If they wanted equal pay, they should get higher paying jobs like doctor or lawyer instead of lower paying jobs like woman doctor or woman lawyer.
Reeeeeeeeally thought you were going to go in a serious direction as I started reading that.
Kinda like when Mallory Archer was talking about how she doesn’t get what her son sees in Lana.
“I mean really, what does he see in a black…ops field agent???”
Really felt like she was going in a whole different direction.
I had to read it twice
Can’t do that or your driver’s licence will be invalidated.
America needs better unions. Or just… unions.
Kek
Is that a Futurama quote? Sounds like something Fry would say.
*reported crimes
Women are just better at it.
I love this because it has the potential to make an incel implode.
i mean, i’m nonbinary. the assaults i’ve had from men are more severe, but they are from far fewer men. the assaults i’ve had from women are far, far less severe, but women in general seem comfortable assaulting people in broad daylight.
I was gonna say that some of this is also probably sentencing bias. Subjectively the correlation seems too strong to not have some truth to it. I also have other data to support male = higher violence risk largely outside of perceptual bias.
As an example from my area of expertise, men complete suicide more often because they typically choose deadlier means (guns especially) vs women are more likely to attempt something like a drug overdose which is more reversible / leaves more opportunity for aborting the attempt. There’s not a lot of room in those stats for perceptual bias, dead is dead and alive is alive. It’s basically a known fact that men are more violent to themselves. I won’t get too much into the stats of violence against others except to say that the statistical predictor tool I’ve used for that in institutional environments didn’t use “male,” it used “male under 30y/o.”
On the other end of perceptual errors almost govern criminal sentencing. Entrusting a group of people to judge an event reduces some but not all of the perceptual bias, but certainly can’t eliminate it. And I do also have my own subjective / experiential perspective that is similar but in some ways inverted to yours (but is also almost certainly occurring in a 100% different environment):
When I first started in my field I was told and found to be true that when you’re breaking up a fight between men all you need to do is break eye contact. You get between them back to back with a coworker and if you can’t block their sightline to each other with your bodies you shove one of them around a corner. And that’s it. Within about 30 seconds they’re in tension reduction talking about their feelings in that emotionally constipated way western men do (“he just made me so mad!”). Otoh I was told and found to be true that you let the women go at it until the entire code team arrives from your surrounding units because you’re going to basically have to do a full restraint episode for each woman.
(Sorry I have lots of thoughts about violence it’s actually kinda my area of professional expertise.)
Be the change you wan- wait no nevermind please don’t
“Be a man and take it” is quite the take here. Haven’t we all acknowledged that toxic masculinity is a problem?
If women are so great, how come they’ve never oppressed an entire gender?
I want to be oppressed by women. It turns me on.
I was going to make a joke, but gender oppression is so degenerate it felt too dark…
I don’t see it as legitimate gender oppression if it’s something that takes place between consenting adults.
It is kind of dark but I think women can appreciate it because it acknowledges that they been oppressed.
Clearly you have not met the women of my clan, be they mothers, aunts, or wives they are forces of nature who will keep us menfolk under boot. Sisters, cousins, and daughters have no power and will be conscripted to help with the plan created with a collective total of 4 braincells.
Ummm, yeah it’s a joke dude.
We don’t know the actual statistics of what percentage of violent crimes and sexual assaults are committed by women. A lot of woman on man crime (domestic abuse, sexual assault) largely goes unreported when it happens, and hardly ever gets taken seriously when it does.
So long as that is still an issue, that there exists some idea that only men do these things, or mostly do these things, or even get falsely accused of doing these things while being a victim, the statistics cannot be trusted.
Feel free to downvote if it makes you feel righteous, or on “the winning side”.
Plenty of women don’t report crimes against them. I think it would be fair to assume that reporting crimes against men in an attempt to sway these numbers probably would’t change much or might even swing them further in women’s favor.
By definition you do not have the data for this argument to be credible.
Sexual assaults on women not reported
https://womenfamilies.org/why-most-sexual-assaults-are-not-reported/
Domestic abuse goes unreported by women
Ergo, if we dig into the data and a) women underreport more crimes against them, or b) everyone’s crimes go underreported and the ratio remains the same.
I’m far more inclined to think more crimes go unreported against women because men tend to be the aggressors far more often.
And I have to add the caveat that I am NOT trying to detract from crimes against men AT ALL during this discussion.
I’m not disputing the idea that violence against women gets underreported. I am saying that there is a lack of data here by definition and it is therefore impossible to guess how much one gender or the other is underreported relative to each other. If you want to quantify things, you need data instead of a feeling. You linking these two articles strikes me as you googling whatever you could find that parrots back a conclusion you already had in your head.
The fact that you repeat your conclusion despite not having evidence to back it up is a sign that you might be falling victim to confirmation bias. You should maybe spend a little more time examining whether or not your worldview has you jumping to conclusions in the absence of data.
I don’t know and have no way of knowing which gender underreports abuse more, and the nature of underreporting makes it tough to trust any data on this topic without digging into how it gets collected.
I would posit that, generally speaking, women are generally less capable of harm that would necessitate calling the cops on your partner. Yes this is a generalization, but i think it holds true that men are generally more durable and physically stronger than women, and a lot of times a woman hitting a man is just not going to meet the threshold of that man thinking “oh, violence is being done to me, let me call the police”. However if the same force she is applying were applied to herself, she may get injured or at least be more likely to perceive that force to warrant calling the authorities.
I don’t know how I could prove or disprove that assertion. God knows there’s plenty of anecdotal evidence out there but I’m not aware of many credible studies that talk about woman->man violence.
So you’ve put me in a place where the restrictions you impose on the argument make it impossible to prove by a) rejecting the provided evidence, b) saying it’s “feeling” even though I cited evidence and offered the opinion that it’s not good enough just because what? It showed up in search results?, c) declined to provide any counter evidence by your own.
No, we cannot know the unknown for the purposes of this discussion, but the preponderance of the evidence points to men being more likely to engage in violence against women, and women are less likely to report it. So by sheer numbers, it is likely (note this is the second time I used conditional language) that it is weighted towards women underreporting. Per capita (crime per person per report)? Not a clue.
Yes, I repeat my conclusion because I am making my argument, seeing as you provided nothing to refute other than opinion, not trying to do your job and prove yours for you.
Neither of those articles supports what you are saying. The first one, about sexual assault, says in big, bold letters that men are less likely to report sexual assault. The argument was not that more violence is committed against men (sexual assaults at the very least are obviously not), it’s that men are less likely to report it when it happens, which is exactly what your article said. It also said women under-report. But just because women also under-report doesn’t mean they under-report at a higher rate than men.
Not to sound like a broken record, but the statistics themselves cannot be trusted. So bringing up statistics doesn’t support your argument.
So basically, you’ve made up your mind and there’s no evidence that could ever be presented to you to change it.
Because there exists evidence that makes these statistics unreliable.
Yes, this is what s/he is saying. They set an undefined and therefore unattainable standard for the purposes of this argument.
It’s also known that plenty of men don’t report sexual assaults by women against them because then they would be seen as weak or “lucky” because “You didn’t get raped, she just wanted to. I wish I were you!”
He just said that. Why did you repeat it?
Because they don’t report the offences against them for different reasons.
Women don’t report crimes because no one will believe them, they’re over exaggerating, or it never happened.
When men don’t report it, it’s because they’re pussies, why didn’t they enjoy it, or belittled by other men because “well you had sex so shut up”.
I didn’t repeat anything they said. I laid out the difference in which the genders may underreport and why.
A lot of woman on man crime (domestic abuse, sexual assault) largely goes unreported when it happens
A lot of man-on-woman crime and man-on-man crime largely goes unreported when it happens, too, so that’s a wash, isn’t it?
Do you think woman-on-man crime is unreported more frequently for some reason?
Feel free to down vote this post if it makes you feel anything, really. Nobody cares.
… for some reason
“For some reason”
“For some reason”
Yes! That reason is the rub. It’s a quandary.
Claims alone aren’t very convincing, men are all sorts of people and they’re not all a monolith of supposed masculinity.
See? I’ve even lofted you a slowball.
But we can trust something else: it is more scary for a woman to walk some poorly illuminated city street late at night than it is for a man. So nah, “these figures may not be true” does not negate “this trend does exist”
I question whether that fear is based on something real or just the idea that it would happen. That same idea that makes the law harsher against men committing crimes than women.
I mean, I don’t believe it’s typically the law that makes things harsher, it’s gender bias in juries.
I guess that depends on how your laws and courts function. Other countries don’t have juries like America does.
Oh, so women do not get raped?
If men didn’t “mostly do these things” the meme you’re replying to wouldn’t exist.
Feel free to downvote me if you have enjoyed a sandwich from Arby’s in the last 30 days.
Well if we were really aiming for equality, we’d only need to do 50% of those.
Get off your ass and work harder, women!
Violence comes from insecurity and social unease and suffering. The best way to make those things happen is shaming men instead of promoting men mental health and gender consciousness. Teaching them that patriarchy is not their fault and that the best way to fix their problems is breaking out of the system itself
Are you suggesting women somehow have it easier than men?
Where did you read that? He clearly states a problem with men, but no where in that text it said anything about comparing men’s problems to women’s problems.
Men can have problems too. Just because of that doesn’t make women’s problems less bad.
Don’t put words into people’s mouth.
A big issue with men’s problems is exactly your response. As soon as they have a problem, there’s a reaction like “look at women, they have it worse” insinuating men’s problems have no right to exist.
Can we please acknowledge both men and women have their own problems, without the need to compare them? Without saying that because of one’s problem, the other has no right to have have any? Both ways.
No
…if we just had more women doing revenge killings for the things men did to them, we’d be well on our way!
Realistically I think they just need to put more work into getting men pregnant.
I’m open to trying, I guess.
Are you open to try or are you open to try
I mean I’d never do that but which hole do you think it would be? They’re are so many. That I would never want to try.
Wouldn’t it be 50%?
No. They’re saying that 93% + 93% = 186%.
No. Go big or go home.
well if 93% is currently 10,000 murders, then women doing 10,000 murders would hypothetically turn it to 50%
edit: well maybe like 57% because they already have the other 7%? but it would be lower because there is more total? I confused myself
Thought this was c / womensstuff for a minute
