It’s easy to have few prisoners when you’re killing everyone.
it’s easy to spew nonsense when you have a brain the size of a peanut
You forget about the Great Terror or something?..
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I agree with your overall point, still I think there needs to be some context.
Here is the graph for USSR’s prison population (I could only find it in russian on yandex, because search engines are so fucked up nowadays):
USSR really did have a relatively high imprisonment rate throughout its existence, and I think its punishment-focused penitentiary system was one of its worst sides. I’m glad that other socialist states are improving theirs, and I hope one day they can reach a point where prisons in their current form would no longer be necessary.
As an aside, I find it really interesting that there was a simultaneous increase in prison population in both USSR and the US in the 80s:
While in the US it was mainly caused by “law and order” politics popularized after the revolutionary movements of the 70s, combined with privatization of prison labor, I couldn’t find any well-sourced explanations for why it happened in USSR.
USSR was on its way to falling apart in the eighties. For example, underground punk like Grazhdanskaya oborona was already around at the time (though still persecuted unlike the 90s).
Well the USSRs economy was turning to shit during the 80s, that leaves plenty of room for theft/drugs/domestic violence etc…
For a year Soviet Union was executing ~1000 people per day, every day. But yeah sooooo good.
Being an anti-communist must be awesome. You can just make shit up and then, when you get pushed, quote some thinktank named something like “BillionaireFreedomFund” funded by George McBloodghoul.
In a world that already grows enough food for 10 billion people, 10 million people starve to death every year, a situation that can only exist because the US Empire enforces that injustice with absolutely staggering violence. You literally cannot conceive of how much blood is spilled across every single day of ‘peace’. There has never been a more bloodsoaked entity than the United States.
for a year
1971-2021
Ah, yes. Either way, it doesn’t matter because both suck. One more than the other.
Well it doesn’t matter because one doesn’t exist anymore. We should focus on the one that still does bad stuff.
ok then tell your other .ml friends to shut the fuck up about the thing that doesn’t exist
Or I could tell you to eat my ass
Yeah which year mfer?
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You literally cannot help but call women misogynistic slurs can you.
I hope you get hit by a truck. Sincerely.
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I guess that’s your method of coping with truth.
Go back to Reddit you insufferable fucking dork.
Lol you’re gonna be one thousand and one if you keep being so cringe, now run along and make a post crying about how the terrorist commies threatened you
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You have yet to even provide a single source for your claim you just reacted to us pointing out this is usually pulled from WWII and includes Nazis. You just immediately lashed out with a slur. Calling you “mfer” for clearly making up Nazi apologia is not at all the same as calling a woman a c*nt in anger at being asked for a source.
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What year? It wouldn’t happen to be immediately before, during or post ww2, would it? Because west Germany and the Gladoi-style nazification of capitalist Europe are the perfect counterpoint to show why you have to execute nazis.
They probably thought of Warhammer 40000 where 1000 psykers per day are sacrificed to the God Emperor, idk.
Or maybe USA where around 1000 people per day was dying from avoidable pandemic so that the line could go up and the answer from government was to stop counting the dead.
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Thank you for providing concrete example of why gulags will indeed be necessary after a socialist revolution.
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ok there fash
Which year?
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So Nazis, then. Good riddance.
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Yeah because there totally wasn’t Nazis or Nazi adjacents in 1937-1938. Don’t come in here telling us to “read just minimal tiniest fraction of history” when you’re quoting fucking Wikipedia.
And since we’re here for the numbers, in 1950 total number of sentenced individuals in the USA was 166,165 thousand or 6.68% of that in USSR.
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The meme states number of incarcerated in that year, not number of people sentenced that year. You are just a reactionary grasping at anything to absolve the US of its fascistic history.
This report combines yearend population counts from the annual published reports into a single table. [1988, page 1]
The total number of prisoners under the jurisdiction of Federal or State adult correctional authorities was 1,182,169 at yearend 1996 [1997, page 1]
It is actually the population count not people sentenced.
Yeah that is what I was saying. The number they pulled out of their ass to “refute” the total prisoner count was only the number sentenced in that year. I think if we tallied up total number of people simply jailed in that same year 5.5m would probably be right.
Introduction
In 1926 the Federal Government, in a statistical series called “National Prisoner Statistics,” began keeping annual records of State and Federal prison populations. The series has been in continuous operation ever since. Published reports from the series are the source of national statistical information on prison populations in the United States.
Among the several continuously published measures of the prison population, one from the annual report is intended to provide a measure of the overall size of the prison population. This measure is the number of prisoners present in State and Federal prisons at the end of each year. Changes from one year to the next in the number of prisoners present at yearend reveal whether prison populations are Increasing, decreasing, or staying the same in the United States.
This report combines yearend population counts from the annual published reports into a single table (table 1). Table 1 shows the prison population of each State, the District of Columbia, and the Federal Government on December 31 of each year from 1925 to 1986.
Over the more than 60 years in which prisoner counts have been reported, definitions of included populations have occasionally changed, and published figures have been revised (see Methodology). Annual counts reported here are based on final revised figures and represent the most comparable data published
Table 1. Sentenced prisoners in State and Federal institutions on December 31, 1925-86 [excerpt]
1950 U.S. Total 166,165
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Anyone placed in jail or prison is a prisoner and incarcerated. Imprisoned doesn’t necessarily mean tried or sentenced, just jailed. One can be arrested and imprisoned without ever being charged with anything. It’s actually super common in the US.
Reading comprehension clearly is not your strong suit either but I will give you the charity that english may not be your first language and you are not familiar with the terminology of the US carceral system.
Is one supposed to be better than the other?
Yes
One lifted millions of people out of abject poverty, provided them with food, housing, education, and healthcare, while the other has been terrorizing the world throughout its whole existence. But to an enlightened liberal these look exactly the same.
Would you say it is a good example of a communist state? Or at least, a good country that should have continued operating the way it did? More good than bad?
Having grown up in USSR, I would say that it was a good example of a socialist state. It was unarguably more good than bad, and anybody with even a minimally functioning brain can see that the collapse of USSR was a huge tragedy for humanity. But perhaps you see capitalist restoration in the eastern bloc as a positive?
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meanwhile in the real world
Based on the prior comment, whatever it was. I guess disagreeing isn’t really an option lol. ML is a hell of a place. But hey, I got some new information out of this.
You can always just look at the comment in the modlog. They do not get removed for “simply disagreeing.”
It really is your own decision to get offended at people trying to educate you by citing sources.
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I don’t particularly care about the eastern bloc. I just usually hear people, even “communists” talk about Stalinism being a pretty bad thing.
It was correct of you to put communists in quotes there.
Why’s that?
Because no actual communist would say anything of the sort.
