Californian here.
There’s really no possible way I’ll ever have any sort of faith in my country again. I won’t go out of my way to help it. I’ll always default to assuming it’s a bad actor and that I need to protect myself from it. From here on out I’m a Californian, not an American.
Orange dipshit will die. Sooner than later. But the country will still be full of irredeemably stupid assholes. I don’t feel any allegiance to that. It only serves to make me feel nauseous.
This is why we will never trust you guys again up here in Canada. Even if Trump and his crew all died tomorrow and somehow the friendliest, nicest person became the president, it wont matter. The relationship is done for.
I realize to most Americans that doesnt mean much but its also how the rest of the world sees you. You guys are toxic. Maybe not as individuals. But as a nation.
Welcome to the sensible German’s approach to “patriotism”. Definitely after WW2, but absolutely relevant again. Our governments have been full of shit ever since, with surprisingly the only non-selfish head of state having been the conservative Mrs. Merkel, whom no one expected it of. She still did spearheaded a government with fucked up social politics, but at least not for personal gain (only for that of her buddies in industry) - which is arguably a low bar to clear. Anyways, the bottomline is: I’m a human first, European second, a lot of things then, and a German only by some piece of paper.
I’ve started to civilly disobey by removing myself from the economy as much as possible.
Cancelling my car insurance felt like a rite of passage.
Yeah America is getting cooked for the next couple decades at least. Even if Trump literally dies tomorrow and his successor backs out no one is trusting them for a long time.
People keep saying that, but is that really true? Because I just don’t see society having any sort of memory.
For fuck sake, the guy is a rapist, pedophile, liar of the highest order. No one cares. Sure, some people are moving away from US services/products, but 1. Not that many people are doing it and 2. Once a non pedophile, war-monger gets back in the presidency, some little bit of marketing and everyone will go back to buying US.
I just don’t think anyone gives a shit. There is like 1 principled person for every 100000 people.
People keep saying that, but is that really true? Because I just don’t see society having any sort of memory.
American society
For fuck sake, the guy is a rapist, pedophile, liar of the highest order. No one cares. Sure, some people are moving away from US services/products, but 1.
Americans didn’t seem to care, the rest of the world was screaming top of our collective lungs
Not that many people are doing it and 2. Once a non pedophile, war-monger gets back in the presidency, some little bit of marketing and everyone will go back to buying US.
Business people are soulless ghouls so that could happen… but the regular people can hold a grudge. Look at how Canada’s population has rejected anything USA even when the Gov was all appeasement and boot licking until this speech… also remember how much Americans seem to hate Russia and Communism even though most can barely point to one in the map or understand the definition of the other in the dictionary
I just don’t think anyone gives a shit. There is like 1 principled person for every 100000 people.
Again, you are judging the world on the template of Muricans
You conflate internal and international politics.
The tide is turning.
Checks and balances have to get a whole lot stronger before anyone trusts the US long term.
We need to deny the United States that marketing, then. Hollywood is failing right now. We need to make sure it doesn’t recover.
This is what is wrong with the world. People have become so numb, that they don’t care.
Firehose of falsehood. Russian propaganda playbook of making people resigned and indifferent.
Unfortunately the damage is done. Nations that were asleep at the wheel so to speak and just complacent with the world order arangement have woken up to the danger and risk of doing that. Europe is not going to rely on the US for security anymore no matter who is in charge.
There will be agreements and treaties and shit like that, but our global power is waining (as will the dollar).
It’s not just that, I meant more from an international geopolitics POV.
Countries are also for example getting rid of US dollar in favour of gold and silver, or investing in non-US solutions or income streams for many problems technical, agricultural, medical etc because the US might tariff them for no fricking reason. People are no longer looking as much to US as a place where they can settle with their families long term, or a place to conduct research because a large population is brainwashed into being anti-science and anti-immigrant.
Once a non pedophile, war-monger gets back in the presidency, some little bit of marketing and everyone will go back to buying US.
It remains to be seen if you’ll ever have free elections again. You might become a dictatorship well before then.
rapist, pedophile
I would like this to be true (which is fucked up when you think about it), but do we actually have hard evidence or is this still just speculation? Sure, a lot of information indicates that Trump & co has been involved in sexual abuse with Epstein. Not trying to be a troll or bait, but we need to base our claims on facts and evidence or else we will become just like Trump & co - liars and conspirators.
Well, he was found civilly liable for rape, so I’d say that one is settled. As for pedophilia, we have a lot of circumstantial evidence, and he’s literally blocking the release of the hard evidence, so I’d say most reasonable people can come to that conclusion.
He is an adjudicated rapist.
As for the pedophilia, his various comments over the years sexualizing minors (including his own daughter), eyewitness accounts of him entering teen pageant dressing rooms unannounced, his close friendship with Epstein, and his general unwillingness to cooperate with releasing unredacted versions of the files are just about all the evidence you need to have a reasonable suspicion that he is involved with the trafficking or rape of children. Unfortunately we probably won’t know the whole truth until after he leaves office or dies because we live in a clown country where the chief executive is immune to consequences.
People forget really fast.
Do they, really?
Remember how noone says “it was just Hitler and his thugs”, no, the world correctly identifies deeply rooted problems within the German mindset and German society of the time as major contributing factors to what ultimately led to the catastrophe we know as WWII and the Holocaust. Militarism, blind obedience before orders and oaths, blaming others.
Even today, Germans are very often confronted with their Nazi past, usually by Americans who think their sense of humor is superior when they crack a dumb Nazi joke (I would like to get a Euro every time I read “I did nazi this coming” on the internet).
No, people do NOT forget. And they don’t care who you are - a perpetrator or someone who was opposed to what happened and apologized for their country. They don’t even care if you knew.
“I didn’t vote for this” is fast becoming the new “I didn’t know anything about it”.
I’m German, so take it from me - sorry, Americans, I wish it was different, but the world will not distinguish what you think about what happened, they will only see an American. People are simple and will always blame the collective.
My granddad was shot by the Wehrmacht for defection, but the world will always just see the Nazi soldier.
And we also see your fighter jet flyovers at the super bowl, the glorification of your military, the gun cult, the lack of social laws and how every single person in America has to fend for themselves. This lack of empathy is a deeply rooted problem in the American mindset and I view it as a contributing factor that enabled Trump.
That’s because its something that is taught to every generation on purpose in pretty much every school system around the world. Most stuff is not something you learn in school, while it is alot.
Those Epstein files must be absolutely fucking insane for Donny.
It’s not just insane for him… pretty much all of the political power of the Middle East is also in those files. It has a reach that goes beyond borders of the US so they’re actually scared about what will happen when Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, Muhammad bin Nayef, Netanyahu, etc all show up in pictures and financial records.
It’s the entire worlds power more likely.
Ya, you’re probably right
The orange thing must’ve raped loads of children to go to these lengths to distract from it all.
The thing is, in the current US i don’t see him being affected by it no matter how horrific the contents are
Donald Trump is America’s Jimmy Savile.
…except Epstein files are the distraction.
Maybe the Epstein files were the friends we made along the way.
so hot they’re literally on fire right now.
Some of these comments are awful. Apparently, if we all aren’t wrapping ourselves and children with explosives and becoming Jihadists overnight, we’re not doing enough.
This is a class war. The rich have taken over all the checks and balances in our system to where they can break every rule and comfortably get away with it; all the while getting richer and us poorer. We’re powerless and spread too thin geographically to do anything meaningful. Maybe we do need to get that radical, but I really hope it doesn’t ever need to get to that point.
Here are concrete steps we can take to combat this (the titles below expand if you click them).
Learn First Aid! ⛑️
The future us likely to be violent, and It extremely important to have the skills to be able to keep yourself and others alive if they get hurt. You can never have too many medics.
Tacticool Girlfriend provides a great introduction to building a personal first aid kit, called an IFAK, which can deal with things like bullet wounds and other serious bleeding wounds. I also want to emphasize her recommendation of only buying medical gear from reputable sources (not Amazon!), such as North American Rescue to avoid fakes that could cost you your life.
But you’ll need to learn how to use that equipment, too. The best resource for that is to take a local Stop The Bleed class, which are pretty widely available in most places. They may cost a small fee, but can also sometimes be free. Alternatively, if you cannot access a local class, this video by PrepMedic will give you a solid understanding of how to use Tourniquets and Gauze for wound packing.
Injuries are less harmful if they are tended to early. Learning first aid can help conserve resources when healthcare becomes unaffordable. Having several medics in case of harm by police is an extremely powerful morale booster during a protest that may become a police riot. When you become comfortable with the basics of first aid, riot medicine is the next suggested step.
Establish or join local Mutual Aid networks ✊
If you haven’t already, get to know your neighbors. Mutual aid is a willingness to support and grow your community. This can include informal networks through friends, tenant/renter organizations, solidarity groups, and industrial unions.
These are groups using direct action to solve each other’s problems. Building strong communities makes it difficult for fascism to take root. The actions of the government are going to hit every community hard, and the ones who build trust in each other and work together are most likely to survive. We’ve been building a list of resources in !inperson@slrpnk.net to help you on your way. Also check out this handy guide to find existing groups in your area.
This isn’t only for your own community protection. Your ability to organize today will change the political landscape tomorrow. When revolution occurs, the social organizations that show the greatest resilience through the regime are the ones typically calling the shots when the dust settles. When it comes to elections, get out the vote drives are useless if most of the voters are fascists. At some point, you have to do grassroots political education if you don’t want fascist candidates winning elections. Mutual aid networks are excellent forums not only for teaching each other good political ideas, but demonstrating them in practice.
Join a Union and Prepare for a General Strike! 💪
The most effective non-violent action we can take is preparing and organizing for a General Strike.
The country would be brought to its knees if suddenly deprived of profit and labor. That tactic was extremely effective in Chile in 2019, and had they not fallen for the trick of liberal reform, they would’ve had a successful revolution on their hands with virtually no bloodshed.
If you aren’t in a union (or even if you are, it’s worth dual-carding), consider joining the IWW to unionize your workplace (bonus: you’ll get higher wages, better benefits, and more time off if you succeed!) to strengthen a general strike if we manage to enact one, as most unions have a strike fund that can supplement your income during a general strike to make it more financially bearable (you should also save as much money as you can reasonably do, so it can also be used to keep yourself afloat during a strike).
And for our international friends, you should join one as well, as fascism is gaining momentum globally. If your country isn’t listed below, just contact the IWW directly in the link above, and they’ll help you set up a new local branch.
Adopt Security Culture and Digital Camouflage 🛡️
Sometimes benign seeming efforts can turn into unexpected personal data collecting traps. Like an obscure website for exchanging contact info with other students turning into a global ad-tech surveillance network (Facebook), or innocent seeming online personality tests being use to harvest character profiles. Even Etsy, Reddit, Tinder, and Duolingo are feeding information to US Government Agencies like ICE.
Security culture is commonly used to describe the general awareness of such potential traps and how it can affect groups or entire communities. This goes beyond mere individual privacy efforts, as without joint efforts these often fail to work.
Especially in activist circles, security culture is paramount. For opsec reasons not everyone in the group might be aware of what clandestine efforts others are involved in, but with a general security culture many potential data leaks can be avoided.
Movements are made by the volume of their participants, and the easier and less dangerous it is to participate, the more people will get involved. As more people get involved, individual involvement becomes even less dangerous, creating a virtuous cycle.
We’ll start it off with some General Advice:
- Mentally wall off personal uniquely identifying info from your online presence, actively build a habit of opsec so that withholding information is your default mental state
- Be careful about who you meet online
- Use different, unrelated usernames, passwords & emails for every account. And try not to connect to those accounts with your real IP address (use Tor or a VPN)
- Be mindful that anything done online leaves a trail
- agents provocateurs may seek to find patsies willing to perform an ill-advised illegal activity in order to legitimize police repression. If someone is trying to pressure you, especially if you don’t have a long and proven history with them, be extremely wary.
For a full guide on what encrypted communications platforms to use, and how to stay off the radar, read the Digital Camouflage section within the Monthly Meta post here (you’ll need to scroll down. I’d add it here, but it won’t fit in this comment).
Nobody is blaming you for what Trump is doing. Nobody is asking you to become terrorists and this hyperbole is extremely unhelpful. We are blaming you for the fact that we’re not seeing protests every day that make the BLM protests seem like small gatherings. You guys are way past the point of being able to hope. Do something today. This is your country, so it’s your responsibility.
We are blaming you for the fact that we’re not seeing protests every day…
This is just not possible and the rich are banking on that. It would have to become much much worse before people will risk their own employment, access to medical benefits, and personal security so that we can march.
It’s easy to suggest those things but in reality it’s just not going to happen.
It’s easy to suggest those things but in reality it’s just not going to happen.
It’s even easier to make excuses for not doing it.
Some of these comments are awful. Apparently, if we all aren’t wrapping ourselves and children with explosives and becoming Jihadists overnight, we’re not doing enough.
LOL right… maybe just stop the endless excuses and do something, anything… stop consuming, hold a march on a weekday, write to your corrupt Senator or House Rep weekly
The real problem here is that you have given the world Chlamydia but want to sit there pretending it is not your fault and any effort on your part is just asking too much
Agreed
Unfortunately I’m thinking this means they have some kind of info that a credible attack is imminent. Fuck.
Foreigner here. I know you civilians don’t control the government anymore & many of us see your hands are tied, but if Americans really want to stop wars, then stop enlisting in any branch of your military except the coast guard. Every other branch is primarily used for invasion. If you’ve already enrolled/are trapped by the military, try to become a conscientious objector.
And FFS, arm yourselves (civilians) to the teeth. The tyrannical government your Founding Fathers envisioned has arrived.
The problem with this is that the military is the only path out of poverty that provides socialized healthcare and paid educational benefits for large portions of our population. I think people outside of the USA don’t understand how the lack of worker protections, healthcare, debt based education and exploding homelessness crisis keeps Americans in bondage
If I miss a week of work I’m homeless. There’s some people a single day can bring them down. They precariously positioned us here so by the time we’ll do anything about it it’ll be too late as they sweep us over the edge.
A lot of us are armed. But you know that orange turd would order the military to bomb complete cities. We would be taking on the world’s most powerful military.
But. I do agree with you. That what it’s going to take. We just need to organize.
A lot of us are armed. But you know that orange turd would order the military to bomb complete cities. We would be taking on the world’s most powerful military.
Yes, you have made grave mistakes for many years that led you to this very deep hole… now they climb back is not going to be a walk in the park but either you do it or die in the hole
Having only people who are willing to do atrocities in the military is not going to magically make it better lmfao, nor will it stop it
Each of the branches have long had many global peacetime missions, including humanitarian. They don’t offset the offensive nature of a deployed force, but it can be a good thing to have for delivering defense and aid.
The problem isn’t the enlisted. It is also not limited to the officers. The problem, at present, is primarily the civilian leadership being absolutely unprofessional, unethical, and self-centered.
I’m so tired of these “Ackchyually” excuses, pretending to be smart yet failing to see you are still pointing the finger at your collective selves
Those “civilian leadership being absolutely unprofessional, unethical, and self-centered” were appointed by the regime of the Orange Pedophile whom the American people voted for a second term in office… the vast majority of Americans either voted for this or could not be bothered opposing it with a simple vote they could have mailed in
I’m not “pretending to be smart”, at least not intending to do so. I’m just saying exactly what I said. The military branches all have some non-offensive parts of their mission. That’s just true. Airlift for aid delivery has traditionally been part of the mission, for example. I was also careful not to exonerate them for missions that cause harm or for violation of LOAC or UCMJ. They should know better.
I said the enlisted aren’t the primary problem. Maybe you think they pick and choose their missions, but they simply don’t. As far as voters… yeah many of us are pissed too. What do you want me to do? I vote, I try to persuade others to, try to do my part to keep the electorate informed, try to feed my family, etc. Are you asking us to build some fifth column or some such? That sounds great, but many have a lot of context that informs their decisions.
Let me ask you this. I believe this is true but let’s pretend it’s just a hypothetical scenario:
Democracy in the USA is over, no more elections, everyone lives under martial law and your precious enlisted are your direct oppressors now.
What are you willing to sacrifice to return your country to Democracy? your life? an hour of watching Netflix?
Let me remind you that you ARE in this scenario and the longer you wait, the harder it will be
I’m an immigrant, living in Europe, taking care of a few people that need me. I’m also a veteran with prosthetic discs in my back. Be specific; what do you suggest?
I should also add, to answer your question. I would absolutely lay down my life for the cause, but unless I can see a direct line from that to success, there is still a big, complex risk benefit equation I’m working on.
Since you already left America, I guess you did see the writing on the wall long ago (or maybe just got lucky)
Thinking you were in the USA, I was hoping you’d stop consuming as much as possible and start organizing marches… not on weekends to minimize disruption, on weekdays and preferably during peak hours so they can be noticed (and yes that can be done in whatever little town or big city people live, no need to pretend only marching in DC works)
It’s behind a paywall and I’m not giving Bloomberg money
Yea fuck bloomburg
Can Trump just… not? When is the grim reaper coming for him? PLEASE I hope every night he dies the next day (legally and naturally).
Trump is a symptom, not the cause.
100% but he does have a magical hold on so many idiots. The conservative machine knows this is a once in a generation occasion so they’re trying to accomplish everything before he’s gone. Once he’s gone, Vance won’t be able to control that rabid base as well.
It’ll still be a nightmare I’m sure, but not as bad.
He’s a fetish or a lightning rod, without him there’s a solid chance the movement loses cohesive flow. Its far easier to kick a concussed coyote by itself than a pack of the things.
Hoping the problem just resolves itself and doing nothing will, well, so nothing.
“We’ve tried nothing and we’re all out of options!!!”
I seriously cannot picture this happening. More of Trump’s dementia addled Twitter rambling. Even the puppets pulling his strings wouldn’t want this.
I mean, crazier shit has happened, but I see the US going full Handmaid’s Tale long before I see them invading a self-governed nation full of almost exclusively white people.
My money would be on Russia making that play before the US.
Even the puppets pulling his strings wouldn’t want this.
One of those string-pullers is Stephen Miller, who is obviously mentally deranged and maybe even sub-human. A living embodiment of all the cringey super-villain speeches made by incels since the millenium.
He absolutely wants war and suffering.
It won’t happen, it was never going to happen, but Trump will throw such shit-fits they’ll basically give him the equivalent of what he’s asking for so he shuts up. See also the Nobel Peace Prize he strongarmed. It wasn’t technically taken by force but it’s in his hands now, innit.
It’s so bizarre seeing people capitulate to toddler tantrums. We’re all being held hostage by an ipad kid.
How exactly does one prepare for invasion?
There are a lot of ways to prepare for an invasion. They range from the personal (stock up on food, find a safe place) to the societal (arm yourselves, prepare defenses, organize militia or resistance cells).
Nobody is denying the US would flatten Greenland but they can make governing the people impossible. Thats the point of resistance.
Arm the polar bears.
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In Greenland specifically, it means staring wistfully out at the ice and ocean and considering your life choices.
Whatever you do, do NOT accept a payment to leave. This is YOUR land, YOUR country, YOUR inheritance in this world
Plus, you know, you’re dealing with a professional scammer. I guarantee you that you will never see a dime if you accept and leave
Just fucking sad.
Just fucking sad
Its a lot worse than that, its world war 3
Good thing Genocide Joe was stopped
If the usa was gonna come crashing down, the earlier the better
Maybe the alien invasion from outer space we were expecting since Independence day. was just the Americans using either their space force toys or the solar warden fleet to take over the world?
Alien abductions always seemed like fascist black bagging to me.
If the U.S. pulls out of NATO, losing Greenland will be the least of Europe’s worries.
It will become obvious at least two weeks before it happens, since we’d need to move aircraft carriers, etc. there. Also, they’d be fools to resist.
No, I’m not supporting this at all, I’m just stating facts.
The US economy would collapse
