I’d exchange Reddit and X. The rate at which X is going downhill right now just cannot be beaten by anything.
Agreed. I mean I never expected Elon to be smart but good god is that dude an idiot. Everyone reading this could 100% do a better job in his shoes.
If I had bought Twitter back then, I would have just done absolutely nothing and raked in the cash.
That’s assuming that his goal is to run a profitable social media company that people respect, enjoy, and that makes profit. However, he’s loaded af and can easily pay for the best consultants in the world. Considering that, I think it’s possible that he might be reaching his goals, they’re just not what we assume they are.
I’ve seen varying levels of this general idea that Musk somehow is still playing some 4d chess and the downfall of twitter is the plan, but it’s really not. Twitter was already a niche generally. I only know like 2 people IRL who were on twitter, compared to basically everyone on Facebook, for example, and you can check the stats, twitter commanded way more mindspace than it actually had.
And even if the master plan was to kill twitter - so what? This won’t stop anything. There is an argument to be made that all of the journalists and what not coalesced over there, but that’s just not going to stop happening. It’s like if someone wanted to kill instant messaging. “HA HA ICQ, this time I’ve got you!” Except, it’s not the platform that’s important, and it’s easily replaced.
Even if Elon’s plan is “let’s federate” it’s still an inane way to do it, but this seems like a more likely outcome.
Hanlon again for the win, simplest answer is he’s not nearly as smart as anyone pretends.
Yeah the thing that people are upset about reddit for with rate limited apps is something twitter did years ago. Then theres the everything else involved on twitter and its not even close.
Came here to say this. X is doing worse than Reddit.
I feel like it’s unfair to include TikTok as it had a clear headstart by being a dumpster fire since the very start.
Musical.ly certainly was a thing.
It has been an dumpster fire before it was even made.
And Vine!
Does this reflect how the platform is actually doing or do we just like the circlejerk of wishing they would fail? Because everything I’ve seen says Reddit has been completely unaffected by the changes made and they’re still getting more user signups, engagements and interaction/posts than ever.
Tik Tok also seems to be growing strong.
Twitter is a genuine laughing stalk and is pulling major shit…but everyone still seems to be using it regularly.
if you have been back to reddit, they might have growing numbers (probably due to shitty practices forcing you to use their app instead of mobile browser) etc. but the quality of discussions and the amount of bots just reposting the same comments skyrocketed.
I mean it’s a huge site, it won’t die, but if you look at it that way, Facebook is still alive, do you have a desire to spend time on that site though?
Pleased to say I haven’t been back to Reddit (except to scrub my entire history there to nuke my account). Reddit quality going completely down the toilet is something seen long before these changes were made. It’s really sad to see that companies aren’t forced to make better products because people will put time and money into these shit platforms regardless.
yeah I already noticed the downhill trend before the API changes but after it really went into a nosedive, expectedly the power users posting good shit just left, so rage bait reposts are the trending things.
I have been back to reddit to check things out from time to time. The quality has definitely degraded, and their changes to not seeing NSFW stuff without logging in or using their app has me visiting less and less.
The comment section is still nice, but I just don’t see the quality it once had.
We can take a look at the comment count on major subreddits over time. Using the top 5 most commented listed on Subreddit Stats, and then using Social Rise to see comments per day (go down to “Graph of” and click “comments”).
- https://social-rise.com/subreddit-analysis/askreddit
- https://social-rise.com/subreddit-analysis/AmItheAsshole
- https://social-rise.com/subreddit-analysis/Starfield
- https://social-rise.com/subreddit-analysis/AITAH
- https://social-rise.com/subreddit-analysis/NoStupidQuestions
All except Starfield show comments cratering at the beginning of July, and they’re not coming back. Obviously, Starfield is a special case given the release of the game. AITAH was also just starting to pick up and then had its jugular cut out. Across the board, there looks to be a 3 or 4 times reduction in comment rates.
Now, perhaps the site is still OK among the more niche subreddits. That’d take a lot longer to analyze. But it’s clear the big traffic drivers are not pulling people in anymore.
While I overall agree this seems to be the case at first glance, I do notice that august there’s a huge drop that correlates with school starting up again. Probably need to compare to previous summers.
Edit: looks like it’s still pretty huge even accounting for that
The graphs there go back to 2018. There aren’t drops anywhere close to what we’re seeing.
Good to know, i was having trouble on mobile with it. Thanks!
I’m glad I left that site. They just view us all as little addicts and have lost any semblance of caring about what made reddit work in the first place.
Only a good 0.1% of reddit actually “creates content” with the rest having only engagement via comments. A good 99% of those also don’t do anything but lurk.
The people that make the content are also the ones more likely to switch to alternatives.
It’s an engagement loop so while the amount of signups and accounts is unchanged, there is simply less content to keep people around and to monetize.
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I believe that s shifting the burden of proof.
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the burden of proof lays in the eye of the beholder or whatever the quote is. i’m not a lawyer.
The burden of proof lies in the eyes of the Christian god! And as a fellow Muslim, I can say nothing about it, but He might speak through me and say that Reddit became a place without much new content.
If I’m understanding the mythos correctly, those are the same god, so you’re covered.
I don’t save sources in case of future need for references. I haven’t written a thesis on the matter. It came up in a few articles in my tech news RSS feeds. You’re welcome to not believe me and I would readily consider contrary information anyone else offers it.
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Reddit is driven by search traffic and the results got a lot worse since a lot of good posters quit. They lost the content but not the users yet, I think it’s just going to take a long time before they truly see the damage in their traffic statistics!
The google-Reddit search got really screwed up when the private subs numbered 7-8000. I’m curious if there have been any lingering effects.
Yeah Reddit just became more like Facebook which is disappointing, but not a dumpster fire.
Twitter is a radioactive dumpster fire that’s spawning mutant fire rats. There’s really no comparison.
I just have a hard time believing this when the_donald started on reddit. The site has been an incubator for right wing actors for years. Even the infamous Stormfront recognized the opportunities for recruitment there years ago.
No, but we are on lemmy so we obviously don’t care how well billion dollar companies are doing profit wise.
I care insofar as seeing how badly they can screw up
I mean, TikTok was already bad to begin with but what did they do to deserve a spot next to Twitter? Did I miss something? Surely they can’t do worse than trying to make their paid only, right?
Yeah TikTok is bad but it also works as expected.
Yeah it’s the worst algorithm ever, basically spyware, bans LGBT+ people, etc. But that’s quite frankly how it always worked.
People rightfully call out TikTok as a spyware because of their ties with CCP, but how exactly are other social media giants and big tech any different as they too have ties with the CIA, FBI etc
Basically, most social media reads out everything that is openly accessible, like cookies, address books and contacts, etc.
TikTok goes deeper, it has been watched going into protected files, trying to break encryptions (sometimes being successful).You need to source things instead of just spewing bullshit you hear on the grapevine.
Damn, didn’t know about this, but, what if Big Tech has also been doing this, but with more perfection, without getting caught?
TikTok is big tech.
But your question is highly speculative and kind of comes across as bad faith.
how is it speculative that big tech steals your data. Google, Amazon, microsoft, every single big internet conglomerate sell your data. Its a fact, and is widely reported.
Don’t we have a different tiktok than the Chinese one? There are specifically US folks in charge of the non China Tiktok. Wasn’t one of the security heads a former US state security agent?
Why do you think it’s more spyware than any other big tech mobile app or social media?
And based on my experience getting hooked so fast into while I didn’t want to touch it, it seems it has the best algorithm. I’m off it now, like all other social media expect for fediverse, but I can testify on this
bans LGBT+ people
Source? because I follow a ton of LGBTQIA+ people without any issue.
just because they haven’t rolled out the jackboots doesnt mean they haven’t deployed some.
Idk, I find it’s algorithm very easy to control compared to every other social media, its much easy to manipulate. My fyp is full of gay people so idk what you mean by the second statement.
Needed three graphics.
I think Twitter will be the largest fall.
Like, they went from publicly traded household name, used by news sites everywhere… to… well…
I know lemmy hates Reddit but X is easily taking the cake here. Do you think Elon is respecting ANY of the policies around old user data? If you were EVER on Twitter, Musk is all up in your business.
That text layout is…well dumpster fire is strong, but it’s definitely a smelly smolder
wtf is a Kia race
It’s a race in which there are only losers.
So do they all burn or implode in the end like the majority of KIAs?
A very easily stolen race, all you need is a USB stick
Maybe it is Killed In Action?
The enshittification of TikTok: https://www.wired.com/story/tiktok-platforms-cory-doctorow/
Very relevant to all of them
Great article!
What did TikTok do recently? Reddit and TwittX I know about. Could have added Unity to the mix, even if they’re not social media.
Everything fucked up western social media dose but time two and with a grain of chinese propaganda!
Philips coming up fast in 4th place. CAN THEY BEAT TIKTOK?!
FIND OUT TOMORROW!
what did philips do?
Require an account that collects your information to use the hue lights you’ve already bought and have been using just fine without that.
I believe is the thing about requiring accounts for the Hue lightbulbs thing, which is obviously bonkers
Yeah i also completely forgot Unity. This “Worst Dumpster Fire” ladder only had 3 spots.
I don’t use TikTok. Is that bad?
No. Just look at what friends share with a VPN up in-browser. You’ll get all the cultural context you’ll need lol
No matter what this 40 year old boomer ass Lemmy user base says, TikTok is amazing and some people are doing some really incredible things on it. You should give it a shot.
I’ll skip on the China spyware. But thanks.
China can’t really do anything to me personally, us is a much bigger threat.
But the crap going to Saudia Arabia is better? Or to private corps? They all do it, and they all need to be stopped.
What is China going to do to you?
You should be only worried about all the western spyware your balls are deep in.
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Nah I’d rather keep the influence on my country be as close to 1/3rd all around between the 3 big super powers.
I’d worry more about the US which directly controls the state I live in over the guys chilling 3000 miles away. Its really a false equivalence to compare the two.
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it is if one is far away and the US has active control over all western countries (I assume you live in a US bloc country), I’m going to be way more concerned with the one who can send a CIA agent to rule my death a suicide with two shots in my head.
What’s the reason though? If you don’t want to “willingly serve up all your data” if it results in literally nothing, why?
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Western spyware we agree to willingly in agreements that openly state that your information will be collected.
The problem with TikTok was that they were found to collect more information than they explained in their user agreement.
Show proof. Stop pulling shit out of your ass because some Redditor said something.
You can literally search “TikTok data”
They said Virginia and Singapore, then whoops, it’s actually not
So they didn’t “collect more information than they explained in their user agreement.” You just made that up.
Still doesn’t disprove her point, spyware is in all of our shit, how is the Chinese shit special?
The creators are great but the company is a liability.
Don’t you feel your brain rotting and your attention span waning from all of the 15 second hits of dopamine being shoved into your face?
TikTok is not good for your mental well-being.
This. I use tiktok more than I like, and it’s extremely easy to watch an hour or two. Thing is, when you get done, try to remember even like 3% of what you watched.
Tik tok has had 10min video for quite a while
If you’re watching nothing but 15 second TikTok’s, your algorithm is saying you’re a fucking idiot. And I’d have to probably agree based off what you’re saying here.
I don’t use TikTok at all and never have. You are the fucking idiot who got hooked on a dopamine drip simulator.
So you literally have no idea what it is and what it’s about, but here you are running your little mouth. Weren’t you raised better than believing what you hear when you easily have the ability to see what it’s about yourself? You don’t sound too bright.
I know what TikTok is and what it is about. That’s why I choose not to use it. You are bright enough to realize that clips from TikTok are posted in other places on the web, right? I’ve never used crack cocaine either, but I know what it is and what it is about.
TikTok is literally designed to psychologically manipulate teenagers and you fell for it. You sound mad about it, too. Hope it doesn’t rot your brain too much before you figure it out, but that doesn’t sound likely from your replies.
Eat tide pods and steal kias. Incredible things
Ya, because most of Lemmy userbase is from Reddit, the “American” website that bullied a kid into killing themselves, because they were “helping” find the boston bomber.
If that’s what you get on your feed, I hate to break it to you… you might be a fucking idiot.
I don’t use tiktok or any other shit social media like that. I had reddit for the communities and now this place for the same reason…which it’s mainly memes at best. Using tiktok makes you a fucking idiot…
I used TikTok once. Three hours later I didn’t realize that it was already midnight. Uninstalled immediately. Never again.
X and Reddit situations are kind of similar, but tiktok is shit for different reasons
Unity bailed itself out eh?
Unity ain’t a website
then how do u explain unity.com?
you know what I mean
