Pretty much all of them.
It’d be easier to ask which bands do deserve their recognition.
To be honest? AC/DC; they’ve got plenty of good songs but plenty of duds as well. It’s pretty much become one of those bands that if you ask someone, who’s wearing their tshirt what their favourite song/album is, they either won’t be able to give you an answer, or pick a really obvious one (most likely either Highway to Hell or Hell’s Bells).
It’s the same with Metallica and, to a lesser extent, Iron Maiden.
Metallica for sure as a 42 year old I’m a fan of them or to be specific I’m a fan of 2 albums, justice for all and the black album. I never stood the long-term appeal of them. I have a friend who is the same age as me who is a diehard fan of Metallica they kind of remind me of the next generation kiss. And also on top of that, they helped destroy Napster.
I obviously never met any of them but the band itself just comes across as a bunch of douchebags, especially James Hetfield.
The Ramones. If ever a band deserved to be a 1-hit wonder, this is it.
Smashing pumpkins. Booooooring. And Billy is an ass.
Well easy answer is Taylor Swift, she’s a fine singer but not amazing, samey lyrics, like the McDonald’s of music. Is she a band? Idk. Agree with KISS.
It sounds like you don’t like pop music. 1989 is an objectively good album. I don’t know anything else about any of her other music, but that single album is DENSE with well executed main stream pop.
Having said that, should tickets to see her be as expensive as they are? Should people be as obsessed with her as they are? No on both counts.
I think they should be upfront with people that when they go to her concert, they’re not hearing her sing live, at least most of the time, and they are not hearing the band play live.
It should be obvious that no singer could do several 3-hour shows a week for more than a year, and not have it affect her voice.
Just check out the Wings of Pegasus YouTube channel, to see where two different concerts in different countries had exactly the same music (vocal and instrumental).
I know several people who spent thousands of dollars to see her in concert. I’m not going to go out of my way to ruin the memory for them. They got the experience they wanted. But I’m also not going to pretend that it was a musical experience.
I like a lot of pop music, mostly synth pop, Pet Shop Boys, Erasure, Duran Duran, Depeche Mode, Hall and Oates, Billy Ocean, Howard Jones, Michael Jackson (yea). I listened to the album, it’s definitely well produced and catchy but I didn’t hear anything new at all, it’s very formulaic, which is fine for pop music of course but she’s definitely not doing anything new or exciting so I don’t get the hype at all. It’s good pop music sure, but filling stadiums? People flying around the world? I dunno. It’s more a cult of personality.
Imagine Dragons, ugh, music designed for car commercials and 8th graders, fucking rip my ear drums out.
I’d just add that I think part of their popularity comes from their “safe” image. You put on an Imagine Dragons song, you know you’re getting a pretty apolitical “pop-rock” song, not like those dumb hippies from the 70s or those indie-rock losers. Which I think sucks, to be clear.
whats wrong with imagine dragons?
Exactly my thought, Kiss is like royalty free muzak rock.
Exactly, also if you ever seen their photos in magazines from back in the 70s, they would have Pyro and spit out fake blood. If you never heard any of their songs just based on the visuals, you would think they were some deep disturbed hard-core metal but when you listen to their songs, it sounds like something you would hear on Sesame Street.
I bought this album (Meatloaf, Bat out of Hell) back when you went to record stores and flipped through albums and bought something because the cover looked cool. I was already listening to Judas Priest, Iron Maiden… I was like wtf is this. Never understood that genre. And yeah, kiss sucks too.
Meatloaf just had this annoying voice that made his music unbearable, the instrumentation is kinda ok if you like bloated overdramatic arena rock.
Being an anti-wax asshat, he died of COVID a couple of years ago. He was gonna do anything for love, but he wouldn’t do that.
Theatrical rock. Big outside the US. A lot of Americans don’t seem to dig it.
The fact that people acted like they didn’t know what he wouldn’t do for love tells me all I need to know about the haters. He spells it out pretty clearly. He won’t move on and fall in love again. He’s an immortal who fell for a mortal woman. She asked for all these things he could do. Then she said after she dies he should find love again. He said that’s it, that’s the line I won’t cross.
They only heard the radio edit, which completely cut that section of the song where he spells it out. Radio didn’t want to play a 12 minute song.
I was gonna say the video exists, but the video is about 7 and a half minutes while the album version is 12 and change.
One of my favourite songs right now is a Japanese song that’s around 11 minutes long. One of my favourite English songs is around ten minutes. I like long songs. I am aware that longer songs exist (RUSH’s 2112 being over 20 minutes, In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida by Iron Butterfly being something like 12-15 minutes, Rime of the Ancient Mariner and Hallowed Be Thy Name by Iron Maiden being around 10 minutes (sometimes much longer live), and I’ve even heard of modern songs reaching an hour or more. And some meme/concept songs that go for hours. Then you have concept albums that are meant to be listened to as a whole (as opposed to 2112 which was broken up into tracks). But I do like a few pretty long songs.
Meatloaf is a classically trained opera singer, and wanted to make rock ballads. I can understand people not getting it. Bat out of Hell II, Back into Hell was where he really hit his stride.
Not exactly what you’re asking, but Nickelback was a passing good rock band with several great songs. How they became the punching bag of bad bands I’ll never really understand.
They are like vanilla with vanilla sauce on top.
I remember it seemed like every time I got in the car at their peek they would be on. I always just assumed it was because Canada has always about the minimum amount of canadian content played.
Nickelback has some great songs I still jam to. They’re just generic radio rock that doesn’t offend people. See also: Creed. Until Scott Stapp offended people.
Noone can tell the difference between Creed and Nickleback. I think that is part of the problem.
KISS was mediocre rock at best. They have a few good songs. They are/were stage performers. Same with Gwar. Same with Insane Clown Posse. And KISS have done a lot to entertain their fans. They’re fine.
Most popular music is popular because a lot of people like it. I never much cared for Taylor Swift, but I decided to try her new album. I pay for music streaming, so it didn’t cost me anything. Turns out I really like most of it! Listened to her previous album and it doesn’t hit the same. So I’m not a Swiftie after all. Same with Kendrick Lamar. He was doing the Super Bowl last year so I listened to his latest album. I still play GNX from time to time.
Find what you love but don’t yuck somebody else’s yum.
If anyone says Rush, I will find you…oh yes, I will find you.
Not really able to be overrated anymore as you’ll be hard pressed to find an under 30 who even knows them.
But also its impossible for them to be overrated ;)
Rush is goddamn terrible. Every song changes tempo 12 times so the drummer can show off.
The Pass changes tempo?
Now tool, it can get trippy and complex. But rush has 19 albums and theyre all pretty different, not a lot of them are actually that proggy.
hype? Pretty much any because hype is almost always artificial.
But fans? I can’t say any band/performers don’t deserve their fan base. You pull the crowds that need what you’re making, so you inherently deserve them.
I can say that some fans do over hype the talents of what they like. It’s perfectly okay to be a middle range musician, and it’s perfectly fine to like them and recommend them exactly as they are.
Like, backstreet boys. Solid pop boy band. Had some great songs, but most were just okay pop. None of the members can really be compared to someone like Freddy Mercury, or Pavarotti, or Marvin Gaye, but they all had good voices to some degree or another and used them well. But their fan base back in the day was all about the hype, the fannishness of it. So they got hyped way beyond what they were.
That’s the curse of a lot of pop performers, and it is the curse of teen/tween targeted pop for sure.
A lot of that kind of performer has to totally undo their family friendly (which is a bullshit term to begin with) focus to ever really grow musically. Look at pretty much every Disney escapee for examples. Timberlake, arguably the best example of someone escaping that trap without having to piss off the original fan base, still drags some of that curse with him while producing some very good pop music.
Now, KISS? Since that’s the example in the post, I think you run into the trouble of hindsight. At the time they gained their initial popularity and success, they were a damn great live band. A KISS show back then was something most people had never seen, and the hype was justified
But they suffer from the success curse. Other people took what they did and did it better. So now the hype is essentially all nostalgia, so it feels out of place. Legit, go back and check out footage of their live shows and compare it to the standard rock bands of the same eras. It wasn’t until they went full idiot and tried to abandon the makeup (and all that went with it) that they lost the thread. At that point, they kept trying to summon up what they’d lost and never regained their mojo. At this point, a KISS show just doesn’t do justice to what the hype says. It can’t, because it isn’t the same band despite being mostly the same people.
But they were always mid tier songwriters (even the ones I fucking love were mid tier compared to a band like The Band that I tend to enjoy less).
So, that kind of thing is why I don’t jump on hype or shit on hype. It’s usually artificial, and it’s also usually generated by dint of numbers. So hype never carries well.
But it’s also why I never object or care about someone like Taylor Swift having a massive fan base either. She writes and performs for her target audience. She does that very well, no matter what else anyone thinks about her. Any pop performer is trying to do exactly that. Even niche subgenre performers that are actually trying to sell their music try to find a way to target a fan base (even if it’s only people that would object to being called a fan base).
I would, at this point in my life, also say that at least checking out hype can be worth it. Even if you don’t like whatever it is, you’ve shared something with other people, and that’s a net positive. Plus, you might run into a few songs you do like from someone you don’t otherwise enjoy (like shake it off from Swift for me)
Ghost. It’s just not metal. You can be into it and I’m not going to judge you or anything, but just stop calling it metal, it’s arena rock. Sticking feathers up your ass doesn’t make you a chicken.
Its arena rock for sure, but they put on a damn good show and dont use any backing tracks, so much much respect compared to all the fake ass bands nowadays !
Same thing with Avril Lavigne when she first came out I remember a lot of people on TV as well in my personal life would call her the queen of punk no, she is not punk just because somebody wears leather arm guards and has a shitty attitude doesn’t make you punk.
You just don’t get it, man, punk isn’t about rebellion, community, individualism, and anti-authoritarianism, it’s about wearing ties with wifebeaters and singing about boys!
Now I’m gonna sing about a sk8er boy and sell t-shirts at hot topic.
That’s #punkasfuck
Steven Patrick Morrissey. Fuck him and his whiney bitch voice. He’s also an asshole.
Why is it always KISS? People are making the mistake of treating KISS as musicians. They are showmen and good at their job. The music is just the background. I saw them live once and it was one of the best shows I’ve ever seen.
Also, KISS is enjoyable to listen to. I’m not putting on headphones, taking my choice of medication, and having a transcendental experience.
I’m Shouting Out Loud. I’m Lickin’ It Up. I’m Rock n’ Rolling All Nite (and Partying Every Day). I’m Detriot Rock City…ing.
I’ll get stoned to death, but I’ll say Metallica.
Yes, they popularized thrash metal and metal genre as an extension.
Yes, they’re the best-selling metal band.
Yes, Ride the Lightning and …and Justice for All are great albums—they’re on my favorites list also.
No, they’re not “the best metal band of all time”. I’d even say they’re one of the weaker bands in the entire thrash metal genre. I’d rather listen to Exodus, Testament, Annihilator, Destruction, etc. than to listen Metallica, if I don’t crave one of their songs particularly.
Hating metallica is a common thing nowadays, they really fell from grace a while ago when people realized they were jerk divas.
I still remember the Napster case. They should’ve disbanded after Jason Newsted left their sorry asses.
It’s also not metal to sue people for millions of dollars because they downloaded one of your shitty songs off of Napster.
They lost their cool after the Moscow concert.
My hot take: Metallica should be replaced in the big 4 by Suicidal Tendencies, but don’t worry, that means Rob gets to stay at least, he’s the only talent they had left anyway
ST is more crossover than thrash, that’s why I wouldn’t add them. My big four would be like this:
- Megadeth
- Exodus
- Testament
- Overkill
I also think Rob made a successful financial decision, but his musical career took a nose dive; he entered the band when the boys were done with music and became their own tribute band.
