while also having religious authority. It’s very hard to see any democracy here.

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                    20 hours ago

                    We don’t disagree. You are factually wrong. I’m not saying that it isn’t an authoritarian state. It absolutely is.but the simple fact of the matter is that the Ayatollah isn’t involved most decisions. His power mostly came into play with selecting who could run in their elections, which absolutely are real with the opposing sides running having significant political differences.

                    Did he get to set the goal posts for their parties? Yes, absolutely, and that isn’t a full on true democracy. But the Iranian civilians have far far more say in their government than a civilian Russian, for example.

                    Moreover, you’re debating all of this shit in ignorance to move the topic away from the fact the Iran didn’t have nukes SOLELY because the leader was religiously opposed to them. The religious leader the US and Israeli’s killed. While proving that they are unreliable negotiators.

                    The only rational view at this point for the average Iranian is to demand nukes.