Wellllll… In principle verification is not in itself an endorsement by the platform
In principle platforms should verify government entities, given sufficent documentationIn practice, I don’t fucking care, abolish ICE, fuck everyone who bows to them
In principle platforms should verify government entities, given sufficent documentation
Why?
I mean, you can’t really have accounts, pretending to be the president of the US, making joke tweets, and having people believe them. In that sense, verification is reasonable.
But yeah, Bluesky shouldn’t be letting these freaks anywhere near their platform
I say verify ‘em and then ban ‘em. “This is the real account, and it can really fuck off.”
If the platforms are (or pretend to be) politically neutral, then that’s what they should do - just make sure the accounts that are being created are what they’re being purported to be.
As I said, that’s bare minimum. Next comes a lot of risk mitigation. Some common sense risk mitigation.
tbf Lemmy is just Reddit in its infancy.
Not sure how a decentralized platform can be controlled by a single entity. Maybe lemmy.world, but not Lemmy itself.
The lives of people that care about the issues are spent switching services as previous ones enshitify themselves in order to get an extra buck and/or please the dear leader. I feel like I’m always switching some kind of service.
- It’s the same fucking Billionaire, Jack Dorsey made/whatever Twitter, and then he made/whatever Bluesky.
- This is the same fucking thing as the windows/mac switch from the 00s. If you want an alternative to fucking windows, linux exists and existed back then too. But it’s the same, the masses want the corporate bullshit, just the “New and improved!” version becoming trendy.
Linux is barely becoming a viable everyday option now, switching to it in the 2000s was not gunna work for most people. Glad it’s picking up steam but c’mon.
Jack Dorsey didn’t make bluesky, was on their board of directors briefly until he ragequitted because they started moderating content
"jack Dorsey “whatevered” twitter, then he "whatevered " blue sky.
Linux wasn’t consumer friendly until Ubuntu, Mac was an obvious alternative for average consumers in the early 00s. These things only pick up traction when the average user finds value in it. It’s literally about the lowest common detonator user. That’s just how consumerism works.
Yeah, so since the user isn’t more knowledgeable then they deserve to stick with the shitty standard instead of buying a fashion product and being elitists about it.
If they wanted to be elitists they could have “switched” to Linux.
This is your daily reminder to stop using platforms owned by billionaires.
Which billionaires own Bluesky?
Excuse me, but this is a Mastodon astroturf thread. Just close your eyes and hate Bluesky.
Seriously, I don’t use Bluesky or Mastodon because microblogs aren’t my thing since college, but I can see plainly why Bluesky is more appealing to the average person than Mastodon. Maybe Mastodon users could take notes and improve their platform instead of grandstanding in moments like these.
Just because an account got verified doesn’t mean Bluesky agrees with them
Who the fuck cares if “they” agree with them or not.
ICE is a fascist appendage and should not be allowed on any “public discourse” platform.
It means that a little more than it means they disagree with them.
ICE are masked jackboot thugs illegally deployed to our streets by a psychopathic rapist to punish people who don’t vote for him. If there is ever a time to resist tyranny….
“Welcome. Let’s see what you have to say” is not an appropriate reaction to their presence.
Yes it does. It means they are okay enough with them to not ban them.
Surely there are some things that warrant a ban on bluesky. There’s some sort of line beyond which you are not welcome. We can infer from this verification that ice is on the safe side of the line.
I’m sure there’s at least one marxist that’s verified on bsky, does that mean jack dorsey is a communist?
It would mean that communism is acceptable to him. What’s tripping you up here?
So does that mean Dorsey is a nazbol since he agrees with both communists and fascists? There are neoliberals on bluesky as well, how does that affect our triangulation of his beliefs? I’m not saying you have to agree with how the company moderates its platform, but clearly as far as bluesky is concerned allowing someone to use the platform is not an endorsement of their views. It can’t be, because they allow people with diametrically opposing ideologies to use their platform.
Allowing them on the platform doesn’t mean a full endorsement of the belief. It means that he (or whoever makes the decision) finds the belief acceptable enough to platform.
There is likely some line which is too far, and not allowed on the platform. Perhaps “eating live babies”? “Kicking puppies”? Something that is so unacceptable, it would not be allowed. This argument is that ICE and Nazi stuff belongs on the far side. That as a platform owner, you can say “that’s not allowed here”.
Allowing one person to say “I think the NY Yankees are the best” and another to say “I think the NY mets are the best” on your platform (eg: website, newspaper, bulletin board) doesn’t mean that you personally believe both. But if you let someone post “I think white people are best” and just leave that up, that’s saying that’s an acceptable message to say. Just harmless like talking about baseball.
This argument is some positions, like what ICE is doing, is outside the range of acceptable. The platform (a website in this case) should say they have to take that elsewhere.
I have zero disagreements with this comment. My read of the top level comment was pretty literal, which is a tendency I have that gets me into trouble sometimes.
Just a quick side-note: Dorsey is no longer in charge of Bluesky
Jay Graber is
clearly my commitment to showing my entire ass online is easy for me to stick to
Narrator: in fact they did agree with them, for the money was green and did flow and in the end that was all that mattered to them
Mastodon was always the only real choice
Bsky users are mad for saying the truth. They’ll find out soon enough when it gets bought by some billionaire. Then, after leaving twitter and bluesky, they go onto birdpoo or something and tell themselves “this time will be surely different!”.
Its getting harder and harder to find a bar not full of Nazis
If you think about it, the USA is a Nazi bar.
It’s not though
There are Nazis in America and rather than leaving the “bar”, Americans stick around.
Yeah, you’re right. Maybe we can go door to door and ask some questions to verify who is and who isn’t a Nazi. Then, once satisfied, we can group them into camps for easier management - away from common society.
Does that sound good so far?
Yes, there are Nazis all over the world. That wasn’t your initial point. You said that America is being filled up with Nazis. I dont like MAGA not Nazis, but I do have the cognition needed to understand that MAGA and Nazis aren’t the general population in America. I don’t know why you have the need to spread this fear and lies.
You said that America is being filled up with Nazis.
No I didn’t.
Host your own, connect with others that you like, block those you don’t, filter your own bubble, live with the consequences.
ICE could easily make an account on Mastodon, would they get pissed if that happened too?
They could, however…
Mastodon is made of lots of instances, nobody wants to be the instance with ICE on it. If they make their own instance or the government makes their own, they can be defederated by whatever instances wish to.
That’s the difference, you can kick Ice out of your federated servers. You can’t do that with bsky.
i mean ICE can make their own instance,but most fediverse instances will most likely defederate.
Bluesky is made of lots of instances as well. More people should move off bsky.social.
Check myatproto.social, bsky.global and https://atprotify.me/
In theory yes. In practice? Say ice gets on the big main instance (like 90% of the users does anyway, would be my guess). The admins on this big main instance will allow the ice account to exist. Now what? Everyone defed with the big main instance? It will blow up the entire fediverse or nothing will happen and the last 10% will sit in their small fedi silos being tankies and talk about how America is a pedo nazi state (sorry about that last rant but jesus christ everything turns political on Lemmy from the first comment on nearly every post).
So, not aligning with ICE = tankie? Alrighty!
Sorry if my comment came off like that. No, what I meant is that my experience with the comment sections on Lemmy generally is battle of who is a tankie, nazi, corrupt, pedos. Probably overgeneralization. And that the fediverse is so fragile that defeding with the biggest instances will end in Lemmy will die. I hope that I’m wrong.
Individuals could still block them, no?
yes
This is such a virtue signalling to me… “Oh no, instance XYZ has account PQR on it, for shame!” - well, you’re still using the app, the platform, you’re still seeing the content. Unless you block them, which you can also do on TT/BSky.
It’s just weird to me.
This comment is such virtue signalling to me “oh no, I don’t understand how federation works and so I’ll invent a strawman argument so I can pretend to be clever, for shame!” - well, you’re still not understanding the app, the platform, you’re still inventing the strawman. Unless you bother to research even slightly them, which you can also do on the internet.
It’s just weird to me.
Unless you bother to research even slightly them, which you can also do on the internet.
Right, so you just don’t want Fediverse to ever replace things like Reddit or Twitter? Remain within a margin of error in their user count? Got it. My bad for assuming we, the early adopters, were trying to get this thing off the ground and become an actual threat to the capitalist pigs.
Big difference here, admins can ban them, for everyone
Ye, ye, nothing says “freedom of speech” as much as collective punishment!
Especially now, with Fediverse being barely understood by its own users and those outside the bubble having no clue what any of that means. People signing up to random servers just to be able to get off of Reddit getting slapped with an instance ban will surely boost Fediverse numbers!
Search for this term “paradox of tolerance”, you’ll thank me
Paradox of tolerance doesn’t include collective punishment, mate. Especially considering the
.worldand.mlinstances are the largest ones, to the point where they’re listed on the Wiki article for Lemmy.Just imagine - you seeing that Reddit is going to shit, wanting to change to something better, looking up Lemmy, seeing that one of these two instances being the largest, joining, and immediately being called a Nazi, or some such bullshit by an elitist prick.
You know we’re talking about ICE, right? the literal evil paramilitary squad of a crumbling empire. The ones who kidnap children, the ones who break into homes and disappear people.
I could understand your being pissed off if it was some fucker getting cancelled for something unimportant.
But people died, people died. This ain’t the same thing.
And no, it literally does. You don’t want to turn into a nazi bar, you don’t let Nazis in. If the owners let Nazis in, you don’t go to the bar and you tell every other fucker to do the same.
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Mastodon can have instancewide ban, I am pretty sure any instance which allowed ICE would get the whole instance banned, and with it all the users leaving to any other one
I could never get used to that sort of app. Be it Twitter, bsky, or even mastodon. If I follow people, my feed gets so much content that I consider spam.
Say, there is a person that is awesome and occasionally posts interesting things. But also posts random spammy stuff, like “just took a shower. I feel so clean!”. Why am I wasting my time reading that sort of content?? I think there are 0 people in the world from which I want to read 100% of their content. Maybe very very very few. So, it doesn’t make much sense to follow people, and then waste hours scrolling content about which I don’t care.
I could follow tags, but they still get so much spam and so I still have to scroll and scroll…
It is just not for me.
I hate Twitter style platforms. I truly don’t get it. I can see how it makes people addicted to the endless scroll and fomo though.
Hasn’t these microblog services not just become an outlet for famous people i.e. actors, singers, models, politicians, influencers etc. and even government to post stuff? In some countries even the police use these platforms to communicate to the public even before using other outlets.
You can put your follows onto lists you can group by category on mastodon. My feed is literally my own posts and Technology Connections. If I want to see anyone else I follow I have to manually visit the lists.
I do the same on Lemmy. Smaller comms I’ll subscribe to, but busy ones (esp meme ones) I just add to favourites so I can check them manually and I don’t have an everlasting feed.
I think it’s the whole parasocial relationship thing, where you think you’re close friends with someone who doesn’t know your name.
It’s useful for them to have a presence because it helps drum up anger at them. Did you see the shit on twitter where the official twitter of DSHS posted a pic of a tropical paradise with the caption America after 100 million deportations? Notably nobody believes there are 100M undocumented immigrants or even 100M immigrants period. 100M is the number of non-white people in America.
They literally said America will be great after we implement the final solution to the brown people problem. Hard to beat them calling themselves nazis. I say let them speak. Let people hear their hate so nobody has any illusions about who we are up against.
Does it not just let people redirect rage which could be real-world action into mean internet comments?
I’m not convinced this is so I think it takes so little to make a comment I don’t think one can equate one to the other
You mean Jack Dorsey? He left in 2024 and deleted his account. He still gave Trump and Musk a platform, though so I have no doubt he would have approved this if he still was with Bluesky today.
odd that their username is
@icegov.bsky.socialinstead of@ice.gov… i guess nobody on their social media team knows how to configure a DNS record or create a.well-knowntextfile.Still, they could just put a file containing a string at /.well-known/atproto-did
You clearly have never worked for .gov. Not a technology problem. Process problem.
Has anyone been able to get bluesky to work on something other than their server?
Lots of other servers. https://github.com/mary-ext/atproto-scraping
I seem to remember a mention of something like “blacksky” being a small instance that’s technically on a different server or…however bluesky actually works. It was mentioned briefly in an article titled something to the effect of “The Myth of a Protocol” where they were going over all the ways the bluesky isn’t actually a federated social media form in practice, even if it could technically be described as one.
I don’t know what the back end looks like, but I see accounts hosted from unique servers fairly frequently. My favorite is @yeag.gay
That’s probably not a different server. The ATproto allows users to use their website’s URL as their handle by essentially adding a text file on their website to prove ownership, but their account is still hosted on the Bluesky servers.
That account is not visible on Bluesky now.
I can’t find icegov on Bsky
Must already be on a moderation list I’m subscribed to
EDIT: Yep. It is.
All to further the regimes’ propaganda.
It should say fediverse, not mastodon. Other than that, yeah, expecting a billionaire to suddenly care about people is a fool’s errand
Genuinely, what billionaire? Who are you referring to?
Bluesky’s CEO is Jay Graber who also owns 40% of the company, the largest ownership share. She has a net worth of $5million.
So again, who is this ”billionaire” that you and everyone else in the comments is referring to?
Lots of people think Jack Dorsey owns Bluesky
