I have read many conflicting things, like always. Just wondering if there’s a safe way to use several DE’s on one distro without messing up my damn computer lol I’ve tried it several times and it always messed things up. I’m currently brand new to fedora workstation 38 too btw. Thanks alot
There’s no one “proper” way. Running multiple DEs shouldn’t break anything, but each DE comes with it’s own set of dependencies and other software, so it does add clutter. There will also be considerable overlap with config files, so if you change a setting in one DE, it could change settings when using another DE.
Having a separate user account per DE will prevent most of the configuration overlap, but it doesn’t solve the abundance of packages you’ll have installed from having multiple DEs. I don’t think there’s a great “clean” way to do it.
One thing I love about Linux though, is how relatively flexible the user home directory is. When moving to a new distro or PC, usually everything you need to copy over is within your home directory. For what you’re trying to do, I’d consider throwing /home on a separate partition. That way, you can try out multiple DEs and distros, without blowing away your home folder. And you’d be surprised at how small your root partition can be, the vast majority of your storage should likely be reserved for /home. The Steam Deck, for example, uses a root partition that is only 5 gb. On a typical Linux system, I’ve found 64 gb to be plenty for root.
When switching distros and/or DEs, consider cleaning out various config files in your home folder. Almost all of them will be hidden files that have a filename that begins with a period. I only keep specific config files for programs I want to retain data for, like Google Chrome (.config/google-chrome), Thunderbird (.thunderbird), and Steam (.local/share/Steam). If you use SSH keys you’ll want to keep your .ssh folder too. But deleting all other config files will give you a pretty clean start when changing DEs.
I’m an ultra-noob, so those who know more please correct me.
I’m playing with Linux VMs and recently I installed Debian to check it out. When it asked what DE I wanted, I chose all of them :).
The only hard conflict (AFAIK) is the [compontent / feature responsible for loging in] (I don’t know the technical term). Because each DE comes with a different one, you need to choose one.
What I found very confusing in practice is that I could see some DE apps and configuration settings from other DEs. So, unless you know what belongs to what, it’s a bit of a mess (in my VERY limited experience).
Destop Manager (DM).
There a couple of them. Gnome has it’s preferred, I’d risk KDE has its own (was never a user of KDE), there is LightDM, etc.
And they tend to dislike eachother
LightDM says it’s a Display Manager.
I know that naming is hard but, oh my…, terms are so confusing when you’re starting:
- Desktop Environment
- Windows Manager
- Desktop Manager
- Display Manager
- Tiling Window Manager
- Compositing Window Manager
… I’m still not sure which ones are synonyms, sub categories or independent components :/.
Always messed those up but I’m not ashamed.
I’ve used Linux for about a decade and I still mix them up sometimes if I’m not actively working with them
I think usually if you use 1 DE per user, it works out fine.
that’s what I heard and that’s what I tried, but gnome is automatically default with new users obviously. Its fine to just install a new desktop right on top of gnome like that? and are there any other factors I need to worry about such as display managers or anything else? thanks
Display managers usually let you choose the DE when you log in.
I BELIEVE DDE runs off lightdm. so theoretically, if I enabled lightdm, should the deepin environment finally work properly???
I am using SDDM (from KDE) for two separate accounts - one for awesome and one for KDE.
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Gnome developers had the genius idea that a session cannot be locked when GDM is not the login manager, so using GDM is basically a requirement for real-world scenarios outside VMs.
Often distributions have some sort of meta package that installs everything related to that desktop, including many applications. Better install the session package and the file manager package and go from there.
I don’t have this issue on Arch Linux with SDDM, Plasma, GNOME, and Xfce.
on Arch Linux
OP uses Fedora.
Aaah. Fedora recommends GDM anyhow I think, even for Plasma. I imagine they might be packaging things differently given how GNOME is the default (and the distro has a default) DM.
I havent tried this out myself by I’ve been told using another user for a DE would work. KDE Plasma is the worst offender for leakage into other DEs, but I love kde’s system applications. Using a window manager or xfce have been fond to run along side kde imo. Mixing gnome forks isn’t a good idea tho
Brings back memories.
My last experiment with that was a few years ago and I thank the creator of debfoster for the help to clean the house up after.
Unless things have changed and you run perhaps a fully containerized system or mannually install just the DE without any bundled SW, you’ll face DE seepage. KDE will throw new programs into the user space that will show on GNOME, getting a windows manager will probably throw conky into the system, Cinnamon will throw a few other things into the pile, and so and so forth.
My personal experience taught me that the system loads those resources for any user to access at will.
If you are looking to evaluate which DE will be the better fit for you, I’d advise trying one by one for at least a week or go for live mediums.
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I haven’t had much issue installing multiple.
The biggest problem I’ve had is if you then want to uninstall one. Usually have to start over.
Something like nixos might be able to handle that much better.
I have kind of messed some things up by installing KDE on my Fedora that already has Gnome. This was almost a year ago, now. I would not advise doing this. It is a bigger hassle than it was worth, and I’m just looking forward to a free moment when I can wipe and clean install.
I’m curious what things were “messed up”. I tend to not install more than one on my machine, but at the very least it seems like it should be a typical usecase for multiple users on the same machine to prefer different DEs when they log in. If that breaks somehow, it sounds like someone has a bug.
Some aspects of theming are messed up, like the spacers on my GTK4 drop menus are just flat gray rectangles (they look like placeholder assets). Also launching some programs after a fresh boot now take an inexplicable long time, but only the first time. So for example, if I reboot and launch Firefox or Nautilus it will take an extra 5-6 seconds. Every subsequent time any slow launching program will be fast so long as one of the slow launching programs has been started.
Finally, not a messed up thing, but there is just needless clutter of stuff in my config files, now, since I’ve got KDE, Gnome, and actually a couple other DE things laying around, now. Mind you, this is all after I’ve already uninstalled KDE.
Edit: I thought about what I wrote and it occurred to me some of that stuff might be because of bad gtk4 config files. So I deleted them and rebooted. The theming is correct again as far as I can tell, but the slow launch stuff persists.
You probably have xdg-desktop-portal-kde installed and enabled. Try installing xdg-desktop-gnome and remove the KDE one and see if it makes a difference in launch times.
Edit: I’d also reboot afterwards
YOU ARE A GENIUS!
Thank you!
xdg-desktop-portal-gnome
was already installed but removingxdg-desktop-portal-kde
did the trick!I’m glad I could help.
Thanks, but how does one utilize or even explore other DEs within a distro without messing things up? is it just not possible or am I going about it wrong?
I’ve seen advice before that creating a new user account and using that to log into multiple DEs is an option.
Tried that but didn’t work. Maybethere’s specific tweaks I have to make first?
That’s a bit vague. What did you try, and what didn’t work?
Your DM should be able to handle multiple DEs just install from command line and pick which DE you want from the DM.
Thanks, I tried that with deepin on fedora and it was a mess. Maybe it’s just that particular environment causing issues.
What dm are you using and what packages did you install?
As far as I know on my main account I’m running xorg but the separate account with deepin does not specify. I think default is Wayland
I tried installing several times per different guides. I’ll do my best to remember
Sudo dnf install “deepin desktop”
Sudo dnf install @deepin-desktop-environment
Sudo dnf group install “deepin desktop”
Probably one more I can’t remember
If you want DEEPIN:
Update your system:
sudo dnf upgrade --refresh
Install it:
sudo dnf group install "Deepin Desktop"
And then after for change reboot your system You can do it from the terminal like:
sudo reboot
If you want GNOME try:
sudo dnf group install “GNOME Desktop Environment”
Although if:
sudo dnf group list hidden -v |grep -i gnome
returns nothing it won’t workIf your using gdm you can select DEs like:
It might be you don’t have the group for deepin so it wouldn’t be useless to try grepping for it.
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