I’de love to see a bit more discussions about Linux.
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Seriously, I don’t even know who that guy is
Tim Linux. He’s a good guy.
Lol fuck off.
Might be a hot take, but Lemmy Culture is good, actually. It isn’t homogenous, instances have unique cultures that might fit your needs and interests better.
I wouldn’t change that, federation and defederation does bring drama, but it also brings really cool micro communities.
I like that it is more inclusive than the DUMBster fire that is reddit.
While it is very left leaning, because the entire world is left leaning, other views so get presented and debated (and downvoted), but they are not filtered out and insta-permabanned. It is way more engaging.
other views so get presented and debated (and downvoted), but they are not filtered out and insta-permabanned. It is way more engaging.
this is my favorite quality of the lemmyverse; you’re not required to follow the groupthink out of fear of being banned and the plethora of viewpoints guarantees that groupthink isn’t as powerful as it is on reddit or twitter.
It’s important that the discourse is visible and thoughtfully debated (as possible).
you’ll be lucky to get thoughtful debate in this country; our discourse is devolved into looking for a chance to dunk on the other person to enrage them enough to quit. the trick to getting anything out of it is to keep your cool.
Personally I’d like to change the fact that every memes comment section is just serious conversation. Where’s the whimsy, where’s the tomfoolery folks
It’s time to be silly then :3
Yeah. I’ve seen so many rabidly political responses to memes. Lighten up folks!
I had to go back to my feed and check but I actually get very little in the way of meme posts. That may be the way I have my feed filtered though. I would welcome quality memes, but I also may be starting to age out of what is being created at this point
The smug self righteous attitudes in the comments. People here need to loosen up and stop being deathly serious about things.
It seems like everyone is here to have snarky little “I’m more right than you” arguments.
I think its a hangover from twitter, that you also see a lot in mastodon. One-upmanship seems more suited to user-following platforms where gaining social cred is more important for spreading ideas than the quality of the content.
Currently in one of those rn
I am extremely offended by this and you are evil for making me feel offended! How dare you! Everyone, flock to me with messages of support and shun this person for saying something so offensive!
I can’t be evil I use Linux and only FOSS programs.
Yes, but how much carbon emissions were released by this comment?
I second this!
100%. People seem to be competing for some moral high ground constantly no matter where.
This will likely be an unpopular opinion here, but if you thought reddit was politically opinionated, holy hell Lemmy is 1000 times worse. I’m left leaning myself, but the majority of the posters here make me look like a moderate. There are even times when the rhetoric I see is approaching the level of toxicity I see from right-wing internet goers.
Fewer political in general is what I want, but it would be nice to see some actual diversity of opinions. Echo chambers are good for absolutely no one.
This will likely be an unpopular opinion here, but if you thought reddit was politically opinionated, holy hell Lemmy is 1000 times worse.
That’s largely because few people choose Lemmy over Reddit for practical reasons, the real underlying reasons are generally political and ideological differences with Reddit.
I’m left leaning myself, but the majority of the posters here make me look like a moderate.
The majority of Lemmy users (outside of liberal instances like Lemmy.world) are leftists of some sort, ie Marxists or Anarchists. Lemmy’s federated structure and FOSS nature make it appealing to anticapitalists, and the lead devs are Marxists.
There are even times when the rhetoric I see is approaching the level of toxicity I see from right-wing internet goers.
Kinda? People with strong beliefs strongly challenge different beliefs.
Fewer political in general is what I want, but it would be nice to see some actual diversity of opinions. Echo chambers are good for absolutely no one.
You’re not going to find a place devoid of politics unless you make an instance banning all talk, and even then people will dance around the subject. Everything is political.
As for “echo-chambers,” I actually disagree. As a Marxist, I have far more productive conversations with other Marxists about Marxism than I do with liberals. Diverse thoughts don’t necessarily mean productive conversations.
As an in between social dem and Marxism
I think that’s the source of most of your problems, really. There isn’t really a coherent ideology that can be described in that manner, Marxists don’t believe the state can be reformed into Socialism and Social Democrats don’t think Socialism is necessary.
I feel like generally people here are pretty cool with most opinions but leans left significantly. There is still lemmy.ml, hexbear and lemmygrad that is very toxic and an echo chamber.
Pretty much every instance can be described as an “echo chamber.” Lemmy.world is right-leaning and is dominated by Liberals, for example. Hexbear is anti-sectarian, meaning Marxists and Anarchists are allowed, just not liberalism. As for toxicity, I find Hexbear to be one of the least toxic, especially when compared to Lemmy.world.
All in all, Lemmyis definitely going to continue to be predominantly leftists unless instances outright defederate from Marxists, like Lemmy.world does, hence the current right-wing leaning.
Four point on lemmy. I have some comments the between social dem and Marxism line though.
Well… I think public private partnerships are the way to go with profit sharing and workers being a part of the decision making process. I also think a lot of industries should be handled by the government or have a government company that is strictly non-profit. People should also have the choice of a free Internet connection if they don’t want to pay for high speeds and public transportation should be free and good. Social housing should be built in massive quantities and nimbyism should not outweigh the benefits of the people.
Taxing negative effects on people via pollution should be taxed out of existence. Natural resources should be state-owned and work for the benefit of the people. Compaign donations should be illegal and loopholes should be closed.
These are all policies that are Marxism inspired but they still keep the capitalist element and a market economy. I think a market economy can be good but really needs a firm hand to guide it so it doesn’t fuck everything up.
I believe that this area of policies should be explored more and instead of just saying “Marxism is best” then think about what an economy with 70%-90% collectively owned would look like.
Well… I think public private partnerships are the way to go with profit sharing and workers being a part of the decision making process. I also think a lot of industries should be handled by the government or have a government company that is strictly non-profit. People should also have the choice of a free Internet connection if they don’t want to pay for high speeds and public transportation should be free and good. Social housing should be built in massive quantities and nimbyism should not outweigh the benefits of the people.
This is what I am talking about, actually. You’re currently talking about what you want, without analysis of how to get there. That’s why Marxism is incompatible with Social Democracy. Marxists don’t believe you can simply vote that into existence in a system where Capitalists have.all of the power.
Taxing negative effects on people via pollution should be taxed out of existence. Natural resources should be state-owned and work for the benefit of the people. Compaign donations should be illegal and loopholes should be closed.
Lots of shoulds without discussing how to get there.
These are all policies that are Marxism inspired but they still keep the capitalist element and a market economy. I think a market economy can be good but really needs a firm hand to guide it so it doesn’t fuck everything up.
It’s not really Marxist inspired, though. It erases all analysis of Capitalism, all philosophical aspects, and all of the revolutionary aspects of it. Social safery nets are good, but that’s not necessarily borne from Marxism. Simply thinking a market economy can be good is already far off of Marxism.
I believe that this area of policies should be explored more and instead of just saying “Marxism is best” then think about what an economy with 70%-90% collectively owned would look like.
I think this is ultimately born from a lack of engagement with Marx’s works, really, though I could be wrong. What have you read from Marx?
I like the ideology of socialism where workers control the means of production but I think a revolution will always put the power in the hands of the few as a by-product. I agree with Marx on a lot of points, but I also disagree with him on others.
Rest assured that this is my own opinion and I seriously thought about it over a couple of years and came to my own conclusion. You can frame the conclusion simply as this:
Capitalism does a lot of bad, capitalism also does a lot of good (think cheaper food production and more investment into equipment for productivity). So there are two solutions. Remove capitalism or remove the bad. In my opinion removing capitalism is a surefire way to remove the bad but will also remove the good. Removing the bad from capitalism is a lot more complex and turns a sprint into a marathon but I think the end product will lead to a more equitable society that’s genuinely controlled by the people.
That’s my personal opinion.
I like the ideology of socialism where workers control the means of production but I think a revolution will always put the power in the hands of the few as a by-product. I agree with Marx on a lot of points, but I also disagree with him on others.
Historically, Socialist revolutions have done dramatic shifts towards democratization of production.
Capitalism does a lot of bad, capitalism also does a lot of good (think cheaper food production and more investment into equipment for productivity). So there are two solutions. Remove capitalism or remove the bad. In my opinion removing capitalism is a surefire way to remove the bad but will also remove the good. Removing the bad from capitalism is a lot more complex and turns a sprint into a marathon but I think the end product will lead to a more equitable society that’s genuinely controlled by the people
Cheaper food production and investment into machinery is a core part of Marxism, achieved via central planning. Removing Capitalism doesn’t remove these aspects.
Secondly, you don’t mention at all how you will convince the ruling class to give you these concessions, it isn’t a marathon, it’s pushing a boulder up an infinite mountain.
Thirdly, you have not at all explained why Capitalism is more controlled by the people, the point of Capitalism is profit in the hands of the ones who hold the Capital. Democratically controlling production via Marxism makes far more sense.
It’s fine to have a personal opinion, but Marxists are going to have similar criticisms of your opinions.
I absolutely feel the same. Notice how you had to point out you’re left leaning? That just shows how militant and aggressive Lemmy can be that you have to state that just in case.
I like Lemmy, I just wish it was a little less stubborn (and I say that as a left leaning person).
Some of the rhetoric here after the attempted assassination on Trump was really terrible.
I’ve been a big left winger for years but I still think wishing death on others who are politically opposed to you is absolutely awful. These are people who who claim to be on the moral high ground but who are apparently quite unaware of how hypocritical they sound.
Can you imagine what these same people would be saying had the assassination been made on Biden instead of Trump?
Sometimes it’s quite apparent how little there is that seperates us from the animals.
I wish people would stop treating people from instances as a monolith.
This coming from a tan— oh. Yah.
Haha got a giggle out of me.
Folks also often confuse lemmy.ml with lemmygrad.ml
Especially lemmy.ml users.
I’d love people on Limmy would quit posting links to Reddit.
Right now, Lemmy seems very tech-focused - which is understandable, as it’s mostly tech geeks that use this platform. I’d like to see a wider variety of interests here, more things outside of technology/Linux/Star Trek/etc.
If we want Lemmy to become more popular, we need to appeal to the mainstream Internet users.
It’s the inverse that is true actually -
As Lemmy becomes more popular it will drift from being so tech focused.
Many popular sites gradually drifted off of tech focus as their user base grew. R*ddit is a prime example of how a very nerdy niche site grew and shifted to be popular (sorta) organically.
I do think that for all the hullabaloo about Ellen Pao and banning a bunch of subreddits - that actually did more to open the place up to users who were otherwise driven away by /r/FatPeopleHate and /r/Jailbait being on the front page all the time.
If Lemmy were to change to attract users it would likely be from increased defederation with instances that are less palatable to mainstream society.
I think an important step to making Lemmy more popular is making sure it actually shows up in search engines. I don’t know enough to say how though
The objective ought to be more engagement, not more users.
If lemmy goes from 200 posts about Linux a day to a thousand posts about Linux a day, I will leave. Fuck that shit
Hey, good to see you here.
If we want Lemmy to become more popular, we need to appeal to the mainstream Internet users.
I was thinking about it the other day, I feel like the vast majority of Internet users are now on Facebook/Instagram/Tiktok/Twitter/Discord depending on their age and demographics.
Text-based forums are probably not appealing to most of them
Text-based forums are probably not appealing to most of them
That’s a good point.
The fact that it’s mostly like Reddit and people mostly act like redditors.
There’s not really a way around it though.
And for the parts that don’t function like Reddit, it is worse.
I mean, ignoring the whole federation/syndication/self hostability/freedom/raison d’etre parts, yeah.
You could argue it was the whole point. The rest of fediverse is significantly different, and you can still interact with lemmy from there.
Don’t know why you are down voted. I didn’t leave reddit because I disliked the platform, I left because I disliked the leadership. Lemmy is an attempt at creating a similar platform.
I don’t mean in terms of how the platform operates, I mean the people.
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I feel like the last remnants of the New Atheists have retreated onto lemmy. Often when you reference spirituality, religion, or even reflections on group dynamics and psychology that doesn’t portray humans as perfectly rational self-interest decision-making machines, you get raided by these edgy “facts and logic” kids that are extremely annoying.
On reddit, they are contained in their own zoos, while here they seem to pile up even in generalist communities. It feels like 2012 all over again.
My absolute 100% main response to this topic is, by far and away, “TOO MUCH FUCKING EDGINESS”. In all its forms. I say this as a staunch atheist. Get the fuck over yourself, lemmy.
Perhaps a bot to auto ban quotes from ben shapiro or jordan peterson?
I want the bot that replies with horrendous shit they did or said whenever they’re mentioned.
You mean repeating the same post?
I always find it interesting how they largely just seem to have switched dogmatic stances from some religion to atheism.
The real logical stance is “I do not know if this is true or not because it is unprovable”.
They look down on true believers while being true believers in atheism themselves.
Atheism is just rejecting the claim that Hod or a specific God claim exists, it isn’t claiming that you believe with certainty he does not. I am an agnostic atheist, I reject the claim that the Jewish, Christian, whatever God exists and in fact positively believe they do not exist because of its self-contradictory nature. I admit that there might be a higher power that created our universe and is outside of time, etc, but it’s unknown/unknowable.
More witty and funny answers in the comment section. Out of thousands of commenters you could get a few gems that make you ‘spit your coffee at the screen, goddamn you’.
Nothing. I theorize that the good people who looked at Spez with disgust left Reddit. I’d rather not have the power tripping cucks who made Reddit bad come here
HackerNews has one of the best downvoting rules I’ve ever seen - you can’t downvote someone replying to you. I think that simple change massively changes the way karma works.
They also arbitrarily don’t allow you to reply to lots which is annoying. I often have follow-up questions (legit ones, not comebacks or other crap) that I can’t do anything about :(
But I agree, its generally terrible etiquette to downvote something someone has contributed to you if its goodfaith and also, assuming your thing is visible people are gonna see it and your interests are linked so its just silly, bottom-line
Let their compatriotd be their downvotes
Low-karma accounts are rate-limited. I don’t know what the threshold is, but that goes away after you gain some karma.
I def have some(not quite 1000) but had some pretty popular comments
From what I can tell, all the karma thresholds are dynamic and probably only knowable by admins. If nearly 1000 isn’t enough to avoid rate limiting then they sound pretty aggressive.
From my perspective HN’s approach seems to do pretty well at mitigating bad behavior, but might be a little too hard on newcomers and casual users.
I’d love it if we let it develop organically.
In what way(s) is it not doing precisely that?
You know what never develop organically? Corporate social media platforms.
I think they’re referring to people casually mentioning that growth is desirable, which comes across as corpo think.
As you say, that perspective doesn’t have any direct relevance, but is does have impact. For example regarding the decision to defederate from threads.
Totally with you. Just want to say that there is certain growth that comes organically that isn’t necessarily desirable.
For example many subs would start out cool and informative and then as they grew it somehow attracted an idiot crowd that was only capable of sharing memes. Or they group shift into some extreme perspectives.
We like to emulate Reddit for no good reason
