The curse of vaccines is that they’re victims of their own success. They are so successful in fact that people forget why we need them in the first place. That’s why we unfortunately need a control group.
Thankfully some people volunteer for that role …
The phrase “there is no glory in prevention” is well known in related fields
I mean, you say that. But we have a quarterly all-hands office meeting at my company. Every meeting kicks off with “This is how many accidents we had this quarter. We are aiming for ZERO accidents. Zero Is Achievable.” And in the quarters we’ve had zero accidents, the upper management makes a big deal out of it.
There have been a number of campaigns to eliminate certain viruses from the human population - smallpox being the most famous. And there was quite a bit of glory doled out to celebrate the regional elimination of these contagions.
It’s possible to make prevention a celebrated endeavor. But you do have to prioritize it. And you can’t run away and blow it off when you fail. I think the real “no glory” issue is in bungled preventative campaigns. Far easier to insist vaccinations don’t work than to acknowledge our pre-Trump efforts at vaccinating the population have been half-assed and profit-motivated.
unfortunately :/
I feel like the antivaxxers are more concentrated in the developed north because of privileges; from having better access to healthcare, better economy, and less prevalence of deadlier diseases because of colder climate. So they get treatment more easily if they need one, and don’t see nasty diseases. Meanwhile, the global south tend to believe more in vaccinations because diseases in warmer climate are more common and deadlier.
yeah there’s definitely a correlation between temperature and diseases/infection.
it’s well known for example that the Thai and Spanish people all eat very spicy food because it disinfects the body from the inside out. Which reduces diseases. That only works for bacteria though, not viruses.
:o
I never even thought of that.
See, mom? I’ve been collecting ulcers for good reason!? what do ulcers have to do with it?
It was a joke, but the joke was that capsaicin causes ulcers.
It’s actually a common myth, it seems. Whoops. :p
what’s capsaicin?
Capsaicin is the spicy chemical found in peppers and whatnot. It’s what actually causes the ‘heat’.
Someone should send that memo to Florida man.
I don’t know what word I want to use. Not unintelligent, not really dumb or ignorant (although the people who blindly follow others who tell them they’re bad are), stupid? But at the top it seems like there’s people saying this stuff who are seemingly none of those. Malignant, I guess?
Either way, people need to realize how important vaccines are.
Oh are you thinking of state level disinformation campaigns? If only there was some evidence that you could find to prove those things exist. Hmmm what ever will you do? nah, speculating on lemmy is the only thing we can do. Them misinformation spreaders are bad amirite
I’m not from the states. But merely questioning the motives of whoever is starting these disinformation campaigns. Vaccines work and keep people safe. Bottom line. No one can successfully argue the contrary.
Are you doing okay?
Hmmm if only there was proof of these state sponsors information warfare campaigns using anti-vax misnformation. Hmm no better stick to misunderstanding sarcasm on lemmy and then speculating on things I could probably verify. Them misinfo spreaders are bad, am i right or what?
Wooosh.
If only.
What are you even trying to argue?
Poor things, give them some homeopathic placebo at least
I can’t describe how many patients I see in an average week who are taking homeopathic stuff for their dental diseases and ask me hopefully if it’s working. No, magic toxin water has not cured your gingivitis or rebuilt your cavitated tooth.
The real deal 🔥
Sadly, the stupid tend to breed prolifically, and anti-vax idiots often have a gaggle of spawn, and are keen to whelp more litters as the others die from perfectly preventable diseases
I think about that often. The people who have the most kids are generally the ones who can’t afford them and have a harder time providing extra-curricular activities or those with more extreme religious beliefs who may opt out of scientific education. If your average Mormon has 3-4 kids and your average astrophysicist has 1-2, the population trend must eventually follow.
Mormons, Jews, Protestants and Catholics, and Muslims all seem to have more children the farther down the crazy path they go. I don’t know enough about other religions.
Of course they have many kids. They need to in order to survive their genes.
Many of their kids never reach adulthood.
Not that many of them die in Western countries although they may have shorter overall lifespans. Doesn’t help that they add generations in 15-22 years instead of 25-40.
In 1st world countries I don’t think that’s true at all…to the point where I’ll say you’re flat out wrong. At least for many, many years that hasn’t been the case.
Can’t comment about less fortunate countries though.
They’re just attempting an R strategy
Ow, my balls
Go away! Baitin’!
r strategists
nods The natural order.
I know a couple of anti-vax people who won’t take or get any vaccine, but they will happily buy unregulated dick pills from china.
Wait you know more than one anti-vaxxer and they all/both order dick pills, what are the odds.
Also, they don’t just sell them in the pharmacy like in the UK?
AFAIK, Cialis and Viagra (and their generics) are prescription only. So you can’t just have a discussion with the pharmacist to get those.
There’s often pills you can buy that contain those or similar compounds. Literally gas station boner pills. At least in my country the government is pretty good at finding/seizing them and releasing notices about it (if you look).
Edit: Just to make sure, do not buy these. They’re not regulated and can cause serious side effects. Go to your doctor if you need something like this.
Some of those illegal gas station pills cause priapism (erection for a dangerously long period of time), which could permanently destroy your ability to get an erection in the future if not treated.
I agree 100 % or other heart-related things depending on what else you may be taking.
Would never recommend buying them and am happy how the government is dealing with them.
Those would be the regulated ones
Fuck, you made me laugh cough with that last bit.
We should thank the antivaxxers. There was a suspicion for years that vaccines over age 60 reduce the incidence of neurodegenerative diseases but due to high uptake, a control group was not obvious, nor ethical to impose.
Now, the control group has appeared and vaccines, especially Shingrex, lower Alzheimer incidence by 20-30%.
In fact, vaccines work far better than the last two FDA approved antibody therapies for dementia costing $26000 a year.
This was a very promising route to prevent neurodegenerative diseases but Trump ironically cut all this research in 2025. So he’ll die of literal brain rot, because Tony Fauci make him feel inferior.
I’m wondering if it’s really the vaccine or if what makes you vulnerable to the antivax idea also makes you more prone to neurodegenerescence.
Jesus Christ, the Nurglites have come out of the woodwork in this thread.
As a guy who runs Nurgle, this is genuinely quite hurtful.
But Papa Nurgle gives his gifts to bring you love and happiness, he wants to end your pain and suffering. That’s the exact opposite of these idiot asses.
Well, their kids are. They, no doubt, were vaccinated by their parents.
Does anybody else remember the good old days before the pandemic when anti-vaxers where a left wing phenomenon? It was mostly popular among the all natural hippies who were convinced that crystals and meditation could cure diseases and that all modern medicine was a scam by the all powerful and all elusive “big pharma”… It’s sad that anti-vaxers went from being clowns that everybody made fun to being a serious problem because a big chunk of society decided to go brain dead and now old diseases are making a comeback.
all natural hippies who are convinced that crystals and meditation could cure diseases and that all modern medicine was a scam by the all powerful and all elusive “big pharma” are right wing now
I feel sorry for people who sign up for vaccine trials and get the placebo.
I honestly am starting to think the anti-vaxx crowd has been astroturfed by pharmaceutical corporations in order to convince the general public that anyone who questions Big Pharma is some loomy who thinks vaccines cause autism wants to drink raw milk.
I’ve never once met the stereotype antivaxxer (dumb, thinks apple cider vinegar cures cancer, etc). I have a bunch of anti-vax coworkers (ironic as I work in healthcare) and they’re highly educated, normal people who don’t drink raw milk (though I’ve tried it and it’s just … milk.)
This whole planet is one big experiment.
The first batches of mRNA vaccines were terrible. One of my friends had his skin start peeling after the first shot. Two others died within a day from the third shot. One of them was an athlete who swam daily. In my country, they were pushed on everyone, babies and pregnant women, some of whom later had abortions. But I guess no one will ever admit any mistakes. it’s easier to sow division among people than to seriously look into potential side effects.
I knew an athlete who had an mRNA vaccine and he died in a car accident two days afterwards. This was a very fit and healthy person who ran daily.
Hilarious, did you come up with this yourself, using your own talent?
Yeah I did, kinda like how only twelve people came up with 90% of the anti vax bullshit that got spread around during COVID.
I’m not trying to defend anti-vax views, but to critique the culture of denial. Clearly, it’s difficult for many to discuss the negative aspects without dismissal, likely due to the cognitive dissonance they experience.
If that’s your goal, the most polite thing I can say is that maybe you should reconsider your strategy.
AI chats made people feel like everyone has to agree with them, “such a great question” “good point” The internet is so dead. soon you’ll only be talking to AI agents anyway, so enjoy the last bits of real people.
I don’t know what this has to do with anything. I love it when people disagree with me. Either they make interesting points and I have fun learning something or they post drivel and I have fun with them until I get bored. It’s all upside.
Bruh I’ve hated you pro-disease morons long before AI existed. I don’t care if “everyone agrees with me” except on topics where you’re causing children to die of preventable diseases for no fucking reason.
We had literally solved the problem of measles, and now you’ve brought it back out of pure foolishness. Those sick and dying children are entirely the fault of people like you.
I know someone who knows someone who’s friend’s postman had it and he grew a third arm!
Here’s a link to a website where you can find your intellectual companions and gaslight each other: reddit.com
Why go to Reddit? Plenty of people like you do it on here regularly as well.
But I guess no one will ever admit any mistakes.
Do you mean outside of vaccine adverse event reporting system ? A system transparent and dedicated to reporting side effects ? https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety-systems/vaers/index.html
It seems that you are tied with a lot of very unfortunate people. It almost seems improbable.
Any medicine can have side effects its ridiculous that acknowledging that immediately labels you as an anti-vaxxer. This narrative is one of pharmas big successes imo.
I think your making your own conclusions in order to create, for yourself, a soapbox to argue.
Nobody is saying vaccines have zero side effects. But everything has side effects, and the side effects for vaccines have been reported just like all other medications. https://www.healthline.com/health/vaccinations/side-effects-of-covid-19-vaccine#age-differences Of the more serious side effects these are mainly reported in 4-5 per one MILLION people.
In comparison, this study https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10123459/ finds that 232,000 deaths could have been prevented AMONG the unvaccinated. This is includes people who could not take the vaccine for specific health reasons who may not have died if people who could took it.
And they were voluntary to take despite it having big consequences for everyone else that some chose not to take them.
Maybe you should mention where you are from. Because they definitely did not release an untested vaccine into western countries, it was tested and the bugs were worked out, somewhere.
Double edged sword.
If we don’t act fast enough, many will die. If we acted too fast with untested vaccine, people may die. I guess will and may are very important here. Would be much preferable if we didn’t suddenly discover and spread the deadly virus.
Yeah, I can definitely see the benefits. But completely dismissing the concerns of those who think differently doesn’t feel very constructive. The pharma companies basically made billions on this with zero liability, its ridiculous.
This comment is probably satire, but anybody reading this should really check out this debate https://youtube.com/watch?v=30W2w02n360.
Never took it, never needed it, I never will, so for the uneducated who are ready to polarize and divide people on a matter that is strictly personal, I remind you to read history and learn what is a pandemic because if you have to do a test to see if you got it, then it’s definitely not one, it was just a common flu and the experiment was you, so good luck you re gonna need it!
strictly personal
Oh, so I assume you’ve self isolated yourself entirely and aren’t going within 15 feet of anyone else or letting anyone else come within 15 feet of you?
Something tells me that no one would be within 15 feet of that person anyway.
Wow man coming on the net saying stupid things like that to strangers makes you feel manly? Poor lad, good luck to you too!
I didn’t say anything to you. I was conversing with Quill7513@slrpnk.net. Be excellent.
What this has to do with someone taking the vaccine? Please use your brains before replying if able to
Vaccination is a major component of community health measures. If someone doesn’t want to participate in community health measures, they are a risk to communities. Without vaccination, the only way an unvaccinated person can keep from putting the community at risk is to increase social distancing to a degree that would disallow them to spread diseases to immunocompromised people within the community. During an epidemic or pandemic, with no vaccine, and with other measures in place like masking, testing, and contact tracing, a social distancing policy of 6 ft can keep a disease from spreading rampantly. However, we are not currently mass masking, testing, or contact tracing mostly trusting people to be and act safe.
But you’ve decided to opt out of community health measures. You’ve decided to lone wolf it because it’s, as you put it, a strictly personal choice. This means that you don’t have to participate in community health measures, but it also means that if you come closer than 15 feet to people who are engaged in community health measures, you are raising their risk of unknowingly spreading something to someone immunocompromised. If we were to not engage in community health measures, we would need to increase the spacing from 6 ft to 15 ft to prevent devestating health risks.
So since you’ve chosen this for yourself, I assume you’re taking these measures? Or are you being a typical selfish antivaxxer who wants to receive the benefits of community health measures without doing anything to participate in making them work?
Massive vaccination at once across all groups no matter the age, gender etc never happened before, and shouldnt happen ever, so what exactly are you trying to prove or disprove?
Here’s to you being removed from the gene pool. Hope you haven’t reproduced. If you do have kids, you shouldn’t be allowed to have custody.
Calm down my dude, so much hate in you, I hope you are ok
No hate, just wishful thinking.
You can call it whatever you like it, it’s still hate and is eating you alive, so sad, good luck to you too!
You rarely, if ever, find yourself in need of correction or acknowledging you might be incorrect about anything, is this a correct assumption? How often, if ever, do you find yourself doing a self inventory and audit on your personal views and beliefs?
If you are not a troll and you seriously asking me this, then you have some serious thinking to do about your life, I m sry, cy
So, never. You’re never wrong and your views never require questioning. How long did it take you to learn to suck your own dick?
I don’t need luck if I have vaccines.
def rage bait farming, opinion disregarded
If that helps you disregard what really happened then it’s ok my dude, no I don’t seek attention by fools on the net, so no rage bait here
Take your toxic ass back to Reddit.
I dont remember flaming under your comments dude, so you are the one who has to go back to reddit, stop mirroring yourself to everyone around you.
This comment was written by a virus.
2/5 - Decent troll effort, but I’ve seen much better around here. Get gud.
If that helps you sleep at night, then it’s ok my dude, believe whatever you want to believe, not my problem
the uneducated
LOL…in your underwear on Grok?
