• FreudianCafe@lemmy.ml
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    Afaik Brasil and Argentina situations are unrelated to the oil prices, but their point remains valid for europe

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      brasil makes a lot of their own fuel, so prices have not been climbing as much as in europe. brasil is protesting because the remnant of its democracy is about to end.

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        Europe is sending a lot of money to Ukraine, and after Iran closef hormuz the price of oil started to rise. In order to keep the money flowing to kill kids in arab countries they need to cut costs at home. That makes life in europe worse and expensive, and this is how the crisis in iran is related to europe

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          None of the protests is about oil prices. They all have root consoles long before. See my response to another comment.

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      it’s all connected tho, the increase in the cost of living caused by the energy crisis fuels the fire of these other problems. also your conclusions are weirdly xenophobic, rich spanish nationals are also part of the global bourgeoisie.

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      a big part of the protest is the spike in cost of living, which has spiked due to fuel prices.

      it isn’t 100% on Iran, but they had a part to play.

      that is what happens when you let a rouge terrorist state start wars with US backing only to lose them.

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        What has the fuel price done about cost of living so far? UK here and I haven’t really noticed anything changing. My mortgage continues to get cheaper relative to inflation, electricity has increased by so little it’s also dropped relative to inflation. Not really noticed much change in the price of food either, we still spend less than £30 a week between the 2 of us.

        Almost all of the cost of living is housing with everything else pretty much being pocket change in comparison. Just after I bought house prices appear to have started stagnating which is a bit annoying for the timing of it but should help bring the relative cost down for new buyers if it continues.

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          Literally every single thing that consumers use on a daily basis needs diesel to get to them. Oil goes up, diesel goes up, everything goes up.

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            Sure, but its a tiny fraction of the total cost and diesel has only gone up a little bit. So maybe my oats cost a single penny more now? Oh no, they barely cost anything anyway.

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              tiny fraction of the total cost

              No, it is a large portion of the total cost.

              diesel has only gone up a little bit.

              Wew lad. It was 3.70 one year ago. Now it’s averaging 6.20 in the US. That’s a 60% increase.

              maybe my oats cost a single penny more now?

              My guy, you are in for the worst shock of your life within the next 6 months, lol. You are so blissfully unaware I honestly don’t want to pop that bubble. I hope you have a good week.

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                you are in for the worst shock of your life within the next 6 months,

                Heard that one before. Diesel has only gone up 40% here in the UK. Even if diesel was 100% of the cost (it isn’t), that’s a 40% increase in my oats? I mean realistically I would notice it in the shop and then continue to not care. Still doesn’t really sound like that big of a problem compared to the cost of housing tbh.

                Quick edit: mentioned before about house pricing potentially dropping/stagnating here, is that happening elsewhere or is it still rising uncontrollably? Still short term but I hope it spreads into a longer term trend everywhere as that seems like it would help people a lot.

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                  Right, it’s only a 40% increase in the price of every good that requires transportation

                  Before you factor in corporations taking advantage of the demand to gouge prices, which as surely as the sun rises, they will.

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          Oil has an outsized impact on how inflation is measured, so prices not growing faster than inflation when oil prices are high still leaves lots of room for them to grow rapidly. As well as that, for most people, things going up in price is already a problem whether or not inflation is higher, especially when inflation’s so far above the target rate of 2%. If it was just a short blip of inflation being above 2%, then it wouldn’t be so bad, but because it was really high for a while, lots of people already burned through any buffer they had.

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            Even in absolute terms I don’t really see much difference in things I buy. Mortgage is much more than everything else combined and its a fair bit lower than it was 3 years ago in absolute and relative to inflation value.

            The only stuff I kinda want that is going way up is stuff like GPUs or memory. Which let’s be honest, you can live without just fine.

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      Mexico is interesting because the rebellions there seem much more localized, against local governments, while the federal government remains enormously popular and is seen as not really responsible for the conditions driving the rebellion. That’s my read following from the US, at least.

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        it’s an expected read from anyone outside of the country

        the thing is the federal government is doing everything they can to maintain the current political party power, putting all into propaganda, social programs and big projects betting on oil

        right now they are trying to hush a scandal related to the former President AMLO’s son

        there is corruption at every level and no political party is exempt from it

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            When I say social programs I’m not saying these are bad, I’m saying they are another way to funnel money. Right now there are reports of people being registered as recipients but they don’t even know it.

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          the “scandal” is a whole nothingburger and speculation by media, getting a visa revoked by the US goverment does not mean anything at all, if anything it’s a good thing these days. i dont really give a damn about them but the media circus here is as bad as in the US.

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            having his visa revoked was just one of the things that came up

            idk what to tell you, media will be media, but that does not mean the reports related to those exclusive contracts he got for his friend Amílcar are false

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      and india as well as argentina, and to some degree even spain is neutral, I think they are speaking in a perspective of “we versus the world”, which is a bit nonsensical because the world isnt just the western world (who have been the ones mostly sanctioning Iran in the last decades), and more recently a subset of that western world that is still willing to support USA’s non sensical 3rd (I might be missing one) war in the middle east

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      Yup, the global energy shock from the closure of Hormuz has absolutely nothing to do with the spike in cost of living in Europe. Just like the proxy war in Ukraine hasn’t had any effect on European economy.

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        The issues people protest on all have their roots way before the US began to bomb Iran. And there already have been protests like this in the past about similar issues. Yeah, some prices got way up but still the root cause f the protests isn’t Iran

        In Brazil it’s a concern about democracy if fascist gets into power and in India there it’s also not wanting fascist Modi in power Who’s meddling with democracy In France and Belgium it’s wanting better education In Albania, it’s the protest against corruption and Trump wanting to build hotels and stuff.
        In Spain it’s the housing crisis that sparked the protests but still it’s been an issue long before Trump bombed Iran. What you say is mostly true for Italy, but in conclusion I would say like it’s just Iranian propaganda.