Born too late to die in the middle east.
Born too early to die in the middle east.
Born just in time to die in the middle east.American soldiers are scum.
At least 153 girls in the first attack.
The media will hype “the troops” while ignoring the fact that “the troops” are being killed for oil, to make billionaires richer.
it’s worse that that: a sizeable percentage of the troops know that they’re killing innocent people, but doing it anyways because of orders.
some try to make up for it after committing those monstrous acts, but i doubt that’s possible since their voices are just as muted as any leftist.
According to the asswipe Krasnov, the 3 US soldiers that died yesterday were " a great deal for the rest of the world." Fuck him and his illegal war.
First time I open Lemmy and save a post so quickly.
America loves thier soldiers until they have to take care of them
So much this. The same people saying “thank you for your service” are the same people that constantly want to cut veteran services. Sure they care when you’re a tool for their goals, but why can’t you then just instantly become an invisible member of society once you’re done?
Oh, you want more?! Wasn’t service enough for you? How dare you be traumatized by killing people and having bombs nearly blow you up! Maybe you should be a man.
But maybe I’m just too sensitive about this…
There’s no contradiction here. The US military exists to preserve and extend capitalism. Taking care of veterans would be socialist. Being abandoned by the state, as soon as you no longer serve a purpose for generating profit, is the best way to say thank you. It shows that everything you fought for is successful and working better than ever!
Meanwhile, the suckers and loose…err soldiers get the healthcare and support that they deny the average citizen.
Stop soldiering and they take it away.
Sending people off to kill and die so that rich pedos can make more money is not love
I don’t like Veteran’s Day and I’ve been called out for that.
I do respect and appreciate veterans for what they’ve done, but I cannot respect or celebrate the military complex that has thrown people into a meat grinder and then discarded them for decades, which is what that day represents to me.
I cannot support these wars, where people are brainwashed, used, then cast aside, to benefit elites and politicians who will never feel that pain and will literally party when dropping their bombs.
Fuck everything about that.
fuck your war criminals
they are killing people worldwide because they are imperialistic nazis, not because they are afraid of any consequences related to epstein, because there won’t be.
No consequences from the Epstein-class or their puppet politicians, but there could be consequences from people like you and me if we organize a revolution.
that’s a big if
Sure, so let’s start organizing now and make that “if” smaller.
hahah fat chance.
usians are still stuck at “voting for democrats” and “attacking iran is justified”
you’d also have to contend with the fact about a third of the population wants this.
I get what you mean, and no one hates Americans more than I do on some days.
But this isn’t about you or me. If we want a better world for the children that will come after us, the US needs to go. The most assured way of ensuring that happens is Americans causing the empire to implode.
Don’t turn them away, especially now when their role is critical
i wouldn’t disagree with you if the us was anywhere close.
we have to remember trump and his warmongering doesn’t exist in a vacuum, they have expressive popular support.
They don’t exist in a vacuum, but war with Iran isn’t very popular. The US Empire is more and more divided.
the germans had to be stopped by the ussr, and 1945 is still a long way ahead, through a (possibly nuclear) world war.
I’m aware, though I expect the US Empire to go out with a whimper, rather than a bang.
My dude. That’s why we have to organize. No one said it would be easy.
then put your money where your mouth is already instead of making excuses.
I despise anyone who becomes a soldier of their own free will. The moment you enlist, you accept that you could be obliged to kill, and that you will have no control over whether that killing will be justified.
In other words, you accept the possibility that you could become a murderer.
That’s why the US likes to keep a well stocked under class which makes the Army one of the few options to get out of abject poverty.
“I had to join this gang that kills 160 in a girls schools on the first day of our unprovoked war because I really wanted to go to university”
This is what I want to hear in my imaginary court so I can have a laugh while sentencing this fucker to his deserved hanging.
Not true for the USN. They hand you a contract that you sign. You only have to do what is contained in that contract. To change your job they have to get you to sign a new contract. I was never close to combat, and neither would any other Navy Nuke, though they actually left the school for the fleet. I skipped that step. There are tons of non-combat jobs in the US military that will never be anywhere close to combat. Logistics is why our military works.
That being said, it’s worse than you are making it out to be. A lot of the people who signed up for combat roles were looking to kill people before they ever signed the contract.
You join the USN, you help with the logistics, someone you’ve helped in some way or another presses a button somewhere, a cruise missile is fired, obliterates a target and a few bad guys, some civilians die as collateral damage - to me, you’ve helped kill these civilians even though, admittedly, you’ve only played a very minor role. I very much doubt there are any contracts at the USN that 100% exclude that possibility and I’m not giving anyone a benefit of the doubt.
I have a good friend that is a cardiologist in the air force. Joined the military when he got into med school to cover his tuition and the get guaranteed residency. He’s never been deployed over seas, never been in a war area, and never designed a process or item that has led to an indirect killing. An exception could be if he saved someone that went back to kill someone, but that would be true for all doctors military or not, so that’s not a valid comparison.
There are many military jobs that are simple office jobs like accounting. Not everyone of them is linked to battle.
If you think these more mundane jobs indirectly lead to military related casualties, you better start hating on your local grocery store, because odds are they have given supplies to a soldier that eventually indirectly killed someone. Or probably any public service a soldier could use, because indirectly, that may help the soldier kill someone.
Holy reaching Batman. That’s quite a reach from serving in the military doesn’t ackchually serve the military in some cases to your grocery is probably serving the military.
No wonder yankistanis like getting dominated by your government. Keep kissing that boot though and wondering why the government turned fascist, it’s probably the local groceries fault.
Working for the military makes you a war enabler. Best case. You help making it possible for some government asshole to wage war. Worst case, you become a murderer.
So whether you’re in battle or not only decides if you’re a murderer or helping murderers.
None of these possibilities are acceptable. Period.
Paying your taxes makes you a much bigger war enabler than the non combat military. And with taxes, you not only enable your country to go to war. You enable other countries to do so too, as your gov pays for weapons to give them. The fact is, noone is innocent. And the people truely causing the wars for thier own interest just want us to blame each other instead of them. Clearly, you are giving them what they want.
. “Being alive makes you a war enabler. Just fucking kill yourself.”
This guy, apparently
If you read my first comment, I explicitly said “of their own free will”. I do not pay taxes out of my own free will, so your comparison is invalid.
Um… If they really had a choice, the vast majority would not join the military. There are exceptions of course. But most feel they have no other options. Just like technically you don’t have to pay your taxes (you can file a form to have nothing withheld from your paycheck). But it is the best choice if you want to make a living. So still, very much valid.
The grocery’s job doesn’t rely upon the imperial pillaging of other places to make economic sense. “Non combat roles” in the military do. The military doctor’s job is to get the boys back out doing more slaughter. That’s the point. If they didn’t do that they wouldn’t be doing their job. Other doctors, that’s not the point…it could be some distant effect, sure, but for a military doctor it’s direct. Other doctors see patients who are not involved in imperialist slaughter of innocents. Military doctors do not.
This is like Von Braun saying “I was only an SS officer developing military weapons for the science! I wasn’t like…info it, you know, you can’t hold it against me.” Accountants for the Nazis should have quit, and it’s okay to say they’re awful people and complicit in the holocost. Anyone who works for the US military is complicit in the imperialist crimes of that organization. I’m sorry if that’s you or people you love. If it is, you should do something about it.
Absolutely agree.
I happen to be German, by the way. My grandfather was forced into the Wehrmacht, he tried fleeing the battlefield, he got executed.
Anyone who works for the military enables politicians to wage war. And no soldier will ever be able to 100% prove their actions never led to anyone getting hurt.
Soldiers know and accept that and that’s why I despise them.
Your grandfather was very brave ❤️ It’s sad that ordinary people are sometimes forced to choose between bravery and monstrosity. But there it is.
And frankly, us military members are not forced. They can just…have a normal life instead.
Yeah. Why not just lead a normal life.
I wish society would frown upon people choosing to become soldiers like they do upon prostitutes. But instead, all this glorification and militarism makes them think being a soldier is a commendable thing.
In my view, prostitutes should get the medals. They literally make love, not war.
There are tons of contracts in the USN that absolutely guarantee that you will never see anywhere close to combat. All Nukes only serve on Carriers and Subs. Corpsmen (Navy Doctors and nurses) tend the wounded. You KNOW what you are signing up to do before they ever even send you to MEPS for medical testing. The only people that might not have specifically signed up for firing a weapon is whoever launches the missiles that we shoot from our frigates. I don’t know if “Gunner” is still a job, but I would assume it is since the Navy has all the big guns.
I can’t speak to what happens in the fleet. I went to Navy Nuke school, learned to operate power plants, and they gave me a new extremely lucrative contract to stay there and teach other people to operate power plants.
I also cannot speak for The Army, Air Force, or Marines. Though with the first and third, it’s hard to imagine that one wouldn’t know that they are signing up to potentially kill people.
Yeah but the ones that die are “suckers and losers”.
(Quote from Pedolf Shitler)
One of the very few true things he’s said.
even a broken clock is right twice a day
except if it’s an electronic clock
Love Pedolf Shitler that’s great. I was using pedolini and the rise of the turd Reich
No you don’t understand, they are doing it to get into college! /sarcasm
If we had free college tuition and universal healthcare, there would be no one to fight the pedo oligarchs’ wars for them.
Which is why republicans and centrist democrats oppose both free tuition and universal healthcare.
The pedocracy. New term coined.
A tale as old as time. We all need to develop some bone spurs.
No sympathy for willing imperial enforcers.
I understand the message here, but surely the remaining population could push for change while the military part worked down their contracts.
The US millitary has always been genocidal imperialists.
I know the nuance will be hard for some. So I will start by saying that I am very against the actions of our government, and have been since a pretty young.
But, the vast majority of our troops are in the military because it was the best or maybe only option to make a living. And that is the way the government design the economy. They make sure people have no or few other choices.
Now compare what the military is doing to distract from the epstien files to what the billionaire class is doing. Then look at who you work for. Odds are your job in some way supports the very people who made epstien possible. So we are all complicit. Yet we all have little choice but to work. So instead of pointing your anger at someone who just like you is complicit. Point it at the people actually responsible.
Drug dealers and mobsters are often in it because that’s their viable option for social mobility. Therefore I will give soldiers the same respect owed to drug dealers and mobsters. All accept the reality of maybe having murder innocents for some rich jackasses too.
Hm, the percent of drug dealers and mobsters that don’t have an active combat like role is very very low. But the military has people like doctors and nurses among other very much non combat roles. So it isn’t really a fair comparison. And some people join the military to avoid becoming a drug dealer or mobster. It’s a step up, mostly because it is legal. And for some, they do one tour and then become productive members of society. That happens far less with drug dealers and mobsters. So at least give them the respect for choosing not to become a drug dealer or mobster.
It is completely fair to to your weazel words that amount to: MY LIFE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT IN THE WORLD AND I WILL EVEN KILL INNOCENTS WITHOUT HESITATION, NOT TO PRESERVE IT BUT JUST TO IMPROVE IT SOMEWHAT. That is what they all signed up for, many soldiers proudly.
Also mobs have a high amount of support personnel too and their master’s goals necessitate far less of slaughter of innocent civilians.
Wow, your hands sure were busy shoving words in my mouth. Too bad you didn’t try to make any logical points. Guess you just don’t have any. And no, mobs don’t have anywhere near the percent of support personal that the military has.
US troops are disproportionately middle class. Full article is on scidb if you wanna read the whole thing. But here is the important part:
We show that recent recruits tend to have higher than average socioeconomic background: they dispro- portionally come from the middle of the family income, family wealth, and cognitive skill distributions, with both tails under-represented
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01402390.2019.1692660?src=recsys&journalCode=fjss20
Also they are not doing this to distract from Epstein. The rich got away with that, we have not taken out any of them in retaliation. We’re not even protecting kids from troops at Ft Brag. We don’t care enough to stop them, they can do whatever they want until we hit our breaking point. Just shitty to know that pedos running concentration camps for kids is not our breaking point
