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Change my mind: Literally zero people want Greenland to be part of the US except Donald Trump and the people who have trained themselves to always agree with Donald Trump.
They don’t even have a fucking reason. Oh, it is an important strategic location? Good thing we already have a base there!
- Venezuela: oil, because renewables are becoming more expensive due to all of the raw materials going into AI-related tech and the US needs a backup plan if shit hits the fan and their bets don’t pan out
- Greenland: rare Earth metals, because they are the strategic bottleneck amongst said materials, and China stopped exploring them recently and I guess Australia and Canada are harder targets?
- Can you guess why China is circling Taiwan so hard nowadays? Because they want TMSC in order to overcome their current chip production limits (nm/transistor count)
- But why is that important? Because of Moore’s Law. We’ve hit the practical physical limits of transistor size vs molecular complexity with current manufacturing methods. We (humanity) are stagnating now, and can’t climb up The Kardashev scale no more.
- But we can’t stop because our resources and time are limited. Our planet is on a clock right now. So their apparent solution is: secure/stockpile rare Earth metals, sufficient energy reserves, and production means to train AGI, because apparently someone at some point put the idea that AGI would be the solution to the manufacturing problem.
- But this is all being exasperated by AI training since the start: resources invested, materials wasted, energy spent, planet heated/polluted. Now it’s a recursive problem and a self-fulfilling prophecy
- And everyone is betting they can solve it first, the will be the ones that’ll win the AGI race, and save us because they’re the good guys and know what they’re doing. Our wise leaders will sacrifice anything to save their citizens, even their own public image (see how noble Trump/Putin/whatever are being?) to save the planet. The end will justify the means surely, and people will forgive them once they realise what was going on all this time. Poor them.
- Nobody is even stopping to ask: “but what if we (countries) worked together instead of against each other?” because of people like Trump being in power.
There you go. My current working theory.
P.S: wonder where the existing rare Earth metals went? Ask the planned obsolescence/anti-repair people and the Phoebus Cartel.
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This is a great list. You have to accept the premise that White House’s agenda is literally techno feudalism though. As crazy as it sounds, I think it may be.
literally zero? like literally? exactly zero Americans
what planet are you from
Reddit-world
snoo the alien
Literally one: Putin.
Greenland is the suicide capital of the world.
I’m pretty sure a lot of people are instinctively against US acquisition because they’ve been trained to think colonialism is always bad and what Trump does is always wrong.
Looking at history, colonialism has always been bad for the indigenous people.
Similary looking at history, what Trump does has always been wrong.
Also fuck you, if you think you know better whats good for Greenland than people who live in there.
they’ve been trained to think colonialism is always bad
There isn’t a single colonial project that was/is benevolent. So yes, colonialism is always bad. Also fuck off with the “acquisition” euphemism. What the USA is proposing is simply stealing somebody else’s land.
What they’re really saying is that colonialism is good for colonizers.
Greenland is the suicide capital of the world
You wanna pump those numbers up by subjecting them to US health care?
Trump may not always be wrong but it’s certainly in the high majority of things he does. Currently I can’t think of anything he has done that is actually positive.
List some instances where colonialism was good
Or trump did something that was good
Wonder if conservatives knew they were voting to destroy all America’s allegiances. Or if their brains were incapable of thinking that far ahead.
I’m gonna go with option 2.
- they don’t know what that word means
- they don’t care what that word means
- they think america doesn’t need anybody but america
- fuck anybody that is not america
They also seem to think “fuck at least 2/3 of America”.
They don’t consider those people “America”.
Have you talked to a Republican or MAGA?
They cheer on destroying relations with Europe.
Have you talked to a Republican or MAGA?
They cheer on destroying relations with Europe.
They have been convinced that the entire world is somehow abusing the poor widdle usa.
Unfortunately it’s not a position only MAGA takes. Horse shoe theory is real. There are extreme lefties who hate NATO and EU so much that they rather see the west fall completely apart and fall into chaos, since they think they will come on top when we crawl from underneath the rubble.
Most stopped processing after “make America great again”. They really were thinking shit would just magically get great without any care as to the how and for who
I mean, they still cant grasp that or what it means.
Most Trump supporters probably can’t even name more than 10 non-english speaking countries that aren’t Mexico, Russia or China, and one their answers would probably be “Africa”.
International politics doesn’t even come close to their thought processes during election time.
I honestly believe they didn’t think that trump was actually going to go through with a lot of it, and that ‘he talks a lot of shit, and triggers the libs’ and that’s it.
I think they just wanted four more years of Trump term 1 which was retarded but certainly not this horiffic.
There is still a wildly vocal support base online so it’s hard to hear the voters who have silently realised their mistake.
And yes it has cost allegiance, that won’t come back as easily this time.
Things I’m seeing online are like … “he does what he says/he keeps his promises” “better for the economy” … fucked that none of those make sense and you’d have to be an idiot to believe
So many believe in the whole American exceptionalism shit so I think they believe some of their shit is their birthright or something.
I really want to stress how deeply unpopular this is in the U.S. The MAGA movement is about 30% of the electorate, so you can generally expect that even the dumbest, most insane Trump decisions have a floor of 30% approval. 9% of Americans support this, 86% oppose it. At minimum, two-thirds of Trump’s most rabid, loyal followers are against this.
Something I’ve learned in the last decade, no matter how unpopular a position, MAGA supporters will fall in line with the party rather than risk threatening the parties authority.
Maybe. MAGA is fracturing right now. Withholding the Epstien files really was too much for some of them, and Marjorie Taylor Greene’s defection gave a lot of them permission to question and criticize him. Invading an ally for no reason might actually break through to good chunk of the average red hats.
Thanks. They’re comforting numbers.
Well, I hate to throw cold water on that comfort, but I’m not sure the numbers matter. Trump is increasingly unresponsive to polling, even within his base, and it seems like the Pentagon really is planning an invasion. It would fracture his own MAGA movement, completely destroy NATO, make America a global pariah, and potentially start WWIII, but it seems he is seriously considering it.
Ah I’m sure he’s considering it and the planning is a given. I’m glad the bulk of Americans have some sense in this matter at least.
Probably as retribution to the American people for not voting for him in 2021. Such a lust for revenge
I have nothing to base this on but some guy on the internet said that he is demanding invasion & the top brass keeps trying to talk him out of it.
I read an article that claimed some top Generals are trying to distract him with an invasion of Iran (which is also really, really bad). Traditional neocons certainly don’t want this, though; they don’t want to throw away 80 years of military alliances. Still, if the president tells the Pentagon, “make me a Greenland invasion plan,” they’re gonna do it.
I hope those numbers can be turned into actions to stop Trump.
The elected officials need to be reminded what the vast majority of their voters want them to do.
As long as that idiot is in power those numbers mean nothing. Impeach him, vote in a new guy and then we’ll talk.
So what? He will invade Greenland, get voted out and everything will turn back to normal? Because you disapproved of said actions?
LOL, no. As I already said in this thread:
Trump is increasingly unresponsive to polling, even within his base, and it seems like the Pentagon really is planning an invasion. It would fracture his own MAGA movement, completely destroy NATO, make America a global pariah, and potentially start WWIII, but it seems he is seriously considering it.
Approval isn’t changing Trump’s actions, and he’s actively talking about canceling the midterms (though using his ICE for voter suppression is more likely). The only hope is that enough neocons tell him that they’ll support impeachment if he fucks up NATO.
how deeply unpopular
He was elected twice. On both occasions those that didn’t care won.
30% isn’t deeply unpopular btw. That’s about 5-10%.It’s bad enough that we’re reminded we have to stop and think about the Americans, let alone having to accept bullshit.
He used the general maga as a baseline and then said the approval for this is under 10%, not even popular among the people who are rude or die with Trump
Yeah you’re right they did.
Anything less than having trump in jail for the rest of his putrid life is unacceptible
There is no God if Trump doesn’t have a debilitatibg stroke. I want him alive, drooling, feeble but just mentality aware that death would be a kinder punishment.
Yep I want him to have the way of pain and great suffering. Not the easy way out.
Something like an ass cancer that makes bones painful…
We’ve come here because we punished people like him only with jail.
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We have an authoritarian dictator in the white house surrounded by constant drip adderall’d sycophants. Most of us are scraping the barrel to get by because we are overworked and paid shit.
This is all by design. We are just expendable peons to them.
Tech bro billionaires getting unlimited investment for AI and other nonsense are working on plans for Greenland.
Wake the fuck up people. We have nothing to lose but our chains.
Wake the fuck up people. We have nothing to lose but our chains.
Nothing meaningful will change until that statement is more true than it is now. The reality is that most of us are still comfortable enough to not want to risk what we’ve got.
The only thing that is unacceptable, and remains so daily, is that tRump hasn’t died from eating all those Big Macs
He’s only still alive cause Satan does not want him.
The ONLY thing unacceptable? Seriously? There’s so much unacceptable shit that saying there’s only one thing is laughable.
About him
I don’t understand why the danish officials they even wasted their time to go to Washington to “talk” about this. There’s nothing to talk about this.
Have they ever tried to reason with a toddler that’s having a tantrum “I want that toy now”? Waste of time.
They have nothing to lose in doing so.
At worst “conversations” delay an American invasion giving more time for Denmark to prepare.
Any half-competent diplomat will ignore “pride” as a consideration for a chance at stopping a war or at least giving their own side’s military more time to prepare, with no actual downside (if that fails they get the exact same outcome as if they didn’t engage in “conversations”).
Also no doubt a lot of “out of the spotlight” work is going into convicing the members of that Administration who are actually intelligent types putting on a “derranged far-right populist” act for Trump and the American Public, that such a move will indirectly be bad for them personally because of the downsides for the people who own them - big American businesses - of turning Europe into an Enemy rather than merely a trade competitor.
Did Poland, Austria and France try to reason with Hitler??
Kurt Schuschnigg, Austrian Chancellor, went to talk with Hitler in 1938, and under his pressure added Austrian Nazis to his government, for example on the Interior Minister post.
France officially complained about the re-militarization of the Rhineland in 1936, and later about the Anschluss of Austria in 1938.
Poland talked to Hitler and rejected their demands to hand over Danzig in 1937.
So I guess yes, on specific points at specific times. But I’m not sure if that’s the kind of thing you meant?
Yes?
And what was the point of trying to reason with a war mongering lunatic? He invaded anyway, France capitulated. Lesson being: you cannot appease dictators and wannabe (for now) invaders. And you should never appease fascists.
Get used to disappointment.
Apart from all the deflection and Putin and Gilded-Age foreign policy policy theories, which may well be right, I think President Dingleberry also found out that Greenland is 1% larger by area than the Louisiana Purchase, which would make him the president that most embiggened America. How can you you deny MAGA if he literally made it greater (in size) than any president prior to him?
It’s also possible he has only ever looked at a Mercator and thinks Greenland is literally the size of Africa or South America.
Ugh mercator getting us all in trouble again
Someone needs to show Trump different maps.
Got any more of them Epstein files…?
I think they must be hidden in Greenland.
Fuck him. I personally will fight for Kalaliit Nunaat’s autonomy (and sovereignty - if they want it.)
Trump has quite literally zero regard for Greenlanders as human beings. He only sees land for him to supposedly own.
Fuck him and enablers with the flame of a thousand suns.
Trump is unacceptable. Someone please put the kibbosh on everything about him.
“Pro-Peace Ticket” BTW.
I don’t know what kind of authority Greenland / Denmark would have to expel all US personnel from Greenland, but given there are US military bases there, I imagine there might be some contractual issues.
As an alternative, at this point, I think they should be blockading those bases, and searching any vehicle going into or out of it for supply reasons. Also institute a no fly zone over their base so they can’t just air drop stuff in.
No net new personnel going into the base (staffing swaps maybe… like 1 in 1 out). No new weapons allowed.
If Trump was going to try something, you don’t want them being able to prep those bases to assist with the assult any more than they already can, and you want them locked down with defences in their pathway before anything starts.
I don’t know what kind of authority Greenland / Denmark would have to expel all US personnel from Greenland, but given there are US military bases there, I imagine there might be some contractual issues.
Ask Cuba how that went.
Cuba was a stones throw away, and didn’t have the military capabilities of Denmark.
I have a feeling trump is willing to call the “Denmark will put boots on the ground to forcibly expel/kill the invaders” (what I unfortunately suspect would be a) bluff.
He knows the Europeans will put up a token, face-saving resistance but have no enthusiasm for a full-on shooting war. Unfortunately this may be a correct assessment. But Europe and its allies still have the power to disrupt the US economy, and should seriously plan to do so if the US doesn’t back off.
Bluff or not, I believe you are correct.
They also agreed to lease it for an absurd length of time.
Denmark has no such obligations.
Anything less than trump, his entire administration, every pedofile on that list, every ice agent, the entire heritage foundation, every dirty oligarch, every politician who takes money from Israel, trumps criminal children and the corrupt Supreme Court being tried for violations against the constitution and international law is unacceptable
