I hope everyone who wants to be on permanent DST experiences an eternity of the first day of spring forward, never rested again
Who makes money off of Daylight Savings Time?
I don’t know, but I know someone is making a fortune off of it somehow and I want to know who. It’s the only explanation
leaving work at dark is the real thing negatively effecting my health.
So go in earlier
i don’t know if i would take the option to sleep less even if i had all that freedom
Daylight Saving Time just needs to be completely eradicated, it makes no sense in the modern day. The problem is that you have this disagreement over “which” time should be the default, either standard time or daylight time (which Canada/the US spend more of the year in than not).
IMO it should just be standard time, emphasis on the word “standard”. If you want more daylight hours in the evening for events and such, just start things an hour earlier.
It’s also dependent on where you live. Someone living on the easternmost part of a time zone is going to tend to want DST over standard as compared to someone living on the westernmost part. I live in the easternmost part of the Eastern US time zone and I’d pick DST if I had the choice.
I’m sure everyone’s bosses will be accommodating
Fun fact: in the mid '70s the US attempted to go to full year daylight savings time. It was so hated by everyone that we switched back to switching our clocks after very few years
Because a single news story about a single child being hit by a car on the walk to school was blown out of proportion and played on everyone’s fears. Kids don’t walk to school anymore.
Permanent DST would be so stupid.
What is “noon” or “solar noon” under DST? Solar noon is supposed to be the time when the sun is at its peak. AM and PM come from ante meridiem and post meridiem, which are basically “before the sun’s peak” and “after the sun’s peak”. But, under DST the peak is at approx 1pm. So, will saying “I’ll meet you at noon” still mean 12pm? Probably, but then “solar noon” will be 1pm but “noon” will be 12am?
If the whole reason behind considering permanent DST that they think the 9-5 schedule of office life is impossible to change? This just reminds me of bad software projects where office politics and middle manager interference meant that rather than fixing the root cause, it was easier just to add tech debt.
This just reminds me of bad software projects where office politics and middle manager interference meant that rather than fixing the root cause, it was easier just to add tech debt.
That’s why we have been continuing to change clocks twice a year, because apparently that’s easier than changing the time children go to school.
If you’re only argument is “the sun should be directly up at noon” then we are going to need a lot more time zones.
Let’s have a lot more time zones then.
No, let’s do away with all time zones, everyone’s on GMT. Noon stops meaning 12:00 and just means when the sun is directly up in your time zone.
If that means for you noon is 2AM, you start work at 11PM and are off at 7AM, usually going to bed at 1PM when it’s well and dark out so be it. You don’t have to change your clock when you travel, places just say “Local noon is 8PM”.
No, let’s do away with all currency, everyone’s on gold. $1 stops meaning 100 cents and just means whatever the hell it does in the area you’re in.
Ask the railroads how not having time zones turned out.
Yeah, arguing definitions vs what’s actually practical is a new one for me in the DST discussion. Just goes to show you that people would rather appear right than do what’s useful.
I’m not only argument.
Non-starter, according to DST sickos they need that extra hour of daylight to be at a higher number on the clock because of all the stuff they do. As if they weren’t sitting on their asses on the couch 99% of the time either way.
I don’t need the sun to come up at 4:30 in the morning during the summer, and I am a pretty skilled runner. I’m just not a morning person.
Then don’t be. It doesn’t change the fact that it’s completely arbitrary when you get up.
I wish I got to set the schedule to everything in my life
You could just make the numbers be whatever you want if that’s what you need to feel good about the time.
Again, I don’t get to set my own schedule, they’re determined by these numbers that while arbitrary, are rigid. Drop a kid off an hour late to school every day and have fun explaining that to a truancy officer, or tell your boss you’re leaving work an hour early to catch some sunlight and see how that goes.
So drop them off at the same time, but just call it 8 instead of 7. Or is it more important to force everyone else to be on the same arbitrary number as you?
I don’t know, last time I had a barbecue at 5am no one showed up.
Some traditions are simply stupid and should be discarded.
This is one example.
We should just turn our clocks back to 2019.
It’s pretty obvious the American government doesn’t care about its citizens health. Sick citizens = more shareholder profits for their scam corporations
It screws corporations as well, anyone that has a database or deals with time in any way. I’d call it a huge hazard technilogically to willy nilly change the time for no reason.
We have been changing the time for 70+ years. Nothing about it is Willy nilly. There is a reason. The reason may invalid at this point.
This same bullshit could be said about jetlag simply moving to a different time zone has worse effects than a single hour shift, yet many people do it 10s if not hundreds of times a year.
It’s so stupid to argue about this whole thing from a health perspective and using that as if its some kind of disease.
So stupid
If there were two days a year that 300 million people took a flight that gave them all jetlag simultaneously, you’d probably tell them to stop though, right?
I have no idea what you mean.
Who is telling who to stop what?
I’m trying to relate the daylight savings time change back to your example of jetlag.
I’m suggesting that, in a scenario where everyone in the US is compelled to take a plane ride that gives them all one hour’s worth of jetlag (instead of changing the clocks by one hour), you’d probably take issue with that. It’s an attempt to add some extra perspective and get you to think about your claim that it’s stupid to argue from a health perspective, and how shallow that line is thinking is.
It doesn’t matter if it’s stupid or not, it’s reasonable to want the practice to stop.
My friends dad died of a heart attack like 2 days we sprang forward for daylight savings time. Apparently there is a statistical correlation with increased heart attacks during this time likely due to the lost hour of sleep. I’m sure he would have eventually died of a heart attack because of his lifestyle, but I’m quite convinced it was a part of what caused it to happen on that day.
Today has been the absolute worst. Daylight savings shift coinciding with my job becoming absolute trash and my idiotic self doing a Sunday funday yesterday.
Great, with scientific evidence backing this we are fucked for ever getting this changed. What we really need is a rising passively racist influencer to get behind the idea to get any support in 2026.
Yep, we’ll probably increase it to 6x a year in retaliation for those eggheads trying to tell us what to do. That’ll show’em.
“The Hyperborean Medical Association recommends an end to DST as Vril and testosterone are both depressed if noon isn’t at 12:00 on the equinox”
I’ve also heard from a very reliable source that when children have their sleep disrupted by an hour they are more likely to turn gay.
Better yet hopefully we can get a child rapist or two to support ending dst then Trump will mandate it via executive order
Daylight Saving Time (not Savings). Most people get this wrong and I’m not sure why.
Who give a shits?
Intentionally, to bother people who are persnicks about it
I do that alot.
OK hear me out.
Pedants, not persnicks.
No, persnicks. You know how you’re behaving.
Just changing it to noun form, you have a savings account not saving account. Coupons bring you savings on purchases.
We pretty much just use the word saving for computer files, healthcare when saving a life, and fictional heroes. I guess most people don’t think of it as an action to save daylight.
I want us to go in the direction Canada is going with that. It should be the same time in Washington and Oregon that it is in BC
Canada uses metric time though, I think. So, that wouldn’t work.
Nah they’re only half metricated. They use metric kilometers, but imperial hours, this creates the uniquely Canadian variant of kph
There’s a lot of things that I don’t like about Arizona but the abolishment of moving to and from DST has been such a great thing to have.
don’t let trump see this. he will add two extra DST switches per year and rename it
Well they don’t call it Donald Savings Trump for nothing. What better way to honor the god emperor than sacrificing time itself in his name?
(I gagged a bit just typing this, I’m sorry)
Make daylight great again
I honestly don’t care if we choose permanent standard time or DST. Either one would be better than having to switch twice a year. I’ll even propose a compromise: we can try one for a year, try the other for the next year, and see which one works better.
Not doing either because we can’t agree on which one should be permanent seems like the worst option.
I say we just split the middle. Change the clock by 30 minutes instead of an hour and then just keep it there.
I live so far up north that in the winter the sun rises around noon and sets two hours later.
I literally could not care less which time zone I’m in, the position of the sun has zero effect on my life.
We really should just move to permanent standard time, and judging by some of the opinions to the contrary that I’m seeing in this thread, everyone who hates that should either be given a dispensation to move their work shift and bed time back an hour or be placed on a psychiatric hold.
everyone who hates that should either be given a dispensation to move their work shift and bed time back an hour or be placed on a psychiatric hold.
Isn’t the reverse just as true for people who hate being on DST permanently?
No, because their opinion, in differing from mine, is objectively incorrect.
Fuck that. Keep daylight savings time and end standard time. I like my daylight when I can actually use it; after work.
“I know better than the AMA because I want to spend an hour of sunlight driving home with this sun in my eyes and then sitting on my couch getting left on read”
The AMA is concerned with disruptions to circadian rhythms due to time changes. If we stick to daylight savings time there won’t be any more time changes.
Making everyone wake up an hour earlier is abusive
We’re in daylight savings time now, let’s just stay there. That way no one’s schedule has to change again.
