“Mildly interesting” is not very close to my reaction to this at all, rather something closer to “particularly concerning”
It’s not like newspapers or television are much better. The oligarchs bought and control both of those outlets. Plenty of “opinion disguised as news” to go around these days.
It’s not like newspapers or television are much better. The oligarchs bought and control both of those outlets
You have plenty of non-profit newspapers. ProPublica. The Guardian. The Colorado Sun. Mississippi Today. The Salt Lake Tribune. Mother Jones. The Walrus. Le Devoir. La Presse. Mediapart.
Also, if a journalist writes bullshit, they lose their job. It’s career suicide.
The way to assess the credibility of a journalist is easy. Just look at their past articles. Their articles usually follow them for their entire career.
If someone on social media spreads bullshit, what happens ? Nothing.
If someone on social media spreads total bullshit, what happens ? Nothing.
Thats not true. They become president.
Also, if a journalist writes total bullshit, they lose their job. It’s career suicide. Their articles follow them for their entire career.
WMDs in Iraq
The act of reading highly factual, if biased and not independent, still cultivates thinking for one self. Listening to these influencers doesn’t, to the same degree.
Before online influencers, it was AM radio.
Which only reached middle aged and older men who drove a lot
Edit: I don’t get the downvotes. In AM radio’s heyday, pre-2000, women and younger people were not listening to it at all. Older men were the target demographic. Of course everyone had access to radios, but women and younger people were listening to FM, not Rush Limbaugh. And at home, AM was never on unless you were in a very rural area and an AM station was your only choice.
General “centrist” unbiased news coverage tends not to affirm right-wing beliefs so they have to retreat into fringe independent media.
“Centrist” media tends to affirm things like the results of good science and vague inclusion, so liberals are happy to listen to it. It’s only self-described socialists or other “far left” euphemisms that recognize the deference to capitalism as problematic.
General “centrist” unbiased news coverage tends not to affirm right-wing beliefs so they have to retreat into fringe independent media.
Ehhh, don’t really agree; centrist news has historically ceded a lot to right wing framing and affirmation, while being far from unbiased. If anything, they have license to overtly right wing media to go even further.
Social media was a mistake.
Social media is a tool that could just as easily be used for the betterment of humankind.
Sadly, that doesn’t make a few people lots and lots of money, so it doesn’t happen.
Agriculture was a mistake.
every technology has had positive and negative. some get weaponized by the powers that be more effectively before the people can ensure safeguards. even the wheel has been a tool of the oppressor while making our lives too comfortable. of late, the powers that be have gained more through technological advancement than the people. i want to see a world where we can invert some of this power stream. after all, it’s us, the people, who discovered these advancements, built these wonders, and now find ourselves increasingly imprisoned and controlled by violence
And its here to stay. The way kids are stuck on YouTube is like how old people are stuck on fox news.
I’ve thought about this a lot. There’s no end. If its not Facebook, YouTube, cable, etc. It will be something else. If only our daily lives where interesting in and of themselves. Escapism will always detach us from each other and we will flail on the wind forever.
Social media isn’t the problem Friendster used to exist and it was fine
The problem is putting the internet on a smartphone, because that meant that any idiot could get online now
And now the internet is 99.99% idiots
I honestly blame corporations rather than the availability to idiots.
Back in the Wild West internet days, things existed simply because people thought they were funny or hilarious, now things only exist if they garner some clout or can generate ad revenue. I don’t know how much of that is an inherently human trait, but I feel like society wasn’t so super-focused on personal success and self-image/confidence as it has been the past maybe 8 years. Or it was and I never noticed until then.
Edit: thinking more about it, availability might be a contributing factor to this, so you’re probably not wrong.
It’s availability mixed with profitability. It’s never just one single factor. If it was just availability that changed, it wouldn’t be as significant an issue as it is.
for muricans
Are you suggesting that the nearly instantaneous spread of mis/disinformation, the erosion of young peoples’ self esteem, or the damage to our attention spans is limited to people living in the United States?
no,I’m saying muricans. are mostly stupid and therefore MOSTLY susceptible
I see the same shit here in Germany. Not a US-exclusive problem.
Lying is easy and takes less time. Real news requires going places, interviewing people, fact checking, and presenting it in a professional manner.
It’s no wonder the right wing media ecosystem is bigger.
Lying is easy and takes less time.
A lot of these shows go hand-in-glove with traditional media. The police-blotter style coverage of local news, wherein a handful of old white people bemoan the latest string of young black man violent crimes gets picked up and fed into the Podcast Racism Engine and spat out as the show’s Two-Minute Hate of the day.
Then you have a congo-line of ex-military blowhards telling you how they got rich trading in their service pensions for crypto futures. You have the usual suspects lineup of incel sex pests complaining that America’s Newest Supermodel isn’t hot enough or isn’t Trad Enough, in between reading sponsor copy for whatever PR company paid them to say said Supermodel’s name twenty times in a given episode. You have interviews with C-list politicians who come on the show to cry about how you can’t say the N-word anymore, on account of the Woke. You have middling athletes at the end of their careers complain about how Transgender high schoolers are ruining the sport. You have middling songwriters at the end of their careers complain about how they pay too much in taxes and hate all three of their ex-wives. You have middling screenwriters demo a pilot episode of a cartoon series about Real Americans forced to use pronouns at gunpoint, then point you to the conservative version of Kickstarter with the promise of a full series that’ll never get produced once they have your money. And holy shit will you get an earful about Jesus.
All this takes a bunch of time and networking and tons of money to grease the wheels. Charlie Kirk ain’t doing this shit for free. But it’s stacked up like any classic MLM, with the kingpins racking in disproportionately more than any of their minions or guests.
It’s short-sighted to say these operations are just faster than traditional journalism, though. Lots of the names on that board have been bouncing around for decades. This is a long term, heavily financed, hugely lucrative propaganda machine. It dates back to the Nixon Era (arguably earlier) and quite a few folks have gone to their graves helping to build it.
Man it’s fucking wild seeing the US become split over political sides like they are sports teams.
ThE LeFt cOntRols The nArAtiVe
Left snowflakes are treading on me snaek!
Asmongold…you have got to be shitting me. imagine getting your “news” from a guy that used a dead rat as an alarm clock, wipes the blood from his gums on his bedroom wall, used to routinely eat snacks that had maggots in them, and treats drinking water like it’s poison.
A guy who could barely play WoW and left his main account on twitch because making money from viewers on that was “too stressful” proceeds to start an alt channel where he nows grifts the right for money.
Shitstaingold: “Muh Superior Western Culture”
Also Shitstaingold: “I never clean my room, have roaches, and never wash my hands”
🤣
I dunno who this person is… But this chart was apparently made my Media Matters according to the credits at the bottom.
Growing up in the 90s, teachers and adults were always saying “the geek shall inherit the Earth” or shit like that. We were told we would create a progressive and peaceful tech utopia with a post-scarcity economy where no one goes without.
Well, we did inherit the earth. And all that happened was hateful fucking dirtbags like Asmongold getting paid to play video games and wormtongue their far right incel bullshit into our kid’s ears.
Chosen of Nurgle
I don’t get why people dislike him so much. You don’t have to agree with everything he says, and he presents stuff pretty honestly. If you don’t like it, just don’t watch it
I don’t watch him, and neither should you. He’s a con artist. It’s painfully obvious he’s grifting his viewer base with his “hot takes”. He doesn’t present jack shit honestly. Remember when he called the Palestinian people “inferior”? He discovered he could milk people like you for money by saying the most dumb shit and you eat it up like pigs eating shit.
Idk, his reaction content just comes up on my second monitor once in a while. I’ve never given him anything. I think it’s healthy to take in opinions other than my own, and I don’t get brainwashed by media personalities, but then again, I’m not American
The man is a biohazard that I can smell through the monitor.
You need to take a hard look at your life, and maybe seek some therapy
Alright buddy
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Would be interesting to see a funding source overlay on this
Is this graph supposed to be useful in any way? It excludes a huge number of voices from the left and also have a bunch of circles without names and just some random 1.1m or 2m NR on them but without any indication of who they represent more than their color.
I don’t understand why bubbles with seemingly random positions was chosen to represent this data.
is why
They get funding, that much is obvious. It was the same story with the Nazis who got massive support from obvious sources.
Yep. “influencers” make their content free. Big newspapers with national reach just refuse to be read online, they want subscriptions.
There’s some good community papers but they don’t get much reach because the Internet doesn’t necessarily show you local stuff
Most of the ones labeled “left” here are pushing center right talking points at best.
The actual leftist online sources, like African Stream, are straight up banned from the platforms. The right wing sources dominate because they don’t challenge corporate interests, and are not subject to censorship.
The young turks turned far right over night once Harris lost.
Last I saw them was them saying the left needs to start treating trans people shittier because my"most Americans are transphobic" and if we ever want to win an election again, we have to be transphobic.
As a trans person myself dating another trans person, where are we supposed to go?
How do you even talk to these people? The left is transphobic, you’re just calling the centre-right the left and stopping there.
Feels like the conversation can go no where because they view the left as just things they don’t agree with
They go where the money is.
i was going to say, there are some other things on here mislabeled as blue
It wasn’t over night. For example, their support for harris was far right in the first place.
TYT is left? Excuse the fuck out of me? Lmfao last I heard TYT was russia funded
I haven’t even heard of TYT in years. Somehow they still have 12m viewers? Do people listen to them to fall asleep or something lol
They showed up on my feed when I got real into police accountability/1st amendment audits on YT. They used to do some coverage of really outrageous police interactions, but they’ve been swinging hard at turning the argument from “accountability” to “don’t resist”. Not my cup of mud
Them deciding to name themselves after the party that committed the Armenian genocide, the event according to which the term was defined, is especially heinous. It’s like calling a show NSDAP live.
Lotta fucking idiots on that chart.
Left and right. Hasan is the Tucker Carlson of the left.
What’s wrong with Hasan? He seemed fine last I knew.
He went unhinged in the last few years.
Said Crimea is Russian territory.
Backs China’s takeover of Tibet.
Backs the “reeducation camps” China has for the Uyghurs.
Plays Houthi terrorist propaganda videos and backs Hezbollah.
He went from a reasonable Bernie supporter to a full blown tankie in just a few years.
Based
america deserved 911.
I mean we deserve far worse than 9/11, not that killing a few thousand civilians has the potential to move things in a positive direction, a lesson america still hasn’t learned.
Crimea is Russian territory.
Crimea has been administered by Russia for years now, like it or not, its currently Russian territory and is likely to remain so in the near to mid future. In the 20+ year term though, who knows what Russia will look like, you don’t sell 10 and 20Y bonds with 17% rates without consequences.
China’s takeover of Tibet
I have my criticisms of the CPC, but liberating Tibet from the theocratic, slave-owning Lamas is not one of them. Theres a reason when we dropped a bunch of gusanos into Tibet and gave them weapons, instead of sparking a rebellion, they were lynched by their former slaves.
Backs the “reeducation camps” China has for the Uyghurs.
It was better than earlier policies, somewhat successful, though it could have been done more competently seemed like the general consensus when I was in Urumqi earlier. Theres more nuance than I was able to parse with my limited knowlege and language, so I dont have any solid opinions here, but I am certain that knowledge is greater than someone who has never been there and gets their understanding from other people who have never been there.
Plays Houthi terrorist propaganda videos and backs Hezbollah.
They’ve been the defacto state for a decade now, they’re defending against a genocide, what exactly are you getting out of handringing over this?
Defending against genocide by conducting terrorist attacks on ships, killing the crew and taking them hostage? Crews that have fuck all to do with Israel?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_the_Eternity_C
Your tankie test came back. It’s terminal.
They are fulfilling their obligations under the convention on genocide by using every means at their disposal to stop a genocide. Or were you under the impression they were risking their lives and what little wealth they have to enforce a blockade because they hate boats and love the feeling of terror?
He’s just an influencer, but he’s better than most. I just hate influencers. It’s not a good aspect of our system.
Not sure I trust the methodology here. I would’ve expected shows like The Ezra Klein Show or Pod Save America to be fairly big on the left here (and on the Apple Podcast charts, TEKS is ahead in rank of some that are listed here, PSA not far behind).
The description of the methodology is not very clear. For example, it’s unclear what they consider a “show”, what their search strategy was to arrive at their initial list of shows, and how the raters determined whether a show was leaning left or right (i.e., some of this is described but not in a way that would make it reproducible, and there seems to be some gut feel involved). The exclusion of shows produced by TV stations makes sense but excludes more left- than rightwing sources.
I don’t doubt that right-wing shows have the upper hand in the non-traditional media market and agree this is a problem, but this project may be exaggerating the difference a bit.
Pretty Ezra Klein is a genocidal fascist not a leftist…
According to .world, supporting genocide is the moral leftist ideal, and if you don’t support genocide you’re a fascist.
They also think the sky is yellow and the everyone wears a goatee in their mirror universe.
pod save
left
Did something change? Last I knew they were insufferable libs
Same with Ezra Klein, who is representing the enlightened center.
To me, Ezra Klein is a pretty clear example of a left-leaning US political commentator. Not a far-left one, sure, but still one I would firmly expect to show up on the left-leaning side of this list. I know that ratings like this are far from perfect, but the AllSides media bias rating seems to agree (though marked as initial/low confidence): https://www.allsides.com/news-source/ezra-klein
Based on your evaluation, what would be an example of a commentator that leans moderately left (like just left of center) to you?
Someone else already replied, but I personally consider centrism as the whole middle range of the dial, so to speak, and not just the point directly in its “middle.” So if someone is a corporate apologist and they maybe have some socially lefty views but then they regularly bag on actual leftists and espouse “abundance” that’s basically a handout to real estate developers instead of actually addressing wealth inequality—then I consider them a centrist.
Ezra Klein is a pretty clear example of a left-leaning US political commentator.
Fascism and genocide are directly opposed to leftism.
what would be an example of a commentator that leans moderately left (like just left of center) to you?
Hasan maybe. Dude is a capitalist creep but does tend to promote some actual leftism.
Fascism and genocide are directly opposed to leftism.
Liberal leftism yes but not socicalist and communist leftism.
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