Total monthly posts exploded after Spez enshitified Reddit, and is still growing steadily month over month.
That suggests that the current decline in monthly active users is primarily because lurkers who only came to lemmy after initially hearing about it on Reddit, went back to lurking Reddit.
The number of users that are contributors is still growing, and that’s what’s important.
Thanks for the positive news!!
There’s also folks like me who came, 15 years on Reddit and I haven’t been back.
Those of us who actually interacted with the platform and left aren’t going back.
I’m close to that too, but I think mine was 13 years. The weird thing that I’ve noticed is that most of the time I was on Reddit, almost no one I talked to in real life used Reddit. I struggled for years to try to get people to check the site out. Now that I left, I swear I hear someone I know mention Reddit exponentially more often. The average person doesn’t give a damn about how shitty the platform has become, because they weren’t around to see what it used to be. The average person WANTS to see ads interspersed with their cookie cutter content with stupid ass features like chat and followers. Good riddance.
Same, 13 years redditor here. And since I came to Lemmy in June, I posted over 1k posts because I love this platform and want it to grow. Fuck reddit.
Yup, that’s me, too.
Agreed. First they killed RedditGifts, then AMAs, then the up vote/down vote debacle, and when they took away my ability to use Relay is when I left. Screw them.
I’m yet to encounter the majority of issues I hear Lemmings griping about. Everyone has been pretty civil toward me. Every time my inbox blows up I feel dread, only to open it and find zero confrontation or vitriol. I’m not running into any racists, sexists, bigots, etc., and I certainly haven’t noticed a decline in content (I browse Top ~6 Hours).
I realize my personal experience doesn’t equate to these problems not existing, but I do get the strong impression that people are exaggerating greatly.
Exactly my experience as well. Sure, I don’t have infinite scroll, but I also don’t feel like an algorithm is trying to make me angry. When I get responses, they’re typically thoughtful or on topic.
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Depends on the client you are using.
For phone or tablets try using the Voyager native app.
For browser try m.lemmy.world which is just the web version of Voyager.
There are other clients like old.lemmy.world for that “authentic” feel.
I’ve been active for a month and in my opinion too many users have radicalised and extremist mindsets, but other than that it’s alright.
Going back to reddit would mean to install that unbearable app they have and having to deal with incompetent admins, so I will stay here for some time.
I can see why it’s off-putting for a lot of people though.
many users have radicalised and extremist mindsets,
I think thats the whole internet nowdays, unless you decide to exclusivelly consume cat content (and even then theres gonna be a way to jam in extremist political views by some nutter somehow).
Although i have to admit that the ones here are of a diferent breed than most, mainly tankies and people on that side of the compass (and yes they are very annoying about it).
One upside to lemmy is that ,at least up untill now, the mods and admins are very neutral and i rarelly see deleted comments (or maybe they are hidden… i dunno) and that theres genuine free speech in here, i mean if you whant you can look at my comment history, i get downvoted to oblivion most of the time but my comments are still up and not censored.
Although there is this weird thing on other instances (im in sh.itjust.works and they dont do this i know i tryied it) that delete words on peoples comments and posts, mainly slurs and politically incorrect words. Really, i seen that some months before, dont know if it still like that now with the world users, but if you type something like fa***t in .world you will get “deleted” in that word specifically irc
Do I understand it correct that the comment would stay but the word would get censored?
Yes, try it if you whant, my instance does allow that type of words.
Dont know about yours though.
You can always delete it after the fact if it makes you uncomfortable having it in your comment history
I don’t know how to feel about it, gives me some “spez editing the database to change comments” vibes.
I guess I would feel better to just get notified that my comment got removed.
Or is it just a displaying option based on the instance you logged in with and it gets filtered on the display side and a different instance user would still see the original?
Indeed it does, thats why i shit so much on political extremeism, it inevitably ends in censorship.
My advice would be that if it makes you feel uncomfortable (and you still whant to use lemmy), change instances, like i said, shit.just.works doesnt do that, dont know which other instances do and doesnt. I think lemmy.ml absolutelly does.
If you share a thought on a Biden/Trump thread, an Israel/Palestine thread, or another topic that attracts strong views, and your opinion is different than the hive, expect some vitriol and confrontation.
I’ve run into it while seriously looking for debate or productive conversation.
My only issue is the lack of small communities that get posts frequently, and yeah, duh, I should contribute, but theres only so much I can say about my transness.
One thing I miss about reddit is just being able to endlessly read about peoples experiences and stupid shitty trans memes, thats just missing here right now
Exactly this. My small Reddit communities had a few posts per day. The equivalent on Lemmy have a few per year. Still, I don’t miss them enough to go back.
Yeah I’m not going back, just had to substitute with some discord servers so I’m not tempted. After that, I’m good lol
I’m still seeing so much growth in new content and communities, idk if the raw number of users is the metric we even should care about. Is it the best measure of quality?
I also think a big part of it is how active users are counted. Saw in a different thread that it only counts accounts who have commented or posted in the last month. Well… I browse and vote on probably an average of 30-50 posts and many of their comments every single day, but the last comment I left was over a month ago.
I also wonder if the active user count is counting people who made multiple accounts across different instances and was therefore always massively overinflated to begin with. I have 5 lemmy accounts - one on lemmy.world when I first joined, one on lemmynsfw for happy fun times, and 3 more trying to find a different instance with the de federation policy and hoster that I wanted after lemmy.world was going through their ddos downtime issue.
I mostly lurk or comment like this but I’ve found the community to be much better over here. I can’t see myself going back.
I mostly lurk, too, but enjoy being around my fellow Lemmings.
The only decline I have seen as someone who mostly lurks is in conservatives who thought this was the next Voat. After the surge I saw an uptick in all kinds of people, and a lot of them I don’t mind seeing leave.
You don’t need this lil slice of the internet to be the “next big thing”, you just need a place to go to see the stuff you like.
Long time lurker here, 99% of the time I go to post a comment I delete it before posting like ah fuck it. I’m trying to engage a bit more now there are more users.
lurkers are also not counted in this statistics. ifaik only active users who are posting or commenting are counted. so there might be more users out there who are active and just lurking and they are not counted.
I feel I have better engagement here. It is still missing some more niche communities that Reddit had, and I’m trying to be active to grow them, but it has been slow.
So, following the 90/9/1 rule, 90% lurk, 9% comment, 1% create content, we are primarily losing from the 90%? That seems to be a good thing for the long-term. As long as we aren’t losing from the 1% I’d say we’re good
I’m still lurking here!
I feel like content is always getting better too
Are active users classified as posting or does just logging in count?
Yeah, it’s plain to see that engagement is steadily climbing. The top posts keep getting higher and higher numbers and new, interesting communities keep popping up.
Smaller communities aren’t necessarily a bad thing. Compared to reddit I rarely feel like I’m commenting into the void.
Or into the thunderdome where no matter what you say, someone will fight you for it
I disagree!
No you don’t
Actually, he does, and you look really stupid right now for thinking otherwise.
Here’s a link I haven’t researched to prove it.
That disagrees with my worldview and despite being definite proof I refuse to acknowledge it, stupid head
I choose to misrepresent your argument, attack it, and then declare myself the winner. I also refer to you as “slick” throughout and finish every sentence with :-)
Exactly, lemmy needs to grow but if it just continues to grow and grow eventually it will just turn into what reddit is now. I’m happy to have something small to be a part of for now… i don’t think you needed me to tell you this but they say commenting is good for lemmy, so here i am
What’s the easiest way to find communities across different instances? If I could figure that out, I would just forget about reddit.
I use an external Lemmy instance list.
Ive seen that in reddit shadowbanning is rampant on new accounts, so mayve that has to do with something. Specially if you have been banned before.
Reddit is like that ex the whole lemmy isn’t over yet while loudly drunkenly screaming “I’m so over them!”.
Advice: focus on yourself and your content.
me unloading every meme I’ve ever stolen because it drives engagement
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Nah, fuck spez forever. That sentiment should never die. I hope a decade after reddit goes bankrupt, he can’t leave his home without getting the phrase screamed at him
We can decide to never go back to our ex and also warn others if it comes up, while still moving on with our lives. However, if we’re just bringing it up out of nowhere, we’re still hung up on them.
Also: focus on yourself and you’re content 👍
Also: focus on yourself and you’re incontinent
Also: focus on your shelf in another continent
Also: it’s Istanbul, not Constantinople, man.
Also: get an oil change, it’s due soon.
This is exactly right, I even find myself wanting to check my GME DRS subs but knowing I shouldn’t and feeling bad about it and blocking it for myself until the next week when I unblock and check my subs again in shame. But I’ll never return for real because I know she’s bad for me, wait we’re still talking about Reddit right?
This isn’t a good analogy at all.
If it should be forcibly used, like, reddit is an ex, then fuck no we’re not over that ex. They took our home that we built and destroyed it.
Bruh you’ve only ever posted once, you should focus on trying to make content and posting it on lemmy, instead of criticizing those of us who are.
Most of the stuff you post is low quality shite mate not “content” it’s mainly 99% vague political memes. this shite makes up 90% of lemmy
You literally repost AI generated images, you dont even possess the originality to come up with your own prompt Lmao and you’ve never even made a post with over 1k upvotes. Git gud
cringe af
Dont care, dude implied nonone cares about my posts, thousands of upvotes beg to differ. Cringe or notz i post shit people engage with.
I mean, would you call this post ‘content’? It’s just low-effort, non-discussion-provoking, nothingness about a platform that nobody around here cares about anymore (except you apparently?)
Says the user with zero posts. And all the people upvoting it apparently do. Bahahaha
What can we do to get you to go back to Reddit?
Not a damn thing. Zero posts not surprised. Reddit definitely doesnt miss you.
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Dont worry, I’ll keep posting content for you to engage with.
Being on Lemmy make me realise I was addicted to the front page of r*ddit having something new everytime I refreshed
Now I sort by top/6hours - reduced my screen time and see more quality things
It will be sad if peoples leave but if the top stay It is enough
This is exactly what I do! And I’ve also noticed how much more time I’ve spent doing other things as opposed to doomscrolling.
Yes. I feel like I’m finally sorting between the addiction I developed to “content” on Reddit and the interaction that makes sites like this great.
Lemmy is the Nicolette of reddit
Lurker here. This is my first post. I ain’t leaving either.
I saw a discussion the other day that may have been part of it. They were pointing out that many users when first joining lemmy created accounts on multiple instances. Whether they needed to find a community they preferred or do to ddos attacks and other issues causing outages a lot of those accounts have likely become inactive more as time went by. So the numbers may not be decreasing so much as been inflated by individuals coming up as multiple active users early on. I haven’t looked into how they are verifying what users are active though, so it could be wrong. If someone knows more please respond.
As far as I have heard, “activeness” is measured by whether a user posted a comment/post the past month, so lurkers/voters are not being counted. This does likely skew the numbers quite a bit.
EDIT: Found this nice answer from ~5 months ago. Yup, it appears to only count post+comment and leaves out voters and lurkers. :(
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I’ve been thoroughly enjoying Lemmy much more than I did Reddit. I find it’s overall less toxic and I’m therefore engaging more instead of just lurking.
One criticism, though: I really do not like the communities that use bots to copy over posts and comments from Reddit. I see no value in commenting or engaging on those posts as the original poster is not present for discussion. It’s also kind of weird that the original posters are most likely not aware their post and its comments have been copied elsewhere and may be having further engagement.
Let’s be honest it works for memes. Memes are 99% of the time just reposted garbage anyways.
For everything else though, I agree. Bots shouldn’t be used
Yes – I agree, it does work for memes.
I’m fine with the post especially in niche communities just to keep them alive. But yeah comments seem useless.
On Reddit it got so bad I stopped responding to replies entirely. I’m still not very regular about that, but whenever I check now, I’m shocked to find I’m not just getting blindly downvoted for potentially contraversial statements. It feels like a really good sign to me - progress in an era of downward spirals as low effort people all over the world spew their nonsense on everything.
I treat Reddit like I treat twitter. When something happens, I look at it to get a read on the situation, or what people are saying or whatever. But I otherwise totally ignore it now.
A year ago, I couldn’t go an hour without looking at Reddit.
Lemmy is losing users, but Reddit is using losers.
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I’ve been here for like 6 months now, maybe more. Posts SEEM to be getting more engagement than when I started. It definitely doesn’t seem like there are fewer users.
The vibrancy of communities is what matters, not total numbers. I have definitely noticed a solidification of new communities into places that feel longterm sustainable.
I mean also people are really tired and beat up, in the US most people are worse off than they were before the pandemic (not good). I don’t blame people for not having the mental bandwidth to join a new social network.
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To be honest I kind of like it here.
My mental health is so much better than when i scrolled reddit. Everyone here is so nice and doesn’t talk like 14 year olds with an ego. Also theres front page furry porn
I also find the limited number of posts and comments keep me at a healthy level of browsing. On Reddit I could get sucked down the rabbit hole of even one post, reading comments and replying to stuff for hours. There’s really very little of value that can ever be accomplished at that depth.
Me too man. I had a really unhealthy Reddit problem.
Theses days, after about an hour of scrolling I’m out of content, which feels sensible.
I agree with this, and on top of that the lack of infinite scroll is a feature to me because it requires me to deliberately consider each post before the next page rather than just spamming downward looking for that next dopamine hit.
Everyone here is so nice
Until you mention Windows.
I have never hated Linux more than now
I use arch, btw
I don’t think they criticize people for using Windows. I bet that no one wanted to offend you.
People do criticize Windows itself and I think it’s okay.
Idk people criticize most of the bad things. but when it is windows, things change a bit.
I think you can find some jerks in any community, it’s people. But I doubt that GNU/Linux enthusiasts hate people for using Windows in general. I personally a GNU/Linux user and I never hate people for using Windows.
It’s just like Reddit - they have more content, but we prefer Lemmy because of freedom. And we hate Reddit (and spez), not it’s users.
Agreed, I went on reddit recently and realized how much anxiety it used to cause me. Fuck that place. There is definitely something to their algorithm meant to make you feel that way.
Not really if you get into political talk, you will be shit talked into oblivion, and in the subject of pornography, i find the one here on lemmynsfw bland af, its mostly tje same chicks posting over and over again. But other than that I have seen before complaints from people on the lemmy.nsfw community that they are surprisingly puritan with the nsfw content allowed, and if you look for that type of content you will realize that its true, like i can think of various extreme fetishes that are banned that i rather not type here in public, but some that are more perplexing are like csncs, which its just a type of roleplay between 2 consenting adults and thats banned for some reason, and rape hentai, while i understeand while that would be controversial, its still a fetish sone people would have and its in draw form so no harm done to anyone, also some other gross stuff that nobody likes like scat or guro (drawn ofc)
Which like i said nobody whants to watch those last 2 except for the people that do and there even are comunities of those in reddit, so its very weird that there arent any equivalents here.
(Btw when i say banned i mean that they dont allow comunities that post that type of content.)
(And before you ask no im not into any of that type of the aformentioned shit)
Now you could say “well change instances”, but i heard bad things from the other ones here that do allow some of that stuff, specially the hentai focused ones, which i heard are mainly legally dubius shit and a little dangerous to go there so i rather look for porn/hentai somewhere els
“Everyone here is so nice”.
Oh yeah? Well, you can freaking go hug yourself buddy!
I love how so many of us former reddit lurkers found a home on Lemmy/the fediverse. I have absolutely loved being a part of the greater community here, I don’t know how else to describe it but it feels like my Internet home. I love all you fellow nerds. Obligatory fuck spez.
We love you, too. Even S’ned is warming to your presence.
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I feel the same way. Also, fuck spez. Lol
It feels like mostly internet veterans and people that care to explain themselves to me. Less recent users that don’t know technology or are newer to social media that isn’t “mainstream”.
Absolutely, this is really well said. I think because of the barrier to entry on this platform we are all a little more invested and I am here for it. I’ve hated what social media has become (Myspace was peak imo) and I’m so delighted the fediverse exists.
Fuck u/spez and fuck Tencent.
You know what? Fuck the enshittification of the internet too.
That’s what this is all about, people are putting their trust in systems that aren’t trustworthy, who will sell you to the highest bidder. Or any bidder frankly.
Yeah, this fuck Spez thing is cool and justified and all, but we all should be really more worried about Tencent 😳
Organic ,non bot, actual real conversation, is not going to skyrocket. It’s going to grow like a real world thing. This is good imo
So much agree on this. I also feel like there are comments on Reddit posted with the sole purpose of gaining upvotes. Here there is no need to do that so the content you do get is a lot higher level
I still love Lemmy. It’s nice to be able to post or comment without getting an automated response telling you you’re doing 15 things wrongs for trying to participate like happens on schmeddit.
Was there some stat released somewhere showing lemmy “losing users”? I’m pretty new and plan on sticking around, the quality here is infinitely better than reddit.
I feel the communities that I’m part of here have decent engagement. Even if it’s losing users, I feel it’s still high quality.
Yeah. I’m more concerned with quality than raw numbers.
How many of those that we’re losing are dead alts, bots, and trolls? I’m not that alarmed.
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