“Can’t compete with the global super rich? Lower your standards and be happy!”
This is how existence works, yes. Being happy means adjusting your wants to what you have.
Being happy means adjusting your wants to what you have.
Oh I guess I should be happy that ICE only raided my neighbors and not me. Amirite?
No, numbnuts. It means you shouldn’t be happy.
but you can’t compete with them. you should really be adjusting your wants! be happy you are alive
Well…yes? Are you not happy you did not get raided? Would you rather have had that you also got raided?
My point is: Just because someone isn’t “suffering as much as others” doesn’t mean the stuff they go through (like the fears of ICE for example) aren’t valid.
Both points are true:
- You can recognize that, yes you have it better than others.
BUT ALSO:
- It doesn’t mean you should accept status quo forever.
Because accepting status quo is like saying, “why are you complaining about trump? at least you aren’t in taliban afghanistan or north korea”
Yes we all know…and clearly you’re the only.one who didn’t get it
💩 take
Fuck Buddhism, amirite?
If you’re upset with my feedback, adjust your expectations.
That’s exactly the point. I’m not upset because I don’t expect people online to have any sort of sense. I adjusted that expectation long ago and I’m much happier for it.
But you seem to be assuming that I’m saying everyone should just drop their expectations and be happy. That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that suffering is caused by desire. So if you can reduce your desire, you can reduce your suffering.
But many times you can’t, or shouldn’t, reduce your desire. I won’t ever desire to be okay with what’s happening in my country, for example. I choose to be unhappy with it.
So choose to be fucking unhappy. It’s okay to be unhappy. I’m not going to judge you for it.
What’s the difference between that and suppressing your true feelings? From my perspective, it just seems like a strategy for bottling up what you actually feel rather than letting your true feelings out. On the surface at least, it sounds like that’s a recipe for it blowing up at some point in a much worse way?
The difference is changing your mind.
Isn’t this a tenet of Buddhism?
Yep, that’s all it is. Desire is the cause of suffering.
Which isn’t to say you should never desire anything. Just know the price and choose.
yeah, people who live in the US of A should be just happy they are still alive!
Ddr3 was kind of the point where the technology stopped incrementing with large jumps.
Not saying ddr3 is as good as ddr4 or 5 but I used ddr3 until 2021 with no issue.
Same but 2024. I missed all of DDR4. Jumped straight from 3 to 5.
I went 2 to 4, and honestly my 5800x w 32GB DDR4 @3800 from 2020 is still just fine, hopefully till this shitshow shakes out.
I’m still using DDR3 as I haven’t upgraded my computer in like 6years. It’s fine. I can play most games at 4k and I’m rocking an Nvidia 4070. I don’t really see any compelling reason to upgrade until GTA6 comes out. (I can play gta5 just fine)
The biggest problem with DDR3 is that the last (consumer) boards/CPUs that could use it are really, REALLY old. 5th-gen Intel or AM3 AMD. Which means you’re looking at a full decade old, at the newest. These boards also probably can’t do more than 32GB.
Now, I suppose if you only need 32GB RAM and a CPU that’s pathetic by modern standards, then this is a viable path. But that’s going to be a very small group of people.
My daily driver is a PowerEdge T620 with 48 Ivy Bridge cores (2x E5-2969 v2) and 384 GiB of DDR3-1333. It’s a bit of a power hog yes, but it’s still cheaper than upgrading to a more modern system with at least that much DDR4/5, and the only things where performance has been an obstacle has been a few more recent games (most recently Clair Obscur, which was bottlenecked by my GPU with the CPUs at pretty low utilization).
You have a small sever as a daily driver
Small?
This is basically the exact scenario that led me to detail that I was only talking about consumer gear. Server gear is a very different beast, with a variety of tradeoffs that I didn’t want to get into. For instance, I’m assuming you can only use Registered RAM.
Fair enough, it seems I overlooked the parenthesis in your original comment.
For a general use or gaming PC, 32GB is more than enough for the majority of users. It might show its limits with use as a server or dedicated database using complex queries.
Heck, even as servers go, I’ve got an AMD mini-PC running a Ryzen 5700u with 32 GB RAM. It’s running Plex, Jellyfin, AudioBookShelf, Home Assistant, Asset UPnP, and a few other apps, plus has some small extra VMs occasionally for testing stuff and I’m hardly utilizing it, nowhere near capacity. I’m never using more than 8 out of 16 threads, and about half the RAM is still available even under full load scenarios when I’m running updates and using Plex heavily (such as scanning intros, or doing acoustic analysis for Plexamp use).
Most of the time under normal use, it’s practically idle, and RAM use is low (Proxmox with memory minimums and ballooning).
The list of vulnerability mitigations for those old CPUs is going to be a mile long. They will probably have their performance cut in half or worse. Even a much newer CPU like Zen 1 takes a big performance hit.
You can disable mitigations, but then a malicious website could potentially steal sensitive information on that computer.
lol my main pc runs on a Xeon from 2011 and 16 GB of DDR3. Now it doesn’t play games newer than 2016 but that’s besides the point as I rarely play anything made past 2011
Oh so you like good games too?
Haha
I’ve been doing active development for high processing stuff (computer vision and AI) on a Xeon 1230v5 (Skylake), 32GB of RAM, and a 1080ti up until a few months ago (before RAM prices skyrocketed). It was perfectly usable.
The only place where it didn’t do well was in compile times and newer AAA games that were CPU bound. But for 99% of games it was fine.
The only time I ran into RAM issues was when I had a lot of browser tabs open and multiple IDEs running. For gaming and any other non-dev task, 32GB is more than plenty.
Its been good for my homelab
There are server chips like the E7-8891 v3 which lived in a weird middle ground of supporting both ddr3 and ddr4. On paper, it’s about on par with a ryzen 5 5500 and they’re about $20 on US eBay. I’ve been toying with the idea of buying an aftermarket/used server board to see if it holds up the way it appears to on paper. $20 for a CPU (could even slot 2), $80 for a board, $40 for 32gb of ddr3 in quad chanel. ~$160 for a set of core components doesn’t seem that bad in modern times, especially if you can use quad/oct channel to offset the bandwidth difference between ddr3 and ddr4.
I think finding a cooler and a case would be the hardest part
Now, I suppose if you only need 32GB RAM and a CPU that’s pathetic by modern standards, then this is a viable path. But that’s going to be a very small group of people.
It’s not that bad. For the most part, it would still be a viable machine these days, though weaker than it used to be. Computers haven’t changed quite as much as they used to, compared to the period leading into the 2010s.
My desktop is still a 4th gen intel. You’re not going to get bleeding-edge performance or efficiency out of it, but it’s hardly a slug. If anything, I’d argue it to more likely be the majority of computers. People don’t upgrade that often, especially if the computer works fine and doesn’t lag horribly.
deleted by creator
Im still on ddr3 and an amd fx. I can play every game except Alan wake 2.
I dont play most aaa slop though.
There’s a lot of AAA that isn’t slop. That sounds like coping.
Would you be able to run something like Horizon Forbidden West at moderate settings and 60 fps?
There’s a lot of AAA that isn’t slop. That sounds like coping.
Honestly this. I really need people to start defining what they think a AAA game is, because I feel like my definition is different. In my mind, a AAA game is any game made by a large well-known company that either has a series/brandname for itself (i.e. Mario, Resident Evil, CoD) or one that has poured a shit ton of money into it (usually due to employee count). Usually a mainline game, not side or spin-off.
And so going off of that, I truly struggle to think of a AAA game I have played in the last 3 years that could truly be called slop. The only game in that timeline that makes me go “eh”, was FFXV, but I don’t think the game is pure slop, it’s just obviously incomplete without the DLC story. There are people still crying about this game and saying they miss the characters, and it’s more than a decade old now, so I feel it’s hard to call it slop.
Maybe it’s because I mostly enjoy single player games over multi and I play more Japanese than western games, but I don’t know why people buy the latest CoD or Madden and expect it to be significantly different from the last game. Like we know EA does microtransactions, stop buying their fucking games! Why do we expect 95% of SaaS games to be remotely good?
And not that I think indies suck, because I think they’re great too! But people make it sound like every indie game is going to change your life, when there are thousands of indies out there that are just okay. Hell, some big name “indies” aren’t even indies, they’re AA games like CO:E33. And some indies have unfortunately felt lackluster for me, like Cassette Beasts.
Gamers don’t do nuance. It’s either the greatest thing ever or it’s slop. Nothing in between. I hate this mentality.
Agreed, although I have almost no experience with Japanese games like FF as I don’t vibe with those for some reason (but I love Japanese cinema). But other than that, I hear you. 👍
Don’t even know of that game.
I dont really stay up to date on super new games either tbh. I have a huge console collection so a lot of my gaming is spent there as well. Besides, I dont pay more than 20 dollars for games, so I dont buy new ones.
Also, since I refuse to run windows, quite a few scummy game companies are purposely locking out linux users with their trash anti cheat. So I wont play those games and have no want to.
Oh also I just looked up that game. I cant stand that kind of game so I would never feel the need to play it. Too much fantasy and flashiness for me. Wayy too complex to be fun for people who dont game 12 hours a day.
super new games
I dont pay more than 20 dollars
I paid €16 for Horizon Zero Dawn, it came out in 2017… 🤷♂️ One of the best single player games I’ve ever played. Runs on Linux. Played the whole game on Linux. Played in sessions of a few hours a time. I have 2 kids and played this game.
I think you are using a lot of assumptions here. But if you really don’t like that kind of game, fair enough.
I’m just saying, there are a lot of high value games which are not slop. All I’m saying.
Thats a good deal! It looked like it was $60 now…
Yeah makes sense. I just get an ick reaction to most of those super fantasy games, like the FF games which I avoided forever but did start playing FFXIV and I do enjoy it most of the time, its just so many names and places and game mechanics to remember. I also play probably 20+ different games a week, very rarely do i ever play 1 game at a time.
Also, to me any game around 2010 era is still brand new lol. 2017 may as well have been just released xD
Yep id agree youre right.
It was a really good deal! I bought it for €19,90 again one time for a friend. I don’t think he played through it all. 😆 He plays a game for like 6 months then drops it…
I 100%'d Horizon Zero Dawn. Sooo good. The story was amazing, the pacing, how they slowly introduce mechanics to you to ease you into advanced combat mechanics, how you slowly gain access to armour, weapons, etc. Just masterful. And the story, super engaging. It’s very well received. 🥰
I think it’s probably a little bit different from the FF games, but I can’t say for sure as I never played those.
But yeah, anyway, I’m glad you’re able to play all you want and need to play without upgrading. It’s very nice to be able to save money for a rainy day. 😁
Thinking the avg lemmy user plays games that are newer then 2008 is were you fucked up.
People that use this platform basically are glorified luddites when it comes to gaming unless you go to extremely specific gaming areas. Then it’s like 2018 instead of 2008.
Thinking the avg lemmy user plays games that are newer th[a]n 2008 is were you fucked up.
I didn’t think that. I asked if they’d be able to play it. It’s an inquiry about their system more than what they like to play.
They did say they can play “every game” except one.
I was going to say I play Factorio which is fairly new until I looked up when it entered early access… :/
I play too much path of exile for that to be acceptable sadly
The sheer glut of load zones means even a spinning disk is unacceptable. I literally saved over an hour in time over a weekend back in the day going from ddr3 to 4, and three hours over a weekend going from a spinning disk to a solid state.
And the games only gotten larger in the last few years…
Ddr3 is great! Till you have to deal with a lot of load zones. ):
You gotta get on Alan Wake 2. I’ve been having a great time playing it. Play the first and Control before you do and you’ll see a lot of tie-ins which is pretty fun. One of the characters looks a lot like Max Payne too.
You gotta get on Alan Wake 2.
Bit cruel after they just said they can’t run it 😄
I have played both previous alan wakes and control! Great games. I need to play quantum break next.
Okay good! I played Control years ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. I picked it back up from the beginning a number of months back and got hooked. I had a price watch on Alan Wake 2 from a couple years ago and it finally hit my target so I got it. I figured I should play through the first Alan Wake so I played it and enjoyed it significantly more than I thought I would. Now I’m probably a quarter of the way through 2 and I’m really liking it a lot. I definitely want to check out Quantum Break also.
Don’t forget american nightmare. Really good!
I actually picked that one up on the Steam winter sale and plan on playing it soon!
I thought Control was excellent, but the original Alan Wake was a bad joke.
My take : Prices got you down ? Keep the hardware you already have ! No one else can upgrade anyway, games requirements aren’t going up anytime soon.
Obviously that doesn’t cover you if you don’t already have a machine, in which case I would go DDR3.
But for those who do, does anyone upgrade anymore ? I’m on 2019 hardware and everything runs perfectly good. Oftentimes great !
Also using 2019 hardware! I dread the day something dies, though. Luckily I upgraded to 32gb of RAM the last time it was super cheap. I’m hoping this machine has another ten years in it.
It probably depends on what you do, but 16GB is still able to do everything I personally need from my computer. I wish I had more VRAM though, 12GB is getting a little short for some AAA releases (fortunately I rarely play AAA games)
Yeah, I probably don’t need 32gb either, but RAM was so cheap at the time, and it gave me the chance to put my old 16gb into my work PC which was down to 8 since a stick died on me.
100%. I did get a 32gb mini pc this summer. win 11 is not as stable as win 10 on ddr3, mostly sleep/monitor issues. and 780m on ddr5 is about the same for gaming as 1660s on ddr3. Don’t chase gaming frame rates until prices get more reasonable. If you somehow don’t have a PC more recent than ddr3, then it’s not time to get into gaming, but upgrading cpu/gpu and an extra 16gb ram is likely the better value compared to new system.
I’m already considering building a maxed out AMD based machine, with DDR3.
The last machine I had with that technology lasted me 12 years. I can vouch for it.
I had an 8350 machine with 32gb of ram when if was in season and while it never really left me short of power, the intel 4770k and 4790k were better performers. That may not be the case anymore with stuff being more multi-core optimized but at the time, the intel single core performance was so much better than the 8350s which made a bid difference in gaming.
My old rig was an 8350 overclocked to 4.5 on liquid, crossfired 3gb 7950hd’s, and 32gb of matched corsair dominator ddr3 all in a corsair 230t chassis with the bright orange paint and led fans.
I hadn’t actually looked up any numbers on the RAM shortage. Less than a year ago I got 2 8GB sticks of no-name PC3200 DDR4 for less than $25. I didn’t even really need it for my use-case, but it was so cheap that “why not” felt like a perfectly viable reason to upgrade to 32GB total. Six years ago I got the original two-pack of 8GB sticks for $75. Now that same amount of old-ass DDR4 would be $90-$100. Jeezus. No upgrades for me for a while.
I bought an 8G ECC RDIMM DDR4 the other day for 15 bucks cash.
Guy around my age who “bought the wrong kind” for his laptop, and forgot about it until it was too late to return it.
I’m gonna hold onto it a little longer, then see if I can’t make 30 or 40 bucks off it. 🤣
I think passing it along for the price you got it at to someone who will be stoked to use it will be more rewarding than making such a small profit
I retire PCs at the college I work at. They get stacked in the basement waiting on an inventory/recycling procedure that will never happen because we’re a satellite campus and the basement is the tomb of technology. Went down there the other day to bring a retired PC up to replace a very old lab PC that died. The HD had been removed by a colleague - fine, that’s procedure - and then I realized all the RAM had been stripped out. Dozens and dozens of PCs with nary a stick. “If you’re selling that RAM, I want in on it” I told him. He laughed nervously and said no, but wouldn’t say where it all was.
I am not kidding, I want halfsies…
But why did my millenial heart immediately think of Dance Dance Revolution???
I’m about to go dumpster diving for ram or some shit, holy fuck the prices are fucked
I bought one of these 64GB packs for less than $50 not even a year ago
TIL I have about $8000 in ram sitting in a drawer.
I don’t know how to feel about this…
There’s so many good games made per year now it’s impossible to play them all so buckle up and start playing some older titles. I got into the Witcher 3 6 or 7 years after release and was blown away how I slept on that.
Here I was thinking they were recommending a game that ran well with low RAM or something. Like WTF is Dead Dead Redemption 3?
Nooooooo nonononoooooo…Dance Dance Revolution 3 👍
Found 16GB DDR4 from and old swap the other day. I’m protecting that stuff like it’s an investment now. But seriously, def hanging on to it just in case anything dies.
On the look out for storage deals now. But I’m not hopeful.
I jumped on some large external HDD deals before storage took a jump. I don’t want to move to subscription cloud services like the billionaires want to happen.
Wish I had gotten a m.2 2230 drive too for my Deck so I missed out on that.
