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    Everyone else: China please save us from the deranged bully that is the US

    China: *continues to play alone with their trains and EVs

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      I mean I wish they were more militant and think they’ve gone to far in the other direction in trying to avoid the missteps of the USSR, on the other hand I’m some random internet commentor while the CPC is a collective of very intelligent people who have studied history, Marxism, military strategy etc more than I have and have better and more accurate information on current events than me trying to derive the truth from multiple biased public sources, so I still I think their strategy will work out for humanity long-term as the decline of the US moves along

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        It’s not up to them, we have to save ourselves. No one saved them, why can’t we save ourselves?

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          I agree with the sentiment, but they had a lot of support from the soviets from the creation of the party up until the split,
          ‘save them’ is perhaps the wrong term but the communist insurgencies in e.g. India and the Philippines could hugely benefit from even a fraction of the level of support the CPC received from the soviets during their liberation war

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            the landscape was different back when the soviets supported them and others:

            back then, the only source of anti-communist propaganda was the epstein oligarchy through their limited capture of the media and president roosevelt’s new deal proved how woefully ineffective it was against combating reality. today we have professionally & academically researched, tested and, curated propaganda that’s slipped into highly desirable and completely captured media – in a manner much like you would slip a veterinary pill into a treat to administer to a pet dog – and it’s proved to be so effective that westerners themselves are now the biggest source of propaganda via self reinforcement.

            these brainworms have us eschewing and voting against things that are in our best self interests like unions, education, housing, healthcare, infrastructure investments, etc. while it has us encouraging things that are objectively bad like genocides, ethnic cleanings, and climate change.

            these brainworms simultaneously label anyone who questions it as tankies online or terrorists in real life and the epstein oligarchy has mastered how to silence them without using outright censorship.

            these brainworms make us reject any progressive movement by ensuring it gets either captured by people who mislead like aipac/dnc or captured by people who are promoted because they say the right buzzwords – but have an otherwise status-quo platform – like graham platner or hasan piker.

            i’m sure that the chinese can see that this brainwormed groupthink has gripped the entire western world and it makes them aware that there are enough westerners caught up in it to effectively make us collectively willing to die on this propaganda manufactured hill and especially so if they push the issue further via intervention or support.

            any materialist at any level can see that these perpetual genocides, ethnic cleansings, or climate change will eventually bite us in the ass and the chinese are just as likely aware. history makes the chinese know that nature will do a significantly better job than any intervention or support that they could render – as well as that any action on their part will be met with a brainwormed response – so they chose to take no action; let nature take its course; and primarily focus on themselves.

            it’s up to us to get ourselves of this hole that the epstein oligarchy fooled us into digging for ourselves and – if we don’t – climate change will do it for us.

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      Baltimore 2015 protests vs Hong Kong 2019 protests for me.

      Police were driving in tanks to Baltimore for a peaceful protest
      and commenters were all on this “what about public property rights?
      What about the rights of store owners?” tinge,
      because a couple of protesters decided to burn a trash can
      and protested on a work day, so store owners decided to close their shop,
      thus losing money (Oh no!).

      Hong Kong 2019 came around and rioters were tearing down train stations left and right
      trashing stores breaking anything and everything until there was nothing left of it,
      tearing up roads to block traffic, setting up bombs, attempts to derail a train,
      biting police officers, stabbing police officers, driving into police officers with a vehicle,
      attempts to steal guns from police officer holsters, beating up civilians,
      setting one on fire for saying “Can’t we get along?” and killing another.

      And then they demanded to be fully free of any charges for that and a apology for being called rioters.
      All because Hong Kong wanted to arrest a murderer and extradite him to Taiwan.
      Not one that the protesters believed he was innocent,
      as he was the only suspect of choking a recently graduated high school girl to death
      and then chopped her up into little pieces with an axe, throwing her remains into the river.

      And the reaction? “What a beautiful sight. Such brave resistance fighters. Such brutal police.”

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        I specifically remember one article that was “the Hong Kong freedom fighters are using bows and arrows against police, just like in heckin Hunger Games”

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          What I remember from the Hong Kong protests:
          “Hong Kong peaceful protesters are resisting police crackdowns by bravely opposing their ‘cease and desist banners’, armed with nothing but umbrellas, laser pointers and petrol bombs.”

          What I remember from the George Floyd protests:
          “Laser pens and petrol bombs are lethal weapons and if anyone uses them, they’ve become legitimate targets justified to use maximum lethal force against them by our armed forces. Those aren’t your grandma’s lasers. Shoot those bastards!”

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    Well, it’s not exactly a tough choice between one country that will bomb you or kidnap your elected leader if you go against its wishes, and another that will respect your choices…

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      Actually, they can. Just because you’re not able to notice a pattern in your actions doesn’t mean others can’t.

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      “Better to talk loudly to show you are a lying moron than hold your tongue and allow them to remain uncertain” - the book of Trump 230:-12 from the new trump bible.

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      Not entirely wrong for sure, but sounds like something someone who just lost their meticulously built popularity would say.

      The US spent enormous resources since WWII to portray itself as the good guy on the world stage.