Your body starts falling apart faster if you don’t maintain it.
There’s a corollary here that I don’t see anyone talking about. If you set a good plan to maintain your body fitness from say your mid 30s on, one day you’ll be doing that same reasonable workout routine and then you hurt yourself because its too much. Yesterday it was fine, the prior 15 years it had been fine, but now its not, and you have an injury you need 3 to 6 months to recover from. You think its a fluke and, once healed, you go back to your fitness routine and you injury yourself in a different way. Another 3 to 6 months of recovery.
There appears to be a need to modify or abandon parts of your fitness routine as you get older, but there’s no guidebook on what to stop doing and when, nor what to be doing instead.
My guess is as you get older, those support muscles that help keep everything in place also need work. Also, bad form habits are more likely to rear their head as time goes on.
So the people who didn’t perfect their form, the ones who use tricks to lift what they do (like a curl you can only complete if you start out my building up momentum on the lower part to get through the upper part), the ones who only work their major muscles, those are most likely to get hurt.
Though there’s also wear and tear on your non-muscle infra, like your bones, joints, tendons, and cartilege. If you keep pushing for heavier weights, you put more and more strain on those. They can improve somewhat with training but they aren’t like muscles where straining them to the point of failure and tearing encourages the body to build more and age doesn’t help there either, especially if you develop arthritis or something that further weakens that support infra.
Not who you asked but I think the absolute best bang for your buck would be a simple barbell program. 531 for Beginners you could run this program for a year and It will completely change your physique. To make a dead simple I would install the boostcamp app and use it to track your sets/reps/progress, it has instructions for the exercises which are easy to learn
I’ve never seen myself much as a weight pusher.
I do have some weights somewhere, but I always was a proponent of just using your body weight.
And although a part of the motivation comes from looking good naked again, it’s not so much about that - and that’s what I’ve always associated with weight lifting.
But I’ll look into it.
Trying something new is always additional motivation anyway and my prejudice here is very probably wrong anyway.
No worries I’m always happy to help someone get started. I have always been skinny 165lb runner and cyclist. But I wanted to try lifting a barbell and a few years later I’m sitting at 220lbs with a powerlifting gym in my basement feeling better than I did in my 20s.
In this thread already some people mention weight lifting as being helpful
So, I’ll look into it
But I don’t really want to build up mass.
I always liked being skinny, but defined and with strength/endurance.
I want the body to be able to do what I like.
So, going skiing or surfing and everything else.
I always find those mountains of muscles some bodybuilders move around strange, because they don’t seem to be really functional for sport and reduce the ability to move, when they get extreme.
I’m thinking of getting back into fighting sports.
Did Hapkido for some time in my 20s and really liked it. But my joints are aching by just holding the phone to long.
So doing some painful levering on them during training doesn’t sound so wise…
I’m currently trying to get them better with some elastic band exercises and try to build up on that, by extending the movement to also include the shoulders.
But obviously, this is more of a health exercise, than a real sport thing
Ah yeah maybe I should’ve clarified a bit I’m not talking about bodybuilding I’m talking about strength training which is way more functional. It’s not easy to get bulbous, it certainly won’t happen by accident. Was able to do a 120km bike ride last summer through the mountains, big hikes, etc no trouble. But when it’s time to lift something heavy jaws drop hah. Judo partners are like “Shit” Everybody could use a few extra pounds of muscle
I researched the shit out of various programs and you’ll quickly learn there’s a lot of advice, opinion, and lore in the world of lifting. What I concluded was that all I needed were dumbbells, a barbell (optional), access to a leg press, lat pulldown, and a seated row machines. All staples at any gym. For a home gym you can replace most of these machines with dumbbell alternates.
The last two work muscles you just can’t access as efficiently with free weights.
I started with whatever felt easy enough. My beginner dumbbell press weight was 20lbs, double fly was 5lbs, as examples.
I usually do these in 3 sets of 8 repetitions taking a one minute break between sets.
The numbers are the weight I will attempt first. The +/- means if too easy, add the weight on the third set. If too hard, remove the weight after attempting the new weight.
I try to always hit failure. Sometimes I do it, sometimes I only get five reps.
I don’t like all the silly programs 5/3/1 Faster, Stronger, Harder, or what not. I do these and occasionally try new lifts. That’s it.
You can do 2 sets of 6 reps at higher weights and get similar results as long as you hit failure, get enough protein, and sleep at least six hours.
Thank you very much!
Saved your comment and will probably build up some kind of similar training for my pre surfing workout, so I don’t look like an absolute idiot, who can’t even manage to get out to the waves ;-)
You’re (at least?) the second one recommending weight lifting and barbells.
So I guess, there is something to it
Will need to make some room in the apartment for it, as I’m not the biggest fan of going to the gym
Until it broke, I had such a thing to do pull ups at the door frame
Which was great to get rid of stress.
So I just did some pull ups during work, when I needed to get rid of the adrenaline - else I’ll just end completely tensed up in the evening
We have a room full of stuff we don’t use and call it our storage room.
It’s a waste of space anyway. Maybe I can combine that 2 things and clean out the room, to make a little gym and reading room :-)
Oh! Then get a good pair of adjustable dumbbells and a simple adjustable bench. That’ll take very little space. Replace that pull-up bar and you’re done. You can get the Power Block for about $300.
Just swap out any exercise I stated that needs gym equipment with a similar exercise using dumbbells. Reducing the reps from 3x8 to 2x6 will cut down the workout time significantly and yield almost identical results (if you reach failure.)
Comment saved again, thank you
Will have quite some research to-do tomorrow, to get all the input of you guys sorted out.
And, as now mentioned multiple times already in this thread, I’ll get rid of our fucking “storage room” of mostly trash and make some place for a little gym out of it.
Thank you so much for all your input!
All of you have really motivated me to actually do something about it :-)
You won’t regret it! Something about building functional strength while looking better is very addicting. Take it slow and just lift a little hard next time.
I really, really wish I could get back into it. I had some severe back injuries and now I have days where I can barely stand. Physical therapy helped a bit, but they have said that some risky (and very expensive) spine surgery is my best bet to get back to semi normal.
From what I understand, yes. I am not really onboard with that plan so I am just trying to continue doing what I can of the exercises that my physical therapist gave me and hope that it can alleviate a bit of the pain and periods of immobility.
That’s rough. I’m not sure what you can/can’t do safely, but in my amateur opinion building up your posterior chain is the best thing you can do to stabilize your back, especially if you sit a lot
Yeah, I’m in my very early 40’s now and after being really skinny for all my life, I’m suddenly getting a beer belly
Having some emotional hardships in the last 2 years didn’t help with that either.
So, my first step will be to stop drinking and smoking daily, and start to do some sport, with surfing on holidays being the motivation.
But every time, I’m getting back from a (usually demanding) business trip, I can’t do anything, but lay flat.
Like many times, I’m now suffering with a fever and some sinusitis since a week as I got back home.
Every fucking time, I’ve build up some physical condition, I’m getting sick with something and seemingly lose everything I’ve won.
This is really frustrating and I’m not sure, how I can break that cycle.
Obviously food (besides stopping to drink and smoke) has a major impact.
But as my wife is a vegetarian, everything I’m cooking is usually vegetarian and healthy already.
On business trips though, they aren’t those romantic business trips with good food, wine and just networking.
I’m working in industry warehouses and all the restaurants around are usually rather shit.
I usually don’t have lunch, as it makes me too tired in the afternoon. So I tried to have something like Soylent (in my case, I stuck with Plenny + milk and fresh fruits instead of just water) and that felt better.
But it gets quite boring after a few months.
I think, finding a goal, like being able to surf and not just die breathless on the board, is the way to go for me.
But every time, I start for such a regime, I’m getting sick and it feels like everything was for nothing, because all the condition I’ve build up is seemingly lost again…
Would be very much open for suggestions, because I can’t really find a way out, but I have to.
I’m getting more and more unhappy with myself.
I don’t know if it’s at all possible for you and depends on where you live and work, but I try to integrate “little sports” in my daily life. I try to cycle and walk to places as much as possible, instead of bus or tram. Try to use staircases instead of elevators. Etc. It can be small things, but easier to keep up than a real sporty regime.
Yeah, that’s a good thing!
By bike I’m much faster at the warehouse with by test station and during summer I do that.
Only in winter and with rain, I use the car.
And you’re right, that already seems to make a difference.
Regarding your hint with the stairs:
Doing that already.
In hotels I’m using the stairs to train myself a bit and at home in only in the first floor (well, 1,5 because if the entrance stairs to the house)
It sounds childish, but since if got a SmartWatch, it motivates me, that I can see the daily/weekly statistics of how many stairs I took.
Gamification really seems to work ;-)
That’s nice of you, but walking isn’t a problem
I’m often doing 18000 steps and more at work
It’s more about doing real training exercises over a longer period of time
You’re aware of all the changes you need to make, or at least you have a strong intuition. All of my lasting adaptations have been built on tiny increments gained over time, and only from a place of love. Be kind to yourself. Also, if you’re not already looking at it, strongly consider your sleep hygiene. Good, consistent sleep is the base of the pyramid. No lasting change, especially when it comes to one’s physical condition, can be sustained if your sleep is shit.
Sleep is probably an issue as well, yes …
I’m often on business trips and my work schedule isn’t set in stone.
If a customer needs help, I’ll be up at night.
On business trips, I don’t have any free day and work through - and with often changed times, as I can’t change anything during production, but can only monitor.
So I need to do the changes at night and if I change anything on the weekend, I need to be there at Monday morning (5-6) to monitor the production start.
I think, changing the stuff I do in my free time, could help me to handle this work life better.
I’ll start with little things now, as soon as I’ve got finally rid of this fucking flu…
Mid-forties are a decision point. It’s when you decide to either get healthy, and stay healthy the rest of your life, or… you don’t.
Your body starts falling apart faster if you don’t maintain it. Unlike the years before, the health losses are forever.
Fair warning.
There’s a corollary here that I don’t see anyone talking about. If you set a good plan to maintain your body fitness from say your mid 30s on, one day you’ll be doing that same reasonable workout routine and then you hurt yourself because its too much. Yesterday it was fine, the prior 15 years it had been fine, but now its not, and you have an injury you need 3 to 6 months to recover from. You think its a fluke and, once healed, you go back to your fitness routine and you injury yourself in a different way. Another 3 to 6 months of recovery.
There appears to be a need to modify or abandon parts of your fitness routine as you get older, but there’s no guidebook on what to stop doing and when, nor what to be doing instead.
My guess is as you get older, those support muscles that help keep everything in place also need work. Also, bad form habits are more likely to rear their head as time goes on.
So the people who didn’t perfect their form, the ones who use tricks to lift what they do (like a curl you can only complete if you start out my building up momentum on the lower part to get through the upper part), the ones who only work their major muscles, those are most likely to get hurt.
Though there’s also wear and tear on your non-muscle infra, like your bones, joints, tendons, and cartilege. If you keep pushing for heavier weights, you put more and more strain on those. They can improve somewhat with training but they aren’t like muscles where straining them to the point of failure and tearing encourages the body to build more and age doesn’t help there either, especially if you develop arthritis or something that further weakens that support infra.
Starting to lift was the best decision I ever made at 40
Same but cycling. Stumbling into a workout that I look forward to was game changing.
Seriously! I have the best physique I’ve ever had and look five years younger. It costs me three hours a week and a little effort.
Care to share your workout regime?
I have a real problem of keeping it up for more than 2 weeks…
3 hours a week sounds manageable though
Not who you asked but I think the absolute best bang for your buck would be a simple barbell program. 531 for Beginners you could run this program for a year and It will completely change your physique. To make a dead simple I would install the boostcamp app and use it to track your sets/reps/progress, it has instructions for the exercises which are easy to learn
Thank you very much for the input
I’ve never seen myself much as a weight pusher.
I do have some weights somewhere, but I always was a proponent of just using your body weight.
And although a part of the motivation comes from looking good naked again, it’s not so much about that - and that’s what I’ve always associated with weight lifting.
But I’ll look into it.
Trying something new is always additional motivation anyway and my prejudice here is very probably wrong anyway.
So thanks for that, will read into it :-)
No worries I’m always happy to help someone get started. I have always been skinny 165lb runner and cyclist. But I wanted to try lifting a barbell and a few years later I’m sitting at 220lbs with a powerlifting gym in my basement feeling better than I did in my 20s.
In this thread already some people mention weight lifting as being helpful
So, I’ll look into it
But I don’t really want to build up mass.
I always liked being skinny, but defined and with strength/endurance.
I want the body to be able to do what I like.
So, going skiing or surfing and everything else.
I always find those mountains of muscles some bodybuilders move around strange, because they don’t seem to be really functional for sport and reduce the ability to move, when they get extreme.
I’m thinking of getting back into fighting sports.
Did Hapkido for some time in my 20s and really liked it. But my joints are aching by just holding the phone to long.
So doing some painful levering on them during training doesn’t sound so wise…
I’m currently trying to get them better with some elastic band exercises and try to build up on that, by extending the movement to also include the shoulders.
But obviously, this is more of a health exercise, than a real sport thing
Ah yeah maybe I should’ve clarified a bit I’m not talking about bodybuilding I’m talking about strength training which is way more functional. It’s not easy to get bulbous, it certainly won’t happen by accident. Was able to do a 120km bike ride last summer through the mountains, big hikes, etc no trouble. But when it’s time to lift something heavy jaws drop hah. Judo partners are like “Shit” Everybody could use a few extra pounds of muscle
I researched the shit out of various programs and you’ll quickly learn there’s a lot of advice, opinion, and lore in the world of lifting. What I concluded was that all I needed were dumbbells, a barbell (optional), access to a leg press, lat pulldown, and a seated row machines. All staples at any gym. For a home gym you can replace most of these machines with dumbbell alternates.
The last two work muscles you just can’t access as efficiently with free weights.
I started with whatever felt easy enough. My beginner dumbbell press weight was 20lbs, double fly was 5lbs, as examples.
I usually do these in 3 sets of 8 repetitions taking a one minute break between sets.
Monday – Legs + Abs
Squat (Quads/Glutes) 45+10 Weighted Lunges (Quads) 30+0 Weighted Hip Thrust (Glutes) 60+10 Leg Press (115+10) Declined Overhead Weighted Sit-up (Abs) 10+15 Standing Calf Raises (Calves) 135+25 Dumbbell Romanian Deadlift (Hamstrings/Glutes) 35+5
Wednesday – Push (Chest/Shoulders/Triceps + Abs)
Dumbbell Bench Press (Chest) 45-5 Dumbbell Overhead Press (Shoulders) 25-5 Dumbbell Fly 20-5 Dumbbell Lateral Raise (Shoulders) 15-5 Hanging Leg/Knee Raise (Abs) body weight Incline Dumbbell Press (Chest) 40-5 Dumbbell Overhead Triceps Extension (Triceps) 40-5
Friday – Pull (Back/Biceps)
Lat Pulldown (Back) 100-15 Seated Row (Back) 100-15 Hanging Leg/Knee Raise (Abs) body weight Dumbbell Curl (Biceps) 30-5 Dumbbell Bent Over Row (Back) 45-5 Dumbbell Romanian Deadlift (Hamstrings/Glutes) 45-5 Hammer Curl (Biceps/Forearms) 25-5
If I didn’t know what an exercise was, I looked it up here.
https://fitbod.me/exercises/dumbbells
The numbers are the weight I will attempt first. The +/- means if too easy, add the weight on the third set. If too hard, remove the weight after attempting the new weight.
I try to always hit failure. Sometimes I do it, sometimes I only get five reps.
I don’t like all the silly programs 5/3/1 Faster, Stronger, Harder, or what not. I do these and occasionally try new lifts. That’s it.
You can do 2 sets of 6 reps at higher weights and get similar results as long as you hit failure, get enough protein, and sleep at least six hours.
Thank you very much!
Saved your comment and will probably build up some kind of similar training for my pre surfing workout, so I don’t look like an absolute idiot, who can’t even manage to get out to the waves ;-)
You’re (at least?) the second one recommending weight lifting and barbells.
So I guess, there is something to it
Will need to make some room in the apartment for it, as I’m not the biggest fan of going to the gym
Until it broke, I had such a thing to do pull ups at the door frame
Which was great to get rid of stress.
So I just did some pull ups during work, when I needed to get rid of the adrenaline - else I’ll just end completely tensed up in the evening
We have a room full of stuff we don’t use and call it our storage room.
It’s a waste of space anyway. Maybe I can combine that 2 things and clean out the room, to make a little gym and reading room :-)
Oh! Then get a good pair of adjustable dumbbells and a simple adjustable bench. That’ll take very little space. Replace that pull-up bar and you’re done. You can get the Power Block for about $300.
Just swap out any exercise I stated that needs gym equipment with a similar exercise using dumbbells. Reducing the reps from 3x8 to 2x6 will cut down the workout time significantly and yield almost identical results (if you reach failure.)
When I’m traveling I do this:
3x8 Walking lunges 25 lbs +5 3x8 Dumbbell Rows 25 lbs +5 3x8 Chest Press 25 lbs +0 3x8 Dumbbell Shoulder Press 20 lbs +0 3x8 Dumbbell Biceps Curls 25 lbs +0 3x8 Dumbbell Triceps Extensions 25 lbs +0
For an easy full body workout that only requires dumbbells.
Comment saved again, thank you
Will have quite some research to-do tomorrow, to get all the input of you guys sorted out.
And, as now mentioned multiple times already in this thread, I’ll get rid of our fucking “storage room” of mostly trash and make some place for a little gym out of it.
Thank you so much for all your input!
All of you have really motivated me to actually do something about it :-)
You won’t regret it! Something about building functional strength while looking better is very addicting. Take it slow and just lift a little hard next time.
I really, really wish I could get back into it. I had some severe back injuries and now I have days where I can barely stand. Physical therapy helped a bit, but they have said that some risky (and very expensive) spine surgery is my best bet to get back to semi normal.
What are you looking at, disc replacement?
From what I understand, yes. I am not really onboard with that plan so I am just trying to continue doing what I can of the exercises that my physical therapist gave me and hope that it can alleviate a bit of the pain and periods of immobility.
That’s rough. I’m not sure what you can/can’t do safely, but in my amateur opinion building up your posterior chain is the best thing you can do to stabilize your back, especially if you sit a lot
Yeah, I’m in my very early 40’s now and after being really skinny for all my life, I’m suddenly getting a beer belly
Having some emotional hardships in the last 2 years didn’t help with that either.
So, my first step will be to stop drinking and smoking daily, and start to do some sport, with surfing on holidays being the motivation.
But every time, I’m getting back from a (usually demanding) business trip, I can’t do anything, but lay flat.
Like many times, I’m now suffering with a fever and some sinusitis since a week as I got back home.
Every fucking time, I’ve build up some physical condition, I’m getting sick with something and seemingly lose everything I’ve won.
This is really frustrating and I’m not sure, how I can break that cycle.
Obviously food (besides stopping to drink and smoke) has a major impact.
But as my wife is a vegetarian, everything I’m cooking is usually vegetarian and healthy already.
On business trips though, they aren’t those romantic business trips with good food, wine and just networking.
I’m working in industry warehouses and all the restaurants around are usually rather shit.
I usually don’t have lunch, as it makes me too tired in the afternoon. So I tried to have something like Soylent (in my case, I stuck with Plenny + milk and fresh fruits instead of just water) and that felt better.
But it gets quite boring after a few months.
I think, finding a goal, like being able to surf and not just die breathless on the board, is the way to go for me.
But every time, I start for such a regime, I’m getting sick and it feels like everything was for nothing, because all the condition I’ve build up is seemingly lost again…
Would be very much open for suggestions, because I can’t really find a way out, but I have to.
I’m getting more and more unhappy with myself.
I don’t know if it’s at all possible for you and depends on where you live and work, but I try to integrate “little sports” in my daily life. I try to cycle and walk to places as much as possible, instead of bus or tram. Try to use staircases instead of elevators. Etc. It can be small things, but easier to keep up than a real sporty regime.
Yeah, that’s a good thing!
By bike I’m much faster at the warehouse with by test station and during summer I do that.
Only in winter and with rain, I use the car.
And you’re right, that already seems to make a difference.
Regarding your hint with the stairs:
Doing that already.
In hotels I’m using the stairs to train myself a bit and at home in only in the first floor (well, 1,5 because if the entrance stairs to the house)
It sounds childish, but since if got a SmartWatch, it motivates me, that I can see the daily/weekly statistics of how many stairs I took.
Gamification really seems to work ;-)
If gamification works for you, maybe give walkscape.app a chance. Looks cool, but my phone was too crappy
That’s nice of you, but walking isn’t a problem
I’m often doing 18000 steps and more at work
It’s more about doing real training exercises over a longer period of time
You’re aware of all the changes you need to make, or at least you have a strong intuition. All of my lasting adaptations have been built on tiny increments gained over time, and only from a place of love. Be kind to yourself. Also, if you’re not already looking at it, strongly consider your sleep hygiene. Good, consistent sleep is the base of the pyramid. No lasting change, especially when it comes to one’s physical condition, can be sustained if your sleep is shit.
Thanks for the kind words :-)
Sleep is probably an issue as well, yes …
I’m often on business trips and my work schedule isn’t set in stone.
If a customer needs help, I’ll be up at night.
On business trips, I don’t have any free day and work through - and with often changed times, as I can’t change anything during production, but can only monitor.
So I need to do the changes at night and if I change anything on the weekend, I need to be there at Monday morning (5-6) to monitor the production start.
I think, changing the stuff I do in my free time, could help me to handle this work life better.
I’ll start with little things now, as soon as I’ve got finally rid of this fucking flu…