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Honestly this is one of the biggest issues with it all that you don’t really see talked about much
Artists sink a load of time into a piece of art they are proud of, and because AI has got to the point now it’s not always obvious at first glance to average Joe, so people rely on heuristics to spot it instead.
For this artist apparently it’s “yellows”
For anyone who takes photos (or even video now) even half seriously, photos with Bokeh and good lighting get called out now
You like making instrumental electronic or sampled music? Get ready for everything to be called AI
Even writing: I always used to like using em dashes—they’re a pretty versatile piece of punctuation for any casual speech style of writing. If you use an em dash now though, someone just assumes the text is AI. So I’ve generally just stopped; not because I want to, because AI and people (somewhat understandably) not having a better way to identify AI writing.
Hell, I made an excel sheet the other day to work some stuff out and someone asked how I got the AI to do it…
Now I’m not saying it’s everyone, but I’m seeing a group of people forming, who basically say anything they can’t immediately understand how to do themselves must be AI. I have a suspicion it’s the same demographic that would say “well I could do that” in a modern art museum or “all they do is press play” when looking at any kind of electronic music production.
I agree.
To many times I have to post this meme because someone yet again thinks everything they see is AI. Even if the original picture is like 10 years old. Especially apparent in the “Fuck AI” community.
The only time you posted that meme in the last month was in reply to my comment 2 days ago.
Is that really too many times? Was that picture actually 10 years old? Is Ask Lemmy a “fuck A.I. community”? Was it blatantly obvious those blurry kids with weird looking hands weren’t A.I.?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯Is that when you started stalking the guy?
Lol yep, I’ve seen them twice, must be a stalker! (▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿) I don’t even know if they’re a guy or not.
Quick, check my post history and call something out about me!
Why? I’m not sure what’s your problem here.
Are you really that butthurt that you went through my history?
I’ve mostly stopped posting that picture because telling AI-phobes that not everything is AI gets tiring. So I try to avoid those subs as much as possible.
I’ve also mainly posted this on a different account that I used before this one.
And you should really look into your reading comprehension as well as your AI detection skills. Because I said it is especially apparent in the Fuck AI community, not that it ONLY is in the Fuck AI community.
Also, the hands weren’t weird. You just can’t comprehend perspective.
My butt and reading comprehension are fine, thanks for asking. I was just adding context.
As for why I checked your history, I recognised your user tag from your reply, and was curious whether this was actually a common thing for you.
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One thing that always makes me think something is AI written is the repeated use of sentences like “It’s not X, its Y”.
I use that so much I just assumed AI got it from me
It’s very common on journalism.
You’re absolutely right! Let’s see if we can find better ways to determine if something is AI-generated:
- what other styles are giveaways?
- maybe a combination of em dashes and bulleted lists?
- I’m running out of ideas for this joke.
After several years of Word automatically changing a dash between two words to a wider dash (maybe not the same type as emdash?) it’s weird to see those same dashes becoming a tell of inauthentic.
When are we going to see the AI using two spaces after a full stop to try and pretend that it types like someone more than 50 years old?
I’m currently writing a book and I’m terrified of using EM dashes, even where they would be perfectly applicable. I always end up restructuring the sentences to avoid it. The only instance i keep it is for dialogoue interruptions like:
“I bend over and spread my—”
Just use them regardless. A lot of sloppers realized they can ask the slop making machines to leave them out. I even seen stuff when they added random typos to fool some people.
People who read books are a different breed. I wouldn’t worry about them.
But if we’re going to make a lazy heuristical stand against AI, I’ve always enjoyed the liberal use of semi-colons.
I think what makes the em dash seem AI-like is… there isnt an em dash button on the keyboard.
So typically the only way those show up is when markdown-to-blog-post tools convert normal dashes into stylized em dashes as a transpiling process.
Stuff like hugo and etc largely do this automatically.
So if a poster uses an em dash out of that context, it right away throws up a red flag cuz… howd you do that easily?
Did you memorize the alt code to make one?
Did you memorize the alt code to make one?
If you use the compose key, you don’t have to memorize the unicode value. You just press
compose ---.Did you memorize the alt code to make one?
Fun fact: on some keyboard layouts you can access the em dash easly
This is the most common Italian layout
You can see that you just need to press control+hyphen
It’s one click away on my android keyboard.
On a Mac it’s shift + option + dash. Just option + dash for an en dash.
Mac has always been opt+shift+hyphen
Honestly for old versions of windows yes, you had to learn the arcane alt+0151, but I was already used to that for typing in french on a British keyboard. It’s now more like Mac with win+shift+hyphen
Android and IPhone, you just hold on the hyphen to get to them
And many word processors (and Linux via compose) turn a triple hyphen into one
But if you’re writing something significant, you’re probably using a text editor, and many of them will automatically replace the en dash when the em dash when the are spaces on either side.
On Google keyboard you can just hold press the - key to get – or — or even •
With photography it’s also a grey area. I’m a professional underwater photographer. I’ve got thousands of dollars of specialized housings, lighting, wet lenses, etc, but the color is still wrong because water. Meanwhile some open water student swam by 40 minutes ago and made the whole area hazy.
So for decades I’ve done various degrees of touch up and and color grading because what you see with your eyes looks nothing like what comes out of the camera because human eyes and brains do a lot of processing that camera sensors don’t.
And then there’s generative stuff that I don’t think impact the art of photography. If someone uses generative noise reduction I don’t think that’s a problem. The non-generative solution to that is spending an extra 10 grand on a better camera and lens, so it’s not as much of a skill issue as a money one. I’m absolutely fine with people using generative tools for that stuff.
So where’s the border between acceptable and unacceptable post-processing? There’s clearly bad stuff like wholesale fakes and such, but I don’t know if we have a clear line.
The em dash is just one of the signs that usually (if you use more rhan 1 braincell) does not in itself signal AI. For me at least I need more than just them to identify something as AI, it’s the way they phrase stuff and use typical AI sentence structures.
With the recent tesseract drama, the developer put in a filter that filters out all “A.I. bot content”. The filter just basically looked for EM dash lol. I wonder how many other similar filters are out there…? Speaking of which, maybe I should stop using the fancy conjoined triple ellipse character…
Artist self insert, given Lemmy even accused them of being AI despite them documenting everything. That’s unfortunately the only way to validate at the moment, although if I’m being honest I kinda dig behind the scenes. It is especially interesting if you can see a beautiful photograph and all the work they put into getting the lighting just right.
My hot take. Apologies, but:
Why do people think they’re walking AI detectors, soley based on the art itself?
I find it pretentious.
To be clear, the who, where, and how a piece is published is important context. One should be suspicious of suspicious artists.
But not the what.
Don’t even look at the piece. Extreme cases aside, no one can definitively tell if art is AI generated just by looking at it.
People are getting a little too paranoid if you ask me, and it’s always tempting for people to jump on the bandwagon in order to make themselves feel cool or aloof or in-the-know or whatever else. I don’t hang around anywhere except Lemmy so I have no idea if it’s as bad as it is here, but it seems like any time basically any picture of any stripe gets posted there are always one or two dinguses who reflexively parrot “it’s AI!!!” and claim they can magically tell, even though it demonstrably isn’t. For extra hilarity, this occasionally includes people howling about how literal decades old image macros that were circulating in the first couple of years of the century are “obviously” AI because apparently it’s their first friggin’ time using the internet or something.
For the record, I vehemently loathe AI slop and the current crop of generative “AI” products in general, I don’t use any of them, and I never will. But people really can get carried away over this, too.
Eh. I can live with internet paranoia.
But I’m disproportionally annoyed by posters who think they’re experts at something when they’re not. Especially so angrily/loudly, like the scenarios you point out.
It’s especially ironic in this case, as the “false confidence” AI gives is what the accusers are against, isn’t it?
That and all proper English writing gets you accused of using ChatGPT, because ChatGPT was trained on proper English writing.
Not only that but also long explanations.
I am a part of a couple of self hosting subreddits and I like to explain why things are the way they are because I feel that it is valuable to share that knowledge, even if the person doesn’t care about the details initially.
I like to share my knowledge about things that I have used over multiple years, and I also don’t like to simple give you the solution because, most of the time, important information will be lost by just saying “do it like this”.
But over the last year I had a couple of people mention the typical “ignore all previous instructions” and lately it is just downvotes. No explanation.
People can’t detect AI so they see AI in everything.
Not only that but also long explanations.
The infuriating thing is, this complaint isn’t even new. People just have a trendy and new justification to latch onto, but it’s the same as it ever was. Many, possibly even most, of the people going so far as to take time out of their day to screech “TL;DR!” at you are really just admitting that their attention span has been so utterly fried by long term exposure to algorithm-driven corporate social media that they’re no longer capable of picking up whatever it is you’re laying down. That, and also tacitly revealing that because they personally can’t keep from fidgeting long enough to churn out two full paragraphs, that must mean no one else can, either.
I’ve been dropping doorstoppers on people since the days of dial-up. Back then the refrain was slightly different, but the complaint was still the same. By now my body of work, for lack of a better word, is clearly established. Hell, I cranked out so many words on the internet back in the day that Epinions sent me a hat in the mail completely unprompted for being a loquacious enough bastard to reach their list of top 100 contributors. Hands up everyone here who has actually worn out a keyboard? I suspect there are not many of us left.
At this stage in my life I take the opinion that anyone who can’t handle the volume of my writing is free to attempt an airborne indignity on an ambulatory baked confectionery product. I don’t have to show my homework to anyone.
And the blog format.
i use hyphens and “m-dashes” all the time, now it’s associated with bot speak 😂 my high school English teacher warned us about an illiterate society
I’d never heard about the em dash until it was used to sniff out LLM-slop, but now I have one more thing I aspire to use correctly in my writing.
I’m definitely not sure on how to use it yet.
To anyone who finds it necessary to “call out” stuff for being either fake or AI generated when there are no stakes, why are you like that? When you’re wrong, you’re at least as big of an asshole as anyone actually putting out AI generated art as if they made it. Probably more of an asshole because you’re specifically targeting an artist’s work while those posting AI art as if they made it aren’t trying to bring anyone down like you are.
Generating slop should be socially shunned, that’s the only way we survive this onslaught. Defending slopgen should be shunned as well.
I’m not trying to be dramatic or anything, but we’re in an existential battle for the survival of the concept of beauty here.Okay, but you shouldn’t accuse an image of being AI generated just because of vibes. Investigate first, find proof or at least strong evidence.
Alternatively, you shouldn’t share images that need to be thoroughly investigated to determine that they aren’t generated. Or maybe it’s somewhere in the middle.
It sucks, I don’t disagree with that.Do you even notice how now you’re the one saying people shouldn’t post their real art if it “needs to be thoroughly investigated”, whatever that means? AI mimics other styles, and it’s just going to keep getting better at it unless something actually stops it, which I don’t see happening without civilization itself collapsing because Pandora’s box is already open.
Not what I’m saying. I’m saying that if your art is so generic it’s indistinguishable from slop, maybe evolve your style a bit. In order for a slop to resemble your art, your art needs to be in a significant portion of the training data. In other words, generic.
This isn’t me being snobish snob (well…), every art has a purpose, I will defend your right to do whatever muzak you do and whatever alegria posters you make if it’s your way of expressing yourself. However, don’t be then surprised when in the same breath I’ll call your alegria poster boring corposhit. Or, keeping with times, slop from a butt.
Not disagreeing with the fact that it sucks major ass, I’m of the opinion that the only ethical behaviour there is to throw molotov cocktails at datacenters until there is none left, but that’s besides the point.
Blaming the victim, I see.
Oh no, what a terrible victimhood, being criticised for your ass picture you post, the horror
Social backlash is the best way to discourage use and promote education.
Being wrong is bound to happen, but the burden of proof is on those presenting their work. Just because its annoying doesnt mean its not effective or necessary
Agrees to the first sentiment, BS on the second. Don’t accuse people of things unless you can prove it. Or at least provide more than your gut feeling because “you can tell from the pixels”.
It’s unfortunate, but this is the burden created by machine generated art. The damage it has created will last for generations at the least.
The direct burden I’m seeing here is coming from pretentious knuckleheads washing themselves of all responsibility, arbitrarily calling peoples hard work “AI slop”, not the idiots generating “art”.
Any “acceptable” harm that only applies to a small subset of people can inevitably be applied to YOU.
Ai was created from human content, there is by definition someone whos art perfectly looks like AI.
I do agree its incredibly annoying, but as long as ai products are generated, those who disagree with it will point it out for others. Its the can of worms opened by the tech. I often get accused of writing like an AI, but they forget that im just autistic and love em dashes, semicolons, and comparisons.
Which puts even more of a burden on artists. This is the big irony of the whole movement to oppose AI and support artists is that, at least for this strain of it, more burden is placed on the artists to prove that they aren’t just using AI than on the AI ones themselves. They just generate whatever images and post them or use them. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s already generators that can generate wireframes or whatever “intermediate” step can serve as “proof” it wasn’t generated by AI. I can’t think of a single piece of evidence that couldn’t theoretically also be generated. Models today might require generating 1000 images and diacarding 950 of them but the ones who don’t care about how artists are affected probably also don’t care about how much energy it takes. But even if today’s models can’t do that, I believe others will be able to sometime soon.
The people putting out AI art just see “that’s AI” as “need to get better at using AI” not “need to stop using AI”. Maybe some would care, but as someone who generally doesn’t gaf about what people think about my opinions, I know I wouldn’t. But if I was an artist just wanting to share my art, I’d be more likely to just stop sharing it than jump through whatever hoops you want to prove I’m not guilty.
Funnily enough, the image “painted” actually reminded me of some older art done by Matt Page… specifically:
https://www.deviantart.com/fallout161/art/R-E-B-I-R-T-H-37772948
A bit old but it immediately reminded me of it.
And it’s not just laymen who miss label art as ai art. I’ve seen artist attacking other artists and claim that other artist uses AI. And they came with “receipts” in the comments. Even when others pointed out the history of the other artist the attacker doubled down.
When i saw the character face i unironnically thought it was AI 😭
Luckly I just continue to look at the drawing for other clues and I am sure it’s legit
Signal boost this so people can learn this artist exists and stop calling their work ai
i think this is more a problem with the digital art. AI hasnt sprung arms nor a wallet to go out and buy the crazy expensive art supplies yet required to put blobs on the canvas.
Give it a few years, and some very hateful AI bro will build a CNC machine that prints JPEGs using oil paint.
ok go ahead and outrage on a whatif then. suit yourself. meanwhile the digital world is the thing that is burning right now.
Found the hateful AI bro!
Your trolling is amateur level
Yeah, AI Psychosis is real. It’s kinda funny watching people shout down something as AI when clearly it isn’t.
This is why low-quality art gets more trust from me. Nobody’s using AI to draw a stick figure.
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