• Buffalox@lemmy.world
    511·
    26 days ago

    Go Bazzite, there has been a lot of talk about Bazzite lately, also on YouTube many have been reviewing it, like JayzTwoCents had a feature about it, which probably helped.
    I haven’t tried it myself, but it’s great to see that it’s still possible to shake up the Linux community with a new approach.
    Congratulations and best of wishes. 👍 🎈

  • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    262·
    25 days ago

    I will hypothesize why:

    Bazzite is the Trendy Distro Of The Month, like Peppermint or Endeavor or Nobara or a frillion others. CachyOS is apparently next. Nearly constantly, you’ll hear about some trendy new distro which is a fork of Ubuntu or Fedora or Arch that has a feature or two targeted at newcomers or gamers, and for awhile it gets heavily recommended on Reddit or Lemmy, then you stop hearing about it forever as the rest of the ecosystem adopts that feature or fixes the thing that feature was meant to be worked around, and then the cycle repeats.

    Bazzite is targeted toward gamers, it emphasizes a solid onboarding experience with a configurator to choose/build your install media based on what you want to do with it, do you want a handheld or home theater experience or a keyboard and mouse desktop? Do you want it to boot to SteamOS or to a DE? Which DE? What hardware do you have? So their gimmick is to steer users through the initital config and setup process. Which as gimmicks go, that one is pretty solid.

    MEANWHILE

    Fedora’s Atomic editions have no gimmicks at all. You have to independently learn that immutable distros exist, independently decide you want that, and then go hunting on their website through their godforsaken marketing wank to find it.

    Fedora likes their bullshit branding. You go to their website, and there are big buttons for Fedora Workstation right next to Fedora KDE Plasma Desktop. “Workstation” does not mention that it’s just the Gnome version. You have to stroll further down, past server, IoT and “Core” versions, to a section that looks visually different labeled “More Fedora Options” including Atomic and Spins. You’re a new Linux user, you’ve just used the OS that came with your computer your whole life, explain to me what the difference between Core and Atomic is and why you should choose one over the other?

    The Atomic versions, which is kind of a synonym for “immutable”, you click on that, and you’re presented with five options: Fedora Silverblue, Fedora Kinoite, Fedora Sway Atomic, Fedora Budgie Atomic, and Fedora Cosmic Atomic Nowhere in its name or description does Silverblue mention that it’s the Gnome desktop one. Kinoite starts with a K and also mentions in the description it’s the KDE atomic version. Also, “kinoite” is a godawful word, they should have gone with Kyanite instead, which is a different blue crystal. Or they should have just called it KDE Atomic or Plasma Atomic. The others just put the DE’s name in the title LIKE A NORMAL PERSON, ROWAN.

    • EarlGrey@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      7·
      25 days ago

      That’s a really dismissive way to say “It’s an OS built to fit a demand that wasn’t being met by the other distros”.

    • Default_Defect@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      5·
      25 days ago

      CachyOS is apparently next.

      I’d argue that this is already the current trend. I can’t count the number of random Indian youtubers I recently got recommended to watch as they glaze CachyOS as the second coming of christ.

    • spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      25 days ago

      I am wary about invoking Apple here, but say what you will about the company, there’s a lot of value in a braindead setup process. Many, many users just want something that just works - it was literally something I asked for when Linux was recommended to me (knowing some hate Ubuntu, I’ll out myself: using Ubuntu Budgie - setup was super simple. I guess there must be demand for that niche in the broader Linux community, so that’s a very smart move by Bazzite.

  • todotoro@midwest.socialEnglish
    7·
    25 days ago

    I am a container evangelist, I find excuses to convert my jobs into Kubernetes workloads, and I frequently use the likes of podman for one off apps/processes and development. I use Flatpak frequently to isolate dependencies for the likes of Steam and Heroic.

    I really wanted to like Bazzite or Bluefin, but I can’t deal with the overhead from the rpm os-tree updates. I would frequently notice hitches for my use case (sunshine streaming), and the hoops I had to do to configure Nvidia drivers (for it to then not work as good as other distros) was tiresome.

    I went back to Arch (EndeavourOS), and I improved sunshine performance and had a driver that worked with less fiddling.

    I’m saying all this because, while I’m glad to see any Linux distro grow, I hope it starts delivering what it says on the tin eventually without compromises that I experienced. Markering on it being immutable and container focused is true, but I dont see the benefit (aside from more stability which as others pointed out, is already stable is most cases)?. Right now, its a simple to configure (assuming most defaults work for your setup) distro that is finding a growing niche amongst some users (obviously by the data shown). And thats good enough for now at least.

  • DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world
    7·
    25 days ago

    Bazzite just works when it’s a regular desktop. The HTPC (with steam game mode) one has a major issue that I don’t see them even addressing, it doesn’t suspend. It goes into a permanent black screen and the PC is still running. Nothing revives it beside a forced reboot. I reported it to their GitHub and got nothing really. I thought it was my hardware, but I had a friend of mine bring his whole tower to my house, we installed bazzite and it did the same thing. His tower has all new AMD hardware. On my laptop, bazzite is solid as hell. Works with zero issues.

    • chunkystyles@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      2·
      25 days ago

      I started on Bazzite but transitioned to Aurora for my personal PC and wife’s laptop. God I wish I could use it for work. I’m forced to use Windows or Mac.

  • brownmustardminion@lemmy.ml
    6·
    25 days ago

    Lots of shit-talking Bazzite…

    I don’t game much but when I do it’s on Fedora.

    What distro do you all recommend for my Windows buddy looking to switch to gaming on Linux?

    • EarlGrey@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      15·
      25 days ago

      Bazzite is the option for Windows converts that want a gaming focused Linux desktop. A lot of people are going to nitpick it to death, because they want “Literally Windows but without Microsoft”. Which isn’t happening while Linux has the market share it has. You either accept a few annoyances (while advocating for those annoyances to be fixed), or go back to Windows and accept Microsoft’s authoritarian control of your computer.

      Bazzite is a solid desktop that’s going to be really hard for a regular user to break, comes with Steam, Lutris, and Heroic built in, proprietary nvidia drivers installed, and is based on Fedora (Modern, stable, well supported).

      The only downside is KDE can be really easy to break if you’re a new user unfamiliar with how customizing it works, but if you leave it default you’re fine.

      • PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        1·
        24 days ago

        Just in the name of completeness, I wouldn’t say that’s the only downside. I definitely have some stability issues with Bazzite, only when gaming though. But game crashes, occasional OS crashes, that hasn’t been exactly rare for me. But I will say, gaming is about the one thing in my life I’m almost unwilling to troubleshoot these days. Could be something specific to my setup that is uncommon for others, making my data point unhelpful.

        And by and large, I’d absolutely recommend it for any Windows user who wants an easily transferable user experience and broadly fantastic gaming support with minimal fuss.

    • vga@sopuli.xyz
      1·
      24 days ago

      CachyOS might be the easiest one that gives you something decent. It’s basically an Arch Linux with slightly better compiler optimizations and tweaked kernels. Also a tweaked version of proton in the core repos.

      Started by a German dude so EU++ or something. And of course it’s based on Arch Linux, which was started by a Canadian dude.

      It’s on top of distrowatch too, but I have no idea what that implies.

  • pirat@lemmy.ml
    6·
    26 days ago

    Neat!

    I’ve been running Garuda on my main rig for a minute. I thought all would be good but some of my music production stuff has been a bit slow to catch up as far as updates in the AUR vs the official .deb releases (and I haven’t tinkered enough to just make that work myself).

    Being able to install .deb otb seems nice; I was planning on running a new framework 12 laptop on it (which I dream of getting for a new performance rig for my music) but I may install it on my current performance rig to see how it runs.

    How well does it play with nvidia? If it’s all good and I eventually switch on my main rig I’d love to be able to run a local GPU supported AI. I know that for nvidia I have to have drivers that support cuda stuff.

    • Botzo@lemmy.world
      3·
      26 days ago

      You might want to check out distrobox. Nice way to access apps for other distros or package managers like they’re native.

      I’m also on Garuda for my main box (Bazzite on the framework 13), and I have an Ubuntu distrobox for dev work with one dev project, another for general tools that are only released as .debs, one running fedora for things that “only support RHEL”, etc.

      • pirat@lemmy.ml
        1·
        24 days ago

        I’ll give it distrobox a shot. On the main box using Garuda I’ve been trying the dragonized version and had a lot of “odd” graphical issues with the DE.

        these weren’t present when I was using plasma with Debian ( which only was smooth once I switched it to be used by the GPU as well). This is another reason why I’ve been considering the switch.

    • marcie (she/her)@lemmy.mlOP
      3·
      26 days ago

      Nvidia open source drivers are working pretty good, I have no complaints. Local AI stuff can be a little annoying to setup as a beginner I bet, but if you run it through llama.cpp its smooth sailing. I recommend something like StabilityMatrix (app image) if you have no clue whats going on

      • pirat@lemmy.ml
        1·
        24 days ago

        I’ve done a fair bit of tinkering so I’m sure I can get it to work.

    • 474D@lemmy.world
      2·
      26 days ago

      I’m using it with a 5070 ti and everything is smooth. I have been using ComfyUI to restore old photos so the AI aspect works well too

  • Entertain529@lemmy.ml
    3·
    26 days ago

    I am interested in Bazzite, but am unsure about its compatibility with NVIDIA GPUs. Had anyone here had experience with this?

    • MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      25 days ago

      20XX onwards in desktop version is fine. I’ve only heard issues when using gaming mode on the HTPC version, and even then i think it’s just inside the gamescope steam menu it’s shit, in games it’s just fine, no difference.

    • Questy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      26 days ago

      I use a Fedora variant called Nobara with my 4080. Driver management has been great.

    • stankmut@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      26 days ago

      They make dedicated Nvidia images and I’ve heard good things. It’s supposed to be one of the distros to pick if you want a good out of the box experience with Nvidia. Only used the Amd/Intel image myself though.

    • olympicyes@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      26 days ago

      Worked great in VM with Nvidia A4000. Zero problems, just a learning curve to use rpm-ostree and brew instead of dnf.

      • zewm@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        25 days ago

        You should not be using rpm-os tree as a replacement for DNF. Their docs have a software installation section that specifically state it should be avoided.

        • merc@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          25 days ago

          Yeah, you should be using flatpak wherever possible. I currently have only gnome-tweaks and zsh as layered packages. Everything else is a flatpak, brew or lives in a distrobox.

  • TyrantTW@lemmy.ml
    2·
    25 days ago

    Surprised to see it at the bottom of the graph, but for anyone with a homelab uCore is a present from the heavens cloud!

  • b34k@lemmy.world
    2·
    25 days ago

    Just installed it at the start of the month on an older PC for a console-like experience in my living room. Only 2 issues really have me disappointed (and I’m not sure there’s much Bazzite can do about them)

    1. No HDMI 2.1 support from my AMD card (like seriously, wtf? Had I known that I probably would have dropped a 9060 XT in instead of a 9070XT)

    2. No real wake in controller support for my FlyDigi or Xbox Series controllers. I’ve messed around in udev and found no solutions.

    If they can figure those things out, I’d be much more impressed with the experience…. For now it just feels like another FOSS compromise to the product you actually want (PS5 Pro)

      • b34k@lemmy.world
        2·
        25 days ago

        Unfortunately, my living room TV has only HDMI in, no DP. I tried the adaptor route, but it was horribly unstable… sometimes providing perfect signal, sometimes cutting to a black screen for a second or 2, every 5-10 seconds. Either way, VRR is wholly unsupported by the adaptor.

        • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
          2·
          24 days ago

          Unfortunately nothing that can be done about it unless someome creates an “illegal” kernel module which supports HDMI 2.1 despite the lack of license. That’s basically the only hope right now (and I’m all for it).

  • onlooker@lemmy.ml
    1·
    26 days ago

    I have it on my HTPC and Steam Deck. It’s good! Simple to use, simple to set up, no complaints.

    • merc@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      25 days ago

      On the HTPC you’re running Bazzite? Do you play games on that machine?

      I’m planning on setting up a HTPC, but I won’t use it for gaming. I was thinking of setting it up to run Sway because I think I’ll mostly be using Kodi which has good keyboard support, so why not try to do everything in a keyboard-friendly way.

      • onlooker@lemmy.ml
        2·
        23 days ago

        Sorry, replying late. Yes, I do play games on my HTPC, though lately I’ve mostly been using to watch things through Kodi. Kodi does indeed work well with a keyboard, so good luck on your project!

        • merc@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          23 days ago

          Thanks. In theory if I do change my mind and run Steam on my HTPC, it should work even if I don’t use Bazzite. But, for now, I’m going to aim for keyboard control and Kodi.

  • Bilb!@lemmy.mlEnglish
    1·
    24 days ago

    I had been using Aurora-dx, but I also like to play games, so I re-based to Bazzite-dx when it became available.

  • Bronstein_Tardigrade@lemmygrad.ml
    1·
    24 days ago

    Call me a Luddite, but I want to retain control over my updates and upgrades. I fear the day that Fedora becomes all atomic, all the time, which I can’t help but think is in the cards