Gentle reminder to everyone that support for #windows10 ends in about 90 weeks. Many computers can’t upgrade to Win 11 so here are your options:
- Continue on Win 10 but with higher security risks.
- Buy new and expensive hardware that supports Win11.
- Try a beginner friendly #Linux distro like #linuxmint. It only takes about two months to acclimate.
I know people like to hate on windows here but come on: 90 weeks is another ~18 months. It’s near the end of 2025.
While absolutely true, what you’re saying, saying 90 weeks instead of any alternative (630 days!) Is just trying to make it sounds worse than it is to push an agenda.
You’re leaving out the context that the time limit should be way longer given how long previous versions of Windows have been supported. Ending Windows 10 support when they are is a deliberate effort to force adoption of Windows 11 and avoid the embarrassment of Windows 8’s failure. They learned it’s better to scare users into compliance than to actually attract them with well developed, feature rich software. The hardware requirements just make it more egregious.
Stop giving Microsoft the benefit of the doubt, they have demonstrated more than enough times they don’t deserve it. This is them strong arming users into doing something they don’t want to do, and it should be rightfully called out for what it is: shitty.
the time limit should be way longer given how long previous versions of Windows have been supported.
What version would that be?
- Windows XP: 2001-10-25 to 2014-04-08, ~12.5 years
- Windows Vista: 2007-01-30 to 2017-04-11, ~10 years
- Windows 7: 2009-10-22 to 2020-01-14, ~10 years
- Windows 8/8.1: 2012-10-26 to 2023-01-10, ~10 years
- Windows 10: 2015-07-29 to 2025-10-14, ~10 years
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions
90 weeks is more like 20 month and i could calculate that off of my head by knowing that a year has 52 weeks. I would have struggled more with days.
You could make this criticism about any date metric that it gets more or less easy to translate into a different metric.
Weeks are perfectly fine and most commonly used in the business context.
Your point about weeks is irrelevant, if OP wanted to be clear with the information they would have said the easiest term (about 2 years)
How is “about two years” more clear? about two years for me subjectively means everything between 20 and 28 month. Do you know how much time that is? about half a year. But for someone else it might mean 22 and 26 month. Or 18 and 30 month.
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You have 5443200 seconds to make your choice.
What agenda? Freedom? Geesh, kid…
How long until Steam drops support on W10?
That’s the important event, lol
Probably around the time developers to start requiring W11. That TPM requirement is going to be abused to hell and back.
I am using windows 10 on my tv pc so that’s all I cae about.
Well they only just dropped support for Win7 and that came out in 2009.
But…but…I was told W10 was the last OS I’d ever have to install!!
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While Microsoft Vice President for Operating Systems Terry Myerson didn’t exactly say that when he kicked off the Jan. 21 presentation of the company’s plans for Windows 10, that message was still clear.Extrapolation by the writer in order to generate clicks by having a catchy headline? Impossible!
Microsoft just mentioned that the update procedure would make it so users running out of date and unsafe machines on the internet would not be an issue anymore, not that they would support W10 forever.
Jerry Nixon definitely said Windows 10 would be the last big release of windows, and for years, sourced reporting parroted that there will be no Windows 11.
“Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10,” said Jerry Nixon, Microsoft’s developer evangelist, at the Ignite tech conference.
There’s no shortage of the claim being made by MS staff during keynote speeches, and those same people being quoted saying as much in reporting by TechRadar, The Verge, PC Mag, Ars Technica, CNET, for example.
I understand you want people to switch to Linux but
- 90 weeks is far away. It drops in October 2025
- You’ll still get security updates for a few years
- After that there will be paid support which people will get around and find ways to install
- Windows 10 LTSC (best version of Windows IMO) still exists. The Enterprise LTSC version will have support till 2027 and the IoT version will have support till 2032. You can get them if you know how to look around
All the more time for Valve to expand on Proton and push Linux compatibility, and for EA and the rest to get their thumbs out of their collective asses and support it at all
Its quite difficult to get legit LTSC licenses unless you’re a large org.
Last time I looked into it anyway. You can buy ltsc keys from third parties but AFAIK Microsoft will deactivate the license if they realize how you acquired it.
I’ll just leave this here for educational purposes https://massgrave.dev/ https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts
Yeah I wasn’t talking about getting it the legal way. They don’t care unless you’re a business.
I don’t get why people are removing support for Windows 10. Nobody likes Windows 11 and Windows 10 is the most popular operating system with no change of that in sight.
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Oh I wouldn’t doubt it but what really kept me from touching it was them “testing” putting advertisements in the file explorer. Hard fuckin pass.
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So just a minute ago I thought “Get fucked, HP” and now I’m thinking “Get fucked, Microsoft”. What a day.
These are both thoughts you should hold in perpetuity anyhow.
90 weeks? I guess I can have another baby, and then after a while make a decision on what to do with my W10 VM installation
VMs can emulate TPM cant they? Win11 still sucks but at least it will work.
There is a TPM emulation, yes, 1.1, 2.0 - you choose
it’s gonna be “funny”: I won’t create a personal account to login to crap 11 (because why should I, if you can’t login to a desktop OS without a 3rd party account, that’s not an OS, but a gatekeeper shit), which is mandatory. So, my work machine will become unusable, therefore in fact Microsoft put my work therefore my livelihood in danger… [edit: typos]
It’s not mandatory to have an account to run win11. Press shift+f10 during the install to open a command prompt. Enter OOBE\BYPASSNRO into the prompt, system will reboot, disconnect the internet, when it prompts you for internet click “I don’t have internet”.
And why didn’t they just do this as the default?
Its to stop idiots downloading cat videos and infecting the system with ransomware.
How does having a Live account prevent that?
What happens if you don’t have internet connected in the first place?
Without that command, it will not let you continue without an internet connection. If you do it a lot (I do it roughly once a week) then you can modify the installer directly.
work machine
You do not need a Microsoft account to join a domain.
if your sys admin keeps TPM on - and they would have to be nuts to turn it off - you’ll be opening an account.
I’m a certified Microsoft hater, but man, 90 weeks? I get it, we want Gnu-Linux to be more streamlined, but his is certainly not the way. This is tech fearmongering.
People can also get an extra 3 years of extended updates, at that point TPM 2.0 integration in consumer devices will be close to 10 years old…
It’s also possible to install W11 without TPM 2.0 and from what I’ve seen, it works without any issues.
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A thing I wish more Linux enthusiasts were more up front about: And prepare for PAPER CUTS! Because they’re there. Most Linux folks ^1 probably do 5-6 things a day that new folks would find confusing or infuriating, just because they Get Used To It.
A perfect example: My Linux desktop is a System76 Thelio-r2 running Manjaro KDE latest, which I LOVE. Every time I boot it up, if I want to use my BT speakers or headphones ^2 I have to go into the BT settings panel, wonder why it says “Bluetooth Disabled - Enable Bluetooth”, click the button, and move on with my day.
Turns out this is because of a kernel bug in the latest kernel versions with Intel bluetooth hardware. The driver times out at system boot, and thus the system is disabled by default. By the time you’re fully booted, that time out never happens so if you just click Enable, you’re good to go.
And these things are additive. They pile up and increase frustration for end users who aren’t savvy enough to know which forums to search on or what search terms to pump into their search engines.
This does not mean you shouldn’t try Linux. Please do! It can be a life changer and a serious power up! But be aware that the path will have many small roadblocks that need to be traversed, so just set your expectations accordingly, explore and have fun!
^1: I use Windows, Linux and Mac as need dictates. Let “tool to task” be the whole of the law :)
^2: Perfect example: Many Linux users wouldn’t use Bluetooth speakers! They’d get wired ones or one of those RF thingies that has long time Linux driver support. But if you’re new, you don’t know that!
I gave Manjaro a shot recently and Bluetooth was 90% unusable for anything but my mouse. Keyboard? Nope. Headset? Nope. Other headset? Nope. Bluetooth speaker? Nope. Unfortunately, it is a brand new Intel motherboard, so I can’t even get WiFi as athk12 or whatever isn’t really done. I was shocked I could get bluetooth to work at all. Sound wasn’t that great through a USB headset either, but then I could at least hear people. For me, I can really only use trackballs now and the USB port on the mouse is for charging only. Bluetooth compatibility is very very important to me and it still being shitty on any system in 2024 blows my damn mind.
Only other potential issue would be something with how Proxmox is doing passthrough, but I had just as much trouble pairing with Debian underneath through the terminal as I did with the Manjaro VM. On another note, the GPU passthrough is amazing and I had a good time playing games for the first time on Linux. This machine was never intended for gaming, but I thought it would be fun to take a server to a LAN party. Sliger case for the win! Just a 3U.
Yeah, “brand new” hardware is rough in the Linux-verse :) I think Linux advocates need to be more up front with that as well. Quite a number of them are rocking 15 year old Thinkpads because that’s what they read will maximize compatibility.
Seriously considering the switch. I already have basic familiarity because of work with raspi.
In the past, it’s been support for adobe suite that has stopped me. My livelihood depends on it. Afaik theres still no native version. Can it run on wine? If so, is there a performance hit?
Older versions of some Adobe software will run, but generally no.
You can have both. I hear dual booting has gotten a lot safer lately, but I prefer to keep windows contained in a virtual machine, which has the added benefit of snapshots for when windows update eventually does something I didn’t approve. Maintaining windows is so much less stressful when it’s not running on bare metal.
If you’re very worried about performance, then you probably will need new hardware by the time you need to make this decision anyway. I’ve never actually purchased windows directly; I just find an upgrade that bundles an OEM key if I need a new Windows.
Some Adobe stuff runs in a web browser nowadays through WASM but if you’ve submitted to Adobe, Linux likely won’t be a possibility.
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Option3: give and give hard to reactos and hope for a usable product by win10s death
Why if there are so good gnulinux distros nowadays and most software is already working there?
That is so misleading, when you can just disable the TPM 2.0 requirements with a single click in Rufus
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And then hardly anything will work, so whats the point ?
If your system doesn’t have a TPM chip, you can still emulate it in softtware, but then everything will run like molasses, so again basically poitnless.
I have installed Windows 11 on my old Thinkpad x230 and everything works as it should. You are just talking out of your ass
