Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:36 Sponsor: TuxCare
01:46 KDE’s AI policy
06:42 Existing AI policies
10:06 Going further on AI
12:58 My stance on AI
17:05 FOSS projects: yes or no to AI?
28:02 Sponsor: Tuxedo Computer
Ridiculous anti-AI hysteria is pushed by the AI companies themselves to make the anti-AI side look insane. Don’t fall for it.
the hysteria is taking on a new life of its own and i guess it makes sense considering how people’s materials conditions are being diminished on our education system as well as our media doesn’t enable us to understand why or how.
I mean, I’m not sure the hysteria is completely unreasonable. AI does pose multiple legitimate threats and should be used responsibly, and not trusted with certain duties. We’ve also seen that the powers that be treat the world around them like a fratboy treats a drunken co-ed (it’s meant to be disgusting), and that the constant growth demanded by the shareholders leaves no room for ethics, morals, or big-picture thinking.
I use AI. I also built my own for simple tasks. I’ve had a lot of experiences with AI at this point, and its generous to say the pros-cons are a wash. The use-cases I and most normies see is AI expediting an already blazing fast enshitification of everything around us.
there’s anti-AI, and there’s ridiculous anti-AI hysteria, they aren’t the same
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Ho boy, found the MAGA
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I prefer this response to Gerard’s rant:
MaddieM added even more that I thought was salient in another response:
defeats the point of a CoC (making sure everyone feels safe, particularly minorities who are targeted by fascism)
I’d argue that if we normalize people barging into random threads and accusing others of facism, that would make everybody feel unsafe. Remember that once you normalize this behavior, the fascists can use it too.
… ends up creating a scandal …Very visibly, I might add.
The person who barged in making public accusations, is the one that created a visible scandal. That’s why there’s a proper channel for reports. Precisely to prevent this sort of mess.
MaddieM advocated for removing the post, that’s not even close to “normalizing” it imo
Just removing the post without any punishment to the user, just means the user can do it again.
A ban is fairly harsh I admit, but usually bans only happen for repeat offenders. I don’t know the full context here.
we should normalize accusing fascists of fascism
You can report people all you like. Just use proper channels to do so.
We should normalize due process.
Normalizing people making up their own rules and exacting their own justice is how you end up with https://lemmy.world/post/52260289
Remember that once you normalize this behavior, the fascists can use it too.
The fascists don’t care. They’ll work to normalize whatever they want regardless
Why not ban person A? Being a nazi is a rule violation, but reporting people by barging in on unrelated threads (instead of simply contacting the mods) is also a rule violation.
Somebody else can report the nazi via proper channels, and person A learns the proper way to report people.
person A learning anything is useless if they are banned
Teaches them for any future accounts they make on other forums
Bye bye KDE.
Bringing an on-going discussion from outside into a thread with which it bore no relationship, The correct way to proceed is to alert mods, sysadmins or another participant in the discussion privately. What happened is akin to someone walking into a restaurant and seemingly randomly punching another patron. They’re going to get thrown out.
Damn what a completely out of touch response. Many people point out that this was basically a badly handled abuse report that a user brought to a main thread instead of reporting, however that does not and never did justify the original and continued ban of the first person to report on it.
I am especially galled by the “and ad hominem attacks on another user (even if it turned out they deserved it).” bit. Dude, maybe someone’s motivations matter. Acting like attacking someone’s motivations are always out of place is part of what lets this kind of shit fester and grow. Everyone has motivations, and a lot of people’s motivations are deeply unsavory.
Bruh my Kubuntu minimal install. Welp. *sigh que sera sera, we all move on sometime.
Budgie
I guess kde publicly addressing AI usage goes to show how much this fear has become mass hysteria
Why is a .ml user advocating for something used to take bargaining power away from workers?
your comment seems to imply that i’m a marxist because i’m on lemmy.ml – i’m not (as most arent), but i do understand material dialectics & history well enough to know that hysteria like this never has and never will stop change from happening.
China is big on AI so it’s praxis to support AI on .ml now
Actually happy with Umbriel + Noctalia. Last straw to KDE is I prefer QT over GTK.
