• @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml
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    2 years ago

    Any bird who lives primarily in the water is dumb as shit. They have unlimited protection above and around them, so they have zero adaptive pressure to put anything into their intelligence. Land birds have a lot to worry about so their brains are approaching human levels of intellect.

    • JJROKCZ
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      62 years ago

      A land bird flew into my window so hard I was worried it died this morning. This happens once a month to my knowledge and I don’t spend long in my bedroom outside sleeping. Land birds aren’t smart outside of a few select species lol

      • Marxism-Fennekinism
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        In all seriousness that’s more of a sensory limitation than an intelligence limitation. IIRC birds’ eyes work differently from mammals and they can’t see glass pretty much at all.

        • JJROKCZ
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          02 years ago

          Yea I know, more fun to just imagine they’re dumb though

        • That just gives them a target. They can’t see the window. This is a real problem in some cities. AFAIK no one has found a real solution other than frosting the windows, but then humans can’t see through the windows and get irritated.

          • @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml
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            -22 years ago

            It’s funny, I went to visit a place and the person who lived there was starting to get their life in order, so they cleaned the window. I knew this because while I was there I heard a THUD and there was a giant streak of bird shit trailing down the window from the impact point.

      • setVeryLoud(true);
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        22 years ago

        Funny story, never hit a bird with my car in Quebec, until I drove into Manitoba, where I proceeded to wack 3 in 2 days.

        Birds seem to be stupid by region.

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            I agree, but not to go on a road trip to Manitoba :P

            I actually did the math, and for how loaded the car was and how many people we brought, it was both cheaper and more eco-friendly to take a car that gets 42 MPG on that road trip than take a plane to Winnipeg.

      • @oldGregg@lemm.ee
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        12 years ago

        A land bird flew into my window so hard I was worried it died this morning. This happens once a month

        The same bird???

      • @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml
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        02 years ago

        That’s less them being stupid and more their eyes are on the side of their head so they can’t see directly in front of them.

    • @BigNote@lemm.ee
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      62 years ago

      Not true at all. There’s tons of adaptive pressure. If there weren’t, we wouldn’t see the thousands of pelagic and shorebird species that we do. But even if what you say about the threat from predation were true --its not-- there would still be adaptive pressure from differential reproduction rates and access to nutrients.

      • @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml
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        Which is why you see ducks with all their spec points into r—ing and not getting r–ed. Yes they’re adapting but not to the environment.

  • @FUCKRedditMods@lemm.ee
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    I’m sure there’s some seagull out there with a 1000-yard stare who went through the most fucked up shit of his life in the 90’s and still remembers it like it was yesterday. He hangs out down by the bars and drinks discarded alcohol out of the trash, trying to forget, and then flies around drunk bumping into things.

    The other seagulls look at him and shake their heads with pity “he used to be such a good gull… so full of promise.”

  • Cornes
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    272 years ago

    This reminds me of a talk I had with my dad, an equine veterinarian for 40 years. I’d seen that video of a horse eating a chick online and someone in the comments explained that horses are naturally opportunistic eaters and that’s why it took the chance to munch it down. I confidently told him this later on and he said, ‘nah, they’re just stupid’.

    • @Gamey@feddit.de
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      52 years ago

      Or crows, they reach roughly the same age and ravens can turn fucking 80 in captivity, not sure how long they live in the wild tho!

  • @Donjuanme@lemmy.world
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    212 years ago

    I don’t know that I’d trust an ornathologist to know how the brain chemistry works. But I do trust that they’re dumb. Lacking memory isn’t predictive of being dumb, but there’s probably some correlation. Maybe seagulls have perfect memory but just want to flip human observers the bird.

    • @IMongoose@lemmy.world
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      222 years ago

      Ornithologists do actual science, they aren’t just bird watchers. An ornithologist is pretty much the only one I would trust about this because they are the ones studying the birds.

    • @bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
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      22 years ago

      Maybe seagulls have perfect memory but just want to flip human observers the bird.

      My spirit animal

  • They have enough thought process to play. Watch them fly. They play in the thermals. Do all manner of aerobatics. They know how to steal from humans. That’s not “dumb”.

  • @csm10495@sh.itjust.works
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    182 years ago

    They wait for cruise ships to leave to grab fish trying to swim away. They’re probably smarter than most people.

    • TWeaK
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      172 years ago

      Just because an animal is territorial and good at killing does not mean it’s smart.

      • @webghost0101@sopuli.xyz
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        32 years ago

        This entire argument is a joke. They are birds, not even mammals, what can apes know about bird-logic? Einstein said you cant judge a fish for how well it can climb a tree but our bias for human smarts remains. Judge a seagull in the context of a seagull and the result will be the same as for every single other species, some are smarter/dumber then others, all have their own strengths and weaknesses. A smart seagull is the one most consistently successful and healthy as a seagull.

    • @BigNote@lemm.ee
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      12 years ago

      They’re probably just “dumb” in comparison to corvids and parrots and the like.

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    2 years ago

    “The greatest trick the devil ever played was making man believe he doesn’t exist”

    Those seagulls remember… and they’ll have their revenge for that hot dog bun you scared them off in 04’. tick tok

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    72 years ago

    Seagulls play dumber than they are, ever since Johnathan Livingston