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    God made sure only Charlie Kirk was killed. It’s as if God smote Charlie in the middle of a crowd, in the middle of saying hate, and spared the onlookers.

    Yeah, I don’t think that’s a good thing for fans of Charlie.

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    The doctor added that Kirk’s “bone was so healthy and the density was so so impressive that he’s like the man of steel. It should have just gone through and through. It likely would have killed those standing behind him too.”

    Do people really believe these fairy tales? It’s the same absurd rhetoric they use regarding Trump. Reminds me of the rhetoric North Korea uses about Kim Jong Un

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    Obviously the guy was so full of hardened shit that the bullet just couldn’t find its way out.

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    There was no one behind him and the shooter took one shot, how would someone else have been killed?

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      Charlie Kirk was filled with a huge amount of methane under pressure. You could hear it when he opened his mouth.

      Luckily everyone in the crowd could smell it once he popped a leak and high tailed it out of there.

      The crowd dodged a bullet…

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    Calling a person that literally got a hole shot through them a “man of steel” has to be the most perfect microcosm of Fox’s entire reporting style, lmao.

    “Compelling evidence of XYZ actually PROOF of Not-XYZ upon closer inspection”

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    I bet the bullet hit his spine. Hence the immediately floppy dead. As opposed to being due to the blood loss.

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      Yeah to me it looked like he had a fencing response, which can accompany head/spine injuries. Wouldn’t be surprised if the bullet hit his upper spine or ricocheted into the base of his skull or something.

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        The hydrostatic shock likely would have pulverized his brain stem on a hit like that. It wouldn’t have to direct hit the spine.

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      That would make some sense, but I’m doubtful about the bullet caliber. I’ve seen what 30-06 does to large game, and it very rarely stops even when hitting bone. Especially if he was shot with a hunting round (which are designed to flare out and dump energy) we would have seen a truly massive exit wound.

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      That caliber bullet does not care about his spine. Honestly his head should have exploded.

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      I noticed his head went in the same direction the bullet entered, you would think his head would go away from where the bullet entered so maybe it did hit the spine and cause the head to push forward.

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        This is an extremely famous phenomenon in ballistics, popularized by the JFK assasination. Penn and Teller even did a breakdown of why this happens at one point. It’s pretty interesting to look into!

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    A guy who knows him said a doctor said he had a bulletproof neck? And this is national-level news to publish?

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    uhh…I have the video. That thing absolutely came out the other side…explosively.

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      He was also 1,000% not shot from the front. It’s fucking insane that they’re claiming this in light of so many videos. The exit wound was downward from the left side of his neck, along with all his blood. Did it take a 90+ degree turn? Why didn’t we see it go in from the front? Feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

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        Do you have any relevant experience? Maybe your guesses about how things should work are simply wrong, and that’s causing your problems.

        Watch what happens when a bullet is fired through ballistic gel. It’s not some simple thing where a hard thing goes in one side and stuff comes out the other side.

        Why didn’t we see it go in from the front? A rifle bullet travels at hundreds of metres per second. It’s not easy to see it while it is in motion unless you’re using a slow motion camera.

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        The wound you saw was the entry wound. Blood gushing from the entry wound is very common. According to a relative who is a forensic pathologist.

        There isn’t any forensic doubt on how he was shot. The shooter was in front of him. How we are expecting gun shots and blood splatter patterns to behave is rather misinformed by movies and games.

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          There was immediate blood splatter on the shirt by the wound in his neck when you watch it frame by frame. It does not appear this is an entry wound like you are claiming.

          This was also not the caliber they claimed. He was shot from the right side with a smaller caliber bullet.

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              I watched it from several angles already. You obviously have not so I am not sure why you feel the need to chime in. You are probably just trying to push a narrative (aka propaganda).

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    I think it’s much more likely that the governmnet lied about the caliber of the bullet than this guy’s neck stopped a 30-06.

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      They lied, unless the bullet decided to magically turn left and become a smaller caliber then the official line is bogus.

      It is probably one of those multiple shooters situations with a patsy that may even believe they did it.

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    He’s so brave for checks notes getting shot, and not dodging the bullet, lest someone behind him get hit.

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    of course his neck was super thick, how else could it support that massive dome?

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    It’s like super man because like a comic book, this narrative is likely fiction.

    It’s worth looking into at least at a superficial level what 30.06 cartridge does to humanoid test dummies. It’s practically impossible that Kirk was hit by a 30.06 round without complete painting that entire tent red.

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      .30-06 round weighing 180 grains leaves a 24" barrel at about 2,700 feet per second, which gives it a kinetic energy of around 2,900 ft-lbf. With this much energy, that round, if full metal jacketed, will reliably penatrate 20+ inches of ballistic gelatin, a common substitute for animal muscle tissue, and if that round is a hollow point it will reliably penatrate 16+ inches of ballistic gelatin. My neck is about 7 inches thick as an average size person. Unless a person has a cervical spine made of titanium and Kevlar, and/or are just about 4 times as dense as your average Joe, an impact by a typical hollow point .30-06 round with that speed and energy in the human neck region would most often decapitate, or nearly so, and a full metal jacketed round would easily pass clean through. In contrast, the handguns carried by many police officers, the Glock .40 S&W, firing a 180 grain round out of a 4" barrel scoots along at about 1,000 feet per second, having a muzzle energy of about 400 ft-lbf, this being the defacto gold standard for killing human beings. .30-06 is quite literally a round made for war, and is typically used to hunt large game, as it has a tendency to completely and thoroughly rapidly disassemble smaller game into unusable sized chunks.

      Nothing is impossible, but not all things are likely.

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        a full metal jacketed round would easily pass clean through

        “Clean through” is not as clean as it might sound. It would probably pass through and out the back without leaving a gaping hole, but the damage it would do to tissues as it went through would be devastating. Take a look at a FMJ handgun bullet going through ballistics gel:

        https://www.youtube.com/shorts/hlXg_H5Jr4g

        If that hit someone’s neck, it might do huge amounts of damage to all the tissues there, and even though they’d snap back to roughly the same place, there would be a lot of damage. If that went through some arteries, there would be a lot of new routes for that blood to flow, and the blood is under a lot of pressure so…

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          No doubt about that. A hollow or soft point deposits more energy and creates a much larger temporary cavity, but a FMJ can certainly do plenty of damage. The FMJ would be much more likely to be intact, and not fragment, so “clean” is certainly a relative term in this context. Any gunshot wound is gonna be a mess, regardless of caliber or bullet type, some moreso than others.