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In response to concerns that the new r/homeautomation mod team could overlook posts with dangerous misinformation, the anonymous Redditor pointed me to the subreddit’s sidebar, which has a disclaimer about the dangers of electricity. However, the disclaimer is only visible on old Reddit. The mod doesn’t know why.
Oh Lord
chef’s kiss
To be fair, the amount of people automating their HVAC system with “a raspberry pi and a bit of python” in there with nobody batty an eye has been high long before the purge. Some people mess with everything they can without understanding any of what they’re doing.
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Dromio05 showed me several posts he deemed questionable since Reddit took away his own mod badge. For example, this post shares a link to an article about “rebel canners,” which Dromio05 argues “gives a public platform to people who openly encourage methods and recipes that are known to be unsafe, like canning milk and open kettle canning.” The post is labeled unsafe, but Dromio05 would have removed the link to the article.
Another cited example is this recipe for canned sauce. It includes already-canned tomatoes, which experts like the National Center for Home Food Preservation (NCHFP) recommend against, as there’s no safe tested process for this. The recipe also includes nuts, though the USDA doesn’t have any recommendations for canning nuts, and NCHFP and other experts advise against canning any nuts besides green peanuts.
No comment. Moderators are the key to Reddit’s success, and they have been treated like shit and will continue to be treated like shit.
Won’t someone think of the poor landed gentry!?
How did volunteers who run reddit’s for-profit business for them for free end up equated with landed gentry?
“And I think, on Reddit, the analogy is closer to the landed gentry: The people who get there first get to stay there and pass it down to their descendants, and that is not democratic.”
-Steve “spez” Huffman, days before he democratically forced protesting subs to reopen and removed mods.
That’s a really good question to ask Reddit’s CEO as he is the one who said that.
Landed gentry is when someone works for no pay in service of a lord, right?
I’m certainly not defending spez and I wholeheartedly agree that this business model is daft, but with all that said… for every responsible dedicated knowledgeable reddit mod, there’s a dozen who find fulfilment in being fief lords.
It was all fun and games until reddit threatened to de-mod them, then suddenly “for the good of the community” they decided that bending over was the only option.
I also have the feeling that the comments started to suck a lot more. It’s starting to feel like comments on Youtube or Instagram, not like real people having a somewhat reasonable discussion about the topic.
Yep, interactions are definitely becoming more toxic. Indeed it starts to feel like youtube. I adopted Reddit at fisrt because of how friendly the community felt. That was 8-9 years ago and that time is clearly gone. Lemmy is nice, I hope it will keep growing.
Anecdotal, but I’ve personally noticed a lot more open hostility in comment sections. I’m noticing that it’s starting to make me feel like I felt when I still had Instagram and FB: Lousy.
So I’m now making a conscious effort to use it less and hopefully stop it all together, one day.
That feeling of dread when you notice you have a reply in your inbox
… and there are too many bots in the comments.
I think that is just you projecting. Also, have you seen new star wars show Ashoka? I heard its the best show of the year!
Enjoy the show with some Pepsi™ Max
DRINK VERIFICATION CAN
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The last thing I read before quitting Reddit for good was someone calling me a prick in a pinned post on my profile telling people to go to Lemmy. Needless to say, I’m not sorry I left.
because it’s just made to make you upset somehow. the cynical nature of reddit is x100 now
Wow, ive been away for a bit. I heard AITA is gone sour, (rspash havn a good time i guess) what else?
Yep. I was casually talking about which country to move to for getting a master’s in a computer science-related field and I got lambasted just because I mentioned that I graduated from fine arts, despite that I’ve explicitly mentioned that I was going to move away from that field anyway and that the programs I plan to move to allow undergraduates from any background.
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Good. Fuck Reddit.
I love watching them crash and burn. Greedy dicks
Mods weren’t ever supposed to anybody but janitors. That isn’t in a derogatory tone. The anonymous userbase was the original value proposition of reddit. The expertise came from random nobodies. Usernames didn’t matter on reddit because nobody looked at it. It seems this is long forgotten history from a time when the internet was primarily IT nerds.
By the time mods were becoming somebodies, reddit was past its prime. Once the power structures started forming it was over. As we’re seeing now reddit is hinges on single point of failure. The expertise among the userbase has gradually left the platform long before this API stuff. A long slow process years in the making.
Internet janitors are a dirty but necessary job not unlike the real world. Somebody has to scrub toilets and pick produce. People are a-holes on the internet who need to be put in their place. Reddit has long since become too hoity-toity for that. Now mods are supposed to be experts in their field. Too high to be digital toilet scrubbers. Too scared of “muh free speech” to janitor the Greater Fuckwads anymore. So reddit is an asylum run by the inmates. Expertise can’t be assed to contribute to a dumpster.
On another note. The imgur purge has also contributed to the barren wasteland of reddit content history. So many dead posts.
But you can’t be a ‘janitor’ on a sub like r/canning without understanding canning. You can’t know who is posting unsafe information unless you know what is unsafe. That’s the problem.
Thank you for using canning as an example. This is a excellent choice because it is a situation where people think they know what they’re doing and they are just basically posting recipes for botulism. On Facebook there are the rebel canner groups and in those groups you’re not even allowed to mention the word of botulism or the mods will ban you. Because even warning somebody that something is unsafe goes against those communities standards. Canning is a prime example of where the admins have to have actual knowledge to pull off the job.
You should really read the article. At least the first bit
To be fair, the linked article used r/canning as an example, not me.
I run a cryptography subreddit and we have the same problem. You don’t necessarily need to be an expert in everything, but you absolutely MUST be able to tell who knows what they’re talking about and who doesn’t
This is, unironically, the perfect job for librarians.
Not libertarians though
The user base was supposed to be the main arbiter of such things.
Doesn’t work for certain topics
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Because reddit is largely devoid of expertise by now. This is talking in circles. The point is that the user base well stocked with a healthy breadth of knowledge is able to call out bad posts. We both agree subreddits aren’t working. It is for these reasons. Relying on sole expert moderators doesn’t work.
It is more that Reddit wanted its moderators to not be anyone important, especially under the current CEO. Ditching the default subs, firing Victoria, heavily maiming r/all, and other actions were geared to prevent mods from gaining power over Reddit. On the flipside, Reddit maintained the mod ranking based on when a mod joined specifically to keep communities from forming more legitimate methods of mod selection.
Mods were supposed to be weak while being scapegoats for Reddit in case something went wrong.
They became the equivalent to automated customer service lines. Nothing but bots with no humans available to address concerns. Any attempt to contact a mod generally resulted in an arrogant reply.
the free speech argument doesnt really make sense as reddit was founded on being “the last bastion of free speech”
Free speech versus civility. Say what you want but don’t think you won’t get punched in the face for being an asshole. On the internet you should absolutely be able to get punched in the face. The virtual version of that is being modded. Which is apparently tantamount to human rights violations these days so mods have had to walk on eggshells. It’s no wonder the old guard have been leaving in droves.
There was never a time in the past when you wouldn’t receive a digital face punching for being an ass. As time went on people started giving up on reddit. Especially mods who cared to foster communities people wanted to use. Mods became glorified bot operators. “Automated customer service lines” as someone else said. And so the trolls have completely run amok on that platform. Usually there is no getting hold of a real human moderator. Other times they’re so checked out they themselves get trolled into banning anyone but the griefers.
really? seems to me reddit started banning more and more not even for trolling, but for posting in the “wrong” subreddits, or for using slurs whereas back then reddit had slurs all over the place highly upvoted and anyone complaining was downvoted and spammed
Waiting for the Patrick Swayze and Sam Elliot of mods to show up…
Hi there!
I want to believe!
Being a mod is pretty fun sometimes!
Have you checked out !android@lemmy.world yet?
Every couple of weeks I come back and check lemmy to see if the top post isn’t about reddit. Not yet.
I’m fine with this - many of us were on Reddit for over a decade and had to cut cold turkey when they killed the site. We’re here hoping Lemmy will replace it, so feels natural to speak of the old “shell” site.
Also, whether or not one uses reddit/twitter/Facebook, the state of social media is worth discussing, its important.
It’s one of the biggest trash fires of the century, watching petulant fuckwits tear down functionally competent institutions and replacing them with nazis, spam and sockpuppets. certainly deserves the attention it’s getting.
great job musko and spez, you idiots
Hey, one man’s narcissism is another man’s testing the effect of accelerated decay in Fortune 100 companies. Maybe their grandfathers left them a Brewster’s clause in their wills. You never know!
lol thanks for the chrotle, this was worth reading.
I’ve been off Facebook for >5 years now but I still comment on news about fb
Subscribe to different communities. Most posts I see are politics, racecars (until I blocked it) and non English communities (until I block them)
Scrolling through all posts is fine. Communities are not (outside of memes).
I did a bit to try to keep up !league@lemmy.ml but it felt like I was posting to no one. Got basically no engagement. I stuck with it for a few months, because I understand the Catch 22, but it didn’t seem like it was going anywhere anytime soon.
For league, at least, Reddit is the only option. I doubt it’s the only community in that position.
This is my struggle too. Lemmy is great for the current events and entertainment stuff. Doesn’t have enough volume to replace the local or niche subreddits for me.
I personally am not into League but still wanna branch out, if you got any other communities thats niche but interesting, reply to me
It’s not like it’s overrunning !worldnews or something. This is !reddit. You can block it.
It’s almost like we all used to use reddit like 2 months ago so are interested what’s happening with it, crazy
Hang on, sometimes a Linux sub will post something about how they hate Windows.
On your Subscribed feeds? Because this is literally the fuck Reddit community you’re looking at and if you don’t want that filter it.
Look at the quality of mods they’re getting.
The r/diving subreddit got a mod who claim to be an avid diver with 21 dives across 7 oceans. And the subreddit drama link
That mod is hardcore powertripping, lol. Why do people get so puffed up for being essentially forum janitors? At least 4chan mods could take it on the chin when the community made fun of them. Reddit mods have the thinnest skin and the arbitration skills of Judge Dredd.
That user is the alt of a well-known troll. They know exactly what they’re doing.
I’m still not convinced that the /r/diving mod wasn’t trolling the admins with that post.
It’s Esne. They were.
Insert pikachu face
Probably the best written article I’ve read on this subject. All concerning things in the article that Reddit absolutely doesn’t care about. Canning milk? What the fuck.
Edit: I forgot that condensed milk is a thing…wondering if people can make it at home?
Mmm. Nothing I like more than a 5-year-old can of milk.
Ah yes, the 2018. That’s a good vintage. Aromas of pestilence and disease overwhelm the nose. An enticing menagerie of dumpster and botulism coats the palette with a subtle finish of garlic sharts lingering between sips. A pronounced effervescence from years of fermentation leaves a most pleasant mouthfeel. 95/100
Would that technically be a delayed action grenade?
Chemical warfare agent for sure
I always buy dehydrated/condensed milk in cans, is that not normal?
Oh I’m dumb lol…can you do that yourself?
Yes you can. Take milk, simmer for an hour. Thats basically it
Edit: step 3 would be NOT canning it. Keep it in the fridge like a normal person.
I think you can make sweetened condensed milk at home but not safely preserve it. Have you noticed there’s no shelf stable normal milk? There’s no dairy products on the shelf on the Welch’s aisle. Even given industrial equipment, the best you can do is evaporated milk.
I think I’ve seen this effect. Felt a bit smug when I saw a post of r/linux talking about how the quality of the posts was so poor after the “reddit migration”.
I’ve noticed it too that the quality of posts in certain subreddits I cared about just felt a lot more ‘empty’. Which is both good and bad. Good cause Reddit got what they deserved and people stuck to their morals by dispersing to more federated communities across the web; but I also feel a tad sad that the subreddit championing a vision I want to see that took a long time to get there is now gonna leave a way pooer impression on anyone looking to join.
But eh, I’m not sure many if any people’s mind on trying out Linux were decided due to a reddit post before. ( Feel free to tell me otherwise if I am wrong on feeling. )
It’s a real shame that communities like that couldn’t more easily uproot and move en masse to a new instance on Lemmy or similar.
Any users that cared probably moved on too quickly for something like that to take shape.
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it’s ok.
spez said revenue isn’t affected, so he got what he wanted. he doesn’t give that much of a shit let me tell you
The purpose of reddit is to keep people engaged while seeing ads. That’s it.
it’s odd because I find lemmy more engaging, but perhaps its because of clickbait discussions that come up on the first page.
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Upvotes and downvotes on ads are just cosmetic, they don’t do anything.
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It hurts their feelings, sometimes that’s enough
Anything but. They’ll be using that feedback to profile you, to better target ads at people like you. It’s like Facebook’s “I want to see less ads like this”. It’s to give an appearance of control. But really it implicitly means “show me more of what I didn’t reject”. Even if you’re there anonymously they’ll be associating any interaction you make with the ad with the subs you visit, the types of comment you make etc
100% correct. It’s a powerful illusion because back in the day it was a real site with real people on it. It’s taking some folks a long time to pick up on this.
There is almost no real content on there. If it’s not a bot / AI, it’s some shill with an agenda. It’s all about the ads and clicks.
Replace “reddit” with any free service. Welcome to the Internet.
And before you “ackshually Lemmy” me, someone is paying for it. Perhaps even you, if you’ve donated to your home instance.
People donating aren’t pushing shitification in search of profits though…
The Fediverse - being “free as in beer” rather than “free because you’re the product being sold” is different.
It’s different because it costs somebody money. If you’re being an asshole on commercial social media, the company has financial incentives to keep you around. You’re bringing in more eyeballs.
If you’re being an asshole on a Fediverse server, it costs an admin something. They have to deal with complaints. They have potential reputational loss or defederation for their server. The server that they pay for!
Admins are paying for the server, so they must decide: is all this bullshit worth it? Is it something they really believe in and stand by with their real money and energy?
I think that changes the calculus of assholes, bots, and Onlyfans on social media.
To be fair, the content quality on Lemmy has been about the same from what I’ve seen.
Bots all over the place, low-effort quips instead of discussions bubbling up, lots and LOTS of low-quality armchairing, personal attacks and flaming instead of actual discussion…etc
It was good for a month or so during the reddit 3rd party app purge, but quickly went downhill.
Yea but like Lemmy is a bunch of hobbyists running on donations. That’s not saying much for Reddit.
I very specifically don’t experience this but maybe that’s because I’m using sync and have deliberately blocked bots from showing up in my feed.
How do you block bots using Sync?
This is actually a feature of Lemmy. If you open Lemmy and sign into your account in the browser you can go to content settings and there’s a box you can uncheck for show bot accounts. Be aware this is all bot accounts even helpful ones line automods and such and it will affect the bota that autopost from Reddit as well. You’ll see a downturn in traffic. But I thought it was worth the trouble.
I’m on lemmy.ca on a bunch of Canadian communities and it’s not like that at all.
Yes some communities have been under attack by bots and people posting CSAM but otherwise it’s been pretty civil.
God the quips became so popular and incessant it was really annoying. The comment used to be a good source of relevant information and there were some really funny people in there but now it seems to be drowned out by the same one liners or bots.
I agree with this. There’s some problems that need to be addressed. Hopefully sooner rather than later
I haven’t had anything remotely like this when sticking to my subscribed communities.
Truthfully hexbear has a lot to do with it. Could use a fediverse purge of that level of shitposting
No, Hexbear for all its intensity is very specific and limited to how they act and disrupt. There’s tons of reddit-esque comments on lemmy coming from all the sites that aren’t from Hexbear or Lemmygrad users.
I’ve noticed a huge increase of ragebait AITA posts every time I check the front page. They’re all pretty similar - disowning a child or deciding not to attend a wedding. And people fall for it every time. It’s kind of sad to see one of the smartest places on the internet turn into social media junk food.
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Umm, reddit readers, most never even acknolaging the exodus situation publically, began to really bug me. Knowing this, your words now stronger than ever throw into question their nature because:
people fall for it every time
That likely means both audences and creators. AITA is almost completely hyperreal now. Few non fictional interactions exist anymore. Was it always like this?
Is that why 90% of everything is the same unfunny reposts from 80 years ago now?
Due to the lack of visible karma, people repost way less on Lemmy than on reddit.
You just have bots that auto post to lemmy from reddit instead, and flood the feed with no intervention.
Which may actually be worse.
I block them. Did a big rant about that very topic a while back.
lemm.ee made plans to block bots.
So nothing’s changed then?
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Are they at least labeled as bots?
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No, this is business as usual for Reddit
What’s reddit?
I think it’s a website for people to ask celebrities whether they will fight horse sized ducks or duck sized horses.
Let’s talk about Rampart instead, shall we?
By the way, have you seen the banner of this community yet?
What do you mean by the banner? The barbie image? It’s very colourful
Omg you guys are amazing, thank you for the laugh. I was a reddit user since 2011. So many good memories, but I haven’t been back since the day of the app collapse…
WhEn dOeS tHe NaWaLl BaCoN???
Some sort of bad lemmy clone
I hear it’s kinda like Digg
Something about putting things in cans
Faces?
