I mostly agree with the sentiment of this video, but it’s highly biased I feel. On a utilitarian level, everything Muta is criticizing about Windows is absolutely valid. But even as a very experienced desktop computer user, as someone who does not have coding experience or any formal education in the technical side of computing, there are parts of Linux that just cause me to get hung up. If you’re someone who likes to customize deeply and change a lot of really small stuff, you run into rocky patches very fast. Now, I agree that almost anything is possible on Linux, but it’s about the amount of effort it sometimes takes.

For the average user, when they want to change some seemingly basic features, things that aren’t in the settings, eventually, one way or another, you have to use commands. You have to use the terminal for something or other. Some dependency, some change that needs a command to activate. And even if all of that is wrong, and you technically CAN change or acquire everything you need without ever opening the terminal, the problem is that a new user is not going to be able to find a simple answer in a few minutes.

Even with the help of AI, it can still take a long time to troubleshoot what may seem like a basic issue. And like it or not, that matters if you’re trying to get people to switch. People, realistically, can’t be expected to always just “shut up and do the research”. Anyone who’s not a techie, or someone with a lot of patience, is going to run out of gas for this troubleshooting very quickly. I wish I had more suggestions about how to actually fix these problems, but I know that for me they are the main reason I can’t permanently switch from Windows at this point. We’re getting closer, but there is a long road still ahead.

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    It’s fine to watch people critique Linux and compare it with Windows, but in my honest opinion, Mutahar is not worth your time.

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      Yeah I mostly agree. It’s been made pretty clear by not only this post but just watching Mutahar’s content in the past that he likes to sound more educated than he is. On many topics, not just Linux and computing. This video just happened to spark some thought for me and I felt like putting it into words. I just didn’t think about people’s perception of the actual content creator because I feel like this could have been a conversation even without referencing the video at all.

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    I can’t help but wonder how those people you speak of use a computer at all tbh, when windows requires troublehooting as well, especially with how much of a buggy mess windows 11 is.

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      It’s not even about which OS is easier to troubleshoot. The case I’m making is that there is progress that is needed to be made on Linux’s part to help people understand it as easily as they do on Windows. Let’s not even pretend that it’s easier to troubleshoot Linux than it is to troubleshoot Windows (I know you’re not specifically saying this but comparing which is easier is something a new user absolutely takes into account). It definitely would be easier if you’ve used Linux for longer, obviously. But for those who haven’t ever tried it, but want to, then do so, have problems and begin troubleshooting, it can feel like a labyrinth and be extremely overwhelming. I’m only trying to convey that despite the progress Linux has made over the years, it is still out of the reach of many people. As I keep saying, people SHOULD take the time to learn. It would be great and beneficial, but a lot people just can’t invest the time.

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        I don’t know if this argument holds, considering people already consider and frequently do move over between macOS and Windows. If they can stomach the transition from Windows to MacOS, they can absolutely stomach Linux.

        A big problem, I think, is that people may not always choose the best DE for them. I’ve yet to end up on the terminal for amything on KDE, while I had a multi-week troubleshooting session on my Mac mini to get a wireguard tunnel to be connected by default, something that’s like, an extremely easy task on Linux.

        To be completely, entirely honest, I’m pretty sure I’ve ended up on the terminal for linux-specific issues FAR less than on Windows. There’s so much less tinkering to do on Linux if all you want is an experience not too alien from what you’re used to, which KDE offers to Windows users.

        The real issue, I think, is that Linux is just a different ideology. There’s people making sure everything works together, but for the most part each component of your desktop experience might be owned by a different team with different responsibilities, and you’re able to change a lot of those things as you please. I had never considered using anything other than windows explorer as a file browser in my 3 decades using Windows, but on Linux it might as well be one of your first 5 decisions. I never liked the Mac UI so I never even considered MacOS, and that was waaaay before I started considering the corporate/closed-garden issues around it. On Linux, Mac Users can go for their look, Windows users cans go for their look, and people looking for a new experience can have the time of their lives going down obscure rabbit holes with tons of very different and functional DEs. These can be the biggest positives, but often look like the biggest negatives of Linux because we’re trained to think computers work only the way Microsoft and Apple want them to work. We’ve been trained to accept a chewed, pre-digested version of the digital world, and sometimes have to be inconvenienced a bit to remember how much more power we have on our hands if we decide to care even a little bit.

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        Well maybe it’s a hot take on my end, but i feel like if you can’t invest some time in learning a new OS then maybe it’s just not a good idea to switch, and that’s ok. Having said that, i’m obviously not opposed to trying to make linux easier to get into.

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    Hoping this is scripted and a joke.

    Dude has zero idea how computers work, and is presenting as a “tech person”?

    Use whatever you want, but don’t be an ignorant asshole and put shit like this out of you have no concept of the topic aslt hand.

    What a dumbass.

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      Don’t know if you’re talking to me or Mutahar, but this is exactly what people can’t stand about some Linux users. It’s why the stereotype of “gatekeeper” Linux users exists. Because instead of engaging with the discussion in any way, you got triggered and decided to yell insults over the internet. That’s pretty fucking sad.

      And to be clear, I don’t like Mutahar much either. He’s very biased and I usually don’t watch his stuff. I was bored and clicked on this video. I also try to make a habit of watching creators I have an aversion to, because I want to avoid confirmation bias. Not trying to present as holier than thou, just being honest.

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        It’s not about “Linux Users”, it’s the fact that the issues described are MIS-identified because the operator who claims to be proficient in technology has zero idea what in the hell they are talking about.

        Knowing how to navigate the Windows OS is like 2% of what a “technology guru” (this guy said it) needs to be fluent in. Windows in 2026 is more irrelevant than it ever has been since 3.1, and this guy is acting like becau6his fluency is in Windows he’s has some knowledge about computers in general.

        He then goes to explain IN DEPTH AND DETAIL how he does not.

        Rag on me all you want, but this is not a Linux person being a gatekeeper or withholding. This is a person with little technical knowledge missing the point and misrepresenting themselves.

        Fuck this guy.

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        I usually don’t watch his stuff.

        And it seems you didn’t watch this video fully either, or you weren’t paying attention. Muta’s an idiot and a tool who routinely masks inability to do anything with drama… Because he’s not very good at any of it.

        He doesn’t dig into the reasons for any of his issues and readily admits that he just wants it done for him “I just want things to work”

        The real problem with this post is you! Coming here casting this as some fundamental problem with Linux and posting it. Why bother?

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          Casting this as some kind of fundamental problem with Linux? Did I say that? I literally said nothing of the sort. Stop putting words in my mouth. I agree with what you said about Muta. Like I keep saying, I don’t usually watch his content, I’m just open minded enough to give any video a chance if it’s a relevant topic, and this one happened to spark some thought for me. You’re literally exemplifying the “gatekeeper” behavior I’m talking about. I don’t think it’s as widespread as some people make it out to be, but when your response to a post that is EXPLICITLY asking to discuss a very common complaint about Linux is to just shift the focus onto the content creator because you don’t like him, you’re not making it easy for new users to feel like this is a community they want to engage with.

          Mutahar’s video is not the crux of what I’m discussing AT ALL. It just so happens that seeing the video reminded me of these criticism which I already had. I could have posted this whole thread without the video and had a nearly identical conversation. The difference is that we wouldn’t have to waste time talking about Muta, when the conversation is about Linux. Which is not a perfect OS. Nor is Windows, or ANY OS. Talking about this stuff is how we try to figure out how to improve them.

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    Well, if you’ve always been a Windows user, I think it’s normal to have trouble with another operating system. You certainly can’t expect to just install it and know how to do everything. You probably learned to use Windows when you were young, when your mind was more flexible, which is why it seems easier to you. I’ve also noticed that many users tend to ignore problems on Windows, while highlighting those on Linux; I think this is because they expect errors on Linux. Linux actually has error handling that Windows can only dream, you can log everything and trace the root cause of the problem. With Windows, often the only option you have is to reboot and hope the problem goes away.

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    Funny, did we see the same video?

    I saw a guy who recently switched to Linux do an “April Fools” as an excuse to complain about Windows more, and explain why he’s sticking with Linux.

    “Even with the help of AI”

    I see you’re just shitposting.

    Muta is a basic dudebro. Is he good at technology? No. Is he a good baseline for “can most people do it?” Almost, yeah. And that’s what his video is actually about if you bothered to watch it.

    Unless you have some Niche webcam or hardware MIDI controller, just about everything is supported out of the box. Unless you wanna dive into Gentoo to start? Its surprisingly simple here.

    For deep customizations? There’s manuals. There’s guides where you can do the advanced Gentoo-stuff in the terminal by just copying-and-pasting without a clue what you’re doing or why.

    The community is something to be proud of - what we’ve built, what we’ve made.

    We’re still working on audio composition type stuff for DJs, but we’ve come a long way. The free stuff you want works better here, and even Photoshop runs great in WINE.

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    I switched to Linux because of Blender and because the program behaves way better on its native OS, so practically speaking if you don’t have any serious reason to switch to it then don’t do it, I know Windows 11 is not very good, no problem go back in windows 10, many people ask about switching on Linux as if they really have to!