I can’t tell you how many times I’ve accidentally pasted random private stuff from that goddamn middle click into WEB PAGES! Things that can read whatever text you type without having to explicitly submit anything. It’s a horrible thing for a new user to discover by accident. It’s such an unexpected feature to new users, and no one gets told about it, ever. You simply discover it by accident.
This is a good change, not having it on by default.
To all the haters of this idea, god forbid we make Linux less weird by default for people migrating from Windows.
All that said, I have learned to love select-to-copy and middle-click paste. Especially in the terminal.
Until this article I didn’t even know you could middle-click paste.
Haha same, never thought of it as a problem to be fixed but see no reason to stop having it as the default, Ctrl+Shift+V works same as middle click to paste in terminal.
Yeah, I use that, too. It might differ from DE to DE, but in KDE, there’s the normal clipboard, and then there’s the one for selections and middle-click. They don’t share the same contents by default, but you can enable that.
This. Only correct comment in the entire thread. Rest are people who probably don’t even use computers and have no idea what a mouse is.
Highlight->Middle paste has been my friend for decades now. Using it from SunOS in the 90-s to now has been a great feature. It’s the quickest way to copy and paste while I’m working fast with text or data entry.
I love having both clipboards be functional. The latest rounds of tools that have stopped being as compatible with it has been no end of problems in my workflow. I’ll copy with the keyboard, highlight some text and then paste both clipboards somewhere else.
No, using the keyboard here isn’t as fast, don’t bother making that argument, especially since ctrl-c means different things in different places on Unix style systems. Left hand stays home row while the right is forced to leave for the mouse since it’s a GUI.
I’ve had to deal with many tools that don’t respect keyboard cut/paste as well. Add in that some tools like putty or git bash on windows have ctrl-ins for paste?
Panning in CAD/design is usually click and hold middle or even a two button system (freecad), so trying to take a middle click for that isn’t buying uniformity.
The copy/paste world is already fractured enough. Keep the highlight/middle click working so we can go fast. I might be a dinosaur, but I’m a fast dinosaur.
reading these comments had me wondering if i was the only dinosaur around. lol
The essence of the article:
The discussions, visible in Mozilla’s Phabricator revision D277804 and a linked GNOME gsettings-desktop-schemas merge request, focus on disabling the traditional primary selection paste by default.
Mozilla proposes changing the default behavior of the Firefox browser on Unix builds so that pressing the middle mouse button no longer pastes text by default.
The functionality will be there and can be enabled. The reasoning:
The author of the revision frames the current behavior as a source of confusion and accidental pastes, especially when users press the middle button without expecting the clipboard contents to be inserted into text fields.
To have it as ab option, great. I believe KDE already has this? Computers should work the way the user wants it, so a middle click should do what the user wants it to do.
Removing it completely would be insanity
Mozilla are still using Phabricator?! That stopped being maintained in 2021…
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I like my middle paste, so long as it isn’t gone for good I’m happy. Having 2 clipboards is also nice
Don’t you touch my middle paste!
This is one of the most useful things in Xorg, and prior to that in X11. If you (generic you, not anyone in particular here) don’t know about it it’s because you come from too long time on “my users are stupid” operating systems. It’s one of those things that once you have it in muscle memory you use it without even thinking about it.
Have I mis-pasted things? Yes. Have l pasted my password in an IRC channel? Yes. Would I stop using it because once every few months I make a mistake? Not at all.
Make it configurable, if you must, but leave us old timers work the way we have done for 30 years or more. There are already some software/ toolkits that disable it, so it is likely doable on a per-app basis.
Gratuitous “old man yells at clouds” rant: people should be forced to use a VT52 for one year before being granted GUI privileges, especially if you work with network hardware.
I’ll crawl back in my cave now.
It seems to me that having a mouse button defaultly paste the contents of the keyboard without the inclusion of a modifier key is just a bad idea.
As you said, you have pasted the wrong thing by accident because it’s one button press.
It just seems to me that by default pasting text should not be done by a single button press anywhere where your hand rests, like a mouse or the center of a keyboard. I’m not saying people shouldn’t be able to make it’s a configurable option, options are good, but it is not a good default.
Why is this a thing? I’ve never wanted a feature less…
Damn I’m using that I hope they don’t remove it!
I occasionally use middle mouse paste, but I switched my partner over from Windows recently and they were used to scrolling by holding MMB and dragging which seems to be the default on Windows…
I expected there to be a toggle to turn off middle mouse paste but there just wasn’t. I had to go into multiple different places to disable it and enable autoscroll for all their apps. I ended up installing a hacky tool that would just clear the clipboard whenever MMB was pressed.
If anything can make this process easier, I’m all for it.
Finally!
I’m honestly baffled. These are two companies that are clearly past their best days, largely because of a string of controversial decisions in recent years that have pushed many users toward alternatives that feel more reasonable and do not attempt to re-educate users’ behavior.
On point 👌
That’s the real linux user story.
We come for the speed, flexibility, FOSS values … but we STAY for the middle mouse paste.
why do you want to attack me personally?
GNOME really seems to be targeting some mythical user who is tech savvy enough to install Linux, is likely running Windows currently, wants their new operating system to feel like MacOS but is also helplessly confused by any settings/customizability or the smallest change in behavior from other operating systems.
I don’t generally see recommendations for new users/less tech savvy to use GNOME anymore since there are plenty of DEs that behave closer to what they’re already used to and it feels like most of the enthusiasts have largely abandoned it already. I just don’t understand who they think this is for. Just baffling decision after baffling decision
Fucking finally
I hope everyone else follows soon. If you like it when you are trying to open a link on a new tab and your system randomly decides to spew a selection from another app into a random text box you are free to configure that yourself. Remember to configure in a cilice wrapping your thigh while you are at it, it’s unix-compliant and has been around for centuries.
