Me playing modded Minecraft:
What was the disable jetpack button again?
Keeb goes hard ngl
My copy of Keyboard Maestro sent off fireworks when it saw those macro rows
I spent 30 years thinking someday I’d start using the number pad and then finally gave up. I like having the typing part centered more.
Exactly. For me it’s closer to 40 years and I don’t think I ever used the number pad more than ten times. Tenkeyless is just better, unless you’re an accountant.
The number pad only ever became relevant to me after decades when I began playing video games that have more keybindings than I have brain cells. Caves Of Qud makes use of basically the the whole number pad just to manually move in 8 different directions.
Do you people never do any actual work on your computers?
I have body parts that are less important to me than my numpad.
We just don’t work as accountants ;-).
Or programming. Or sysadmins. Or sales orders. Or order picking. Or…
You need to type a number quickly?
You need a keypad.
The end.
I was a Unix sysadmin for years and never once used the num pad. I’m in sales now for 25 years and still don’t use it. I mean, it’s always been a goal of mine but I just never think of it when it’s time to use it, and it’s slower for me to use it than not use it. And I don’t enter enough numbers to get enough practice to be good at it.
Tkl/80 is my preferred size
I’m a full TKL man myself. I don’t mind the space, just don’t like using space for stuff I never use.
I’m a fan of TKL as well, but one annoying place where the numpad is missed is games and software that hardcode numpad keys
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You have left out galaxy brain giant IBM model M. (Not more keys, but thicc keys.)
It’s not just the size. It’s also the way the sound of typing will bother everyone else in the room.
How about the superior 122 key Model F“To use this feature, simply press the F213 key.”
(unfolds paper keyboard map)
(moves finger around for five minutes searching)
Ah, okay. There it is. (tap)
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When Neil Pert needs an office day.
That setup uses pedals ffs. no thoughts empty head
Wow what did they say about that?
Oh my God.
That’s a surfboard.
Ahhhhh - that IBM Model 50 keyboard. Loud AF, and could drive a truck over it. Was my first and the feel of it was great.
It’s not just the size, or the sound, but the fact you could comfortably concuss an elephant with it, or stop a bullet and go right back to typing. Those things were built like tanks.
When my grampy died, my parents threw out about four Model Ms from his house. They didn’t know they’re not just old keyboards D:
I need to get mine fixed. I sometimes tire of my steel series and wish to deafen all my online friends
While I love my full-sized keyboard, respectfully - who cares. The whole idea of a PC is the freedom to use whatever you want.
Keyboards, controllers, speech to text, a wii-mote, literal bananas/bread, eye/blink trackers, whatever suits you best. Insisting there’s a best device for everyone doesn’t change people’s minds and just leads to hostility when we should be glad more people are using the device that makes them happy. One day you might be one of them when your circumstances or preferences change.
Full-size is objectively superior, everything else is a mitigation for sub-optimal circumstances.
If you have reduced desk space and need to conserve your keyboard size to allow more room for a mouse then absolutely, pick as small a keyboard as you’re comfortable with to get sufficient mousing space.
Anything beyond that is subjective personal preference, which again I have no qualms with, but calling it better without further qualification is going to invite incredulity.
If a full-sized keyboard provides all the keys you reasonably need to do your tasks efficiently, then yes a full-sized keyboard is superior. But that is just not the use case for everyone, hence why it can’t be objectively so. Unless you want to imply that more keys even if you don’t need them is better anyways.
If so, you could argue this monstrosity of a keyboard (or something even bigger) is what everyone should be using if they have the space, since it has way more buttons than a full-sized keyboard, making it even more objectively superior. In reality you would not use more than 30% of the buttons on that keyboard, so the rest might as well not exist. But if you are, I don’t know, some macro-wizard playing 4 instances of WoW at the same time, maybe it is objectively superior for your needs, but for me a normal sized keyboard would do.
But to try and sense where you’re coming from, it should also be said that someone telling you their choice is better and disregarding that your criteria aren’t the same as theirs is being silly as well. And sometimes they can be stubborn and agitated about that as well - exactly the kind of hostility I meant in my initial comment. But someone’s got to step up and swallow their pride and accept it really is just all subjective at the end of the day.
My biggest problem with that “monstrosity” is that it’s ortholinear.
You imply that such a thing being “optimal” is absurd, but if you had infinite usable desk space then what, exactly, would be the argument against it? If space is not a consideration then what does it matter if you don’t use every key?
Lots of people like smaller keyboards, and that’s perfectly fine. I get it as an aesthetic choice, and for many people it may not impact their daily use at all. But you will not convince me that removing the option of having additional keys for binding is a non-zero cost, even if they’re not currently being used.
For what it’s worth, I never used anything like that monstrosity, but I was quite happy with my G15 for the time that I had it which had 18 additional keys, plus media control, over a typical full size.
but if you had infinite usable desk space then what, exactly, would be the argument against it?
So I guess we agree then. Circumstances make something more or less optimal, meaning they are not objectively more optimal in every situation. That was my entire point, nothing more.
No one has discussed split keyboards, which offer all the benefits of a full size and addresses ergonomic concerns across the board. Need only half your keyboard today? Done and done.
Need ALL the keyboard, we gotchu.
This is objectively superior, as it saves you from RSI.
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100% or bust!
Get a larger desk. No way I’m typing numbers not on a keypad
I’m pulling my separate numpad out when I know I’ll be entering a lot of numbers. Or reach over to it when I enter a PIN from muscle memory. Otherwise I toss it to the side.
I use this occasionally when i need to do a lot of number typing whilst using my mouse so i can relax my arm to the side rather than reaching across the KB and straining the muscle behind my shoulderblade.
I went up to a comfortable 110 WPM.
What is this beautiful thing and where can I purchase it
It’s the Neo Ergo by qwertykeys. Should have regional vendors with either stock or preorder, although the mech market has slowed a lot.
Oh, it’s a build it yourself keyboard… I can’t count on vendors beacause I don’t live in the US
Pretty sure the manufacturer is in China. You just need to find a vendor closest to you. It will never go through the US.
Yey, found one in europe ! Ty !
How was the assembly ? I’ve never put a keyboard together and I’m a bit confused by if you need to solder anything, or buy anything else (are the switches and keycaps included ?)
You will need switches and keycaps. Stabilizers are included. Get the tri-mode or hot swap PCB to avoid soldering.
Assembly is super easy.
Ok, thanks a lot !
Look up Microsoft ergonomic keyboard. Best thing they ever made to date.
Unavaliable where I live :/
I have a full-sized and a 96%. I don’t know how people live without a numpad. Even my laptop has a numpad. I don’t do excel shit. But at work I have to enter alot of phone and CC numbers. At home I use the numpad for rating photos when sorting and importing them.
I use the number pad for various keybinds in games where there are too many things to control with the keys I regularly use.
Are you Grubby? No actual human uses number pad for keybinds in games, only game Gods who learned before there were real alternatives.
The numpad is still a popular option in roguelikes. It’s also worth noting that sometimes the ortholinear layout of numpad keys is more appropriate than the staggered layout of letter keys.
I use it for keybinds that I don’t use very often, but still need on occasion. Frees up the other keys for more important stuff. Very useful for weapon hotkeys in games like Fallout when I have a ton of guns.
Yeah 96% is great for me. I work in commercial credit analysis and I’m constantly typing numbers (account numbers/financial information/etc) so not having a number pad would suck. I work from home like 75% of the time and my work space is shared with my personal computing space. I have 1 keyboard that’s Bluetooth so I can swap between my personal desktop, personal laptop, and my work laptop. Same with my mouse. Sometimes I do think about getting a smaller keyboard and adding a separate numpad that can tuck out of the way when I’m not working as I don’t use it much for personal computing.
I don’t know how people live without a numpad
Simple, they don’t need to do all those specific things you use yours for!
sorry but I agree. numpad masterrace. say no to degenerate keyboards.
A keyboard without a numpad is like a cock without a foreskin.
Stupid as fuck, but some people don’t know any better
That analogy is a work of art. So casually out of pocket
So you can pull the skin to reveal your numpad?
On my desktop, I need that num pad.
On the go, I loathe my laptop keyboard and mouse, and bring a 60% and a mouse. Easy to fit in the bag for travel if I’m setting up shop somewhere for a few days or more. Also a dock so I can hook it up to the hotel TV or conf room display easily if they are behind the times.
part of it is that on 75% the numpad is optional, and it gives you more desk space for other things
Long live the numpad!
I don’t need the numpad. But no function keys? That’s insane.
They just become like laptops with a Fn+# key. It’s not like they are ‘gone’. Same thing with home/end/etc.
I’m not a fan of that, personally.
I went from a 100% membrane to a 60% mechanical, then a ~63% (think the 60% one but ONLY with extra arrow keys) then to a tenkeyless minus some of the useless keys, now to a full tenkeyless one
Here’s what I have. Honestly it’s perfect.
That’s my current keyboard too! (Except the NES color-scheme)
They recently came out with a full-size version, which is tempting me.
Where is my 130% keyboard?
MORE IS MORE!
Just 130%? Pfft
Get the 200% — Redragon Alien
Might I interest you perchance in the Hyper7?
A (wo)man after my own heart
I just use two keyboards.
I’ve been moving toward preferring full keyboards, but I wish it were more normalized for them to put the numpad on the left side.
I’m not sure if I would start sane if the number pad was on the left side.
I’d have to try it
I bind the mouse thumb buttons to win+ctrl+left/right to flip back and forth between virtual desktops and just use my thumb to toggle back and forth between something with numbers I need to look at, and something I need to add those numbers to. But camping left hand on numpad way over to the right eventually feels awkward, it’d probably feel more comfortable to have numpad to the left more closely aligned to my left shoulder because my right hand never moves off my mouse for nothing
With the Everest Max you can choose on which side you dock your numpad: https://mountain.gg/keyboards/everest-max/
That’s interesting. What is your advantage moving the numpad?
I could kind of understand if it’s a left handed thing, though I’m left handed and have always used right handed peripherals. Maybe I got beaten into the right handed world at a young age and never thought there was another option.
I wonder if my K:D ratio on CS:GO would improve if I assumed with my left hand…
It gets your mouse closer to the actual keyboard.
When you let go of the keyboard to get your mouse with a full, you have to go over to the numpad, even though you don’t use it very often. It puts your right hand in a position that’s not very natural, at least to me.
I should say, I’d rather have both the numpad and arrow key column on the left. I’m right handed. One benefit would is less travel anytime you need to move your hand from your mouse to keyboard and back, as well as those relative distances promoting slightly more even/ergonomic arm positioning.
The other benefit is that I might actually be inclined to use the numpad for games instead of wasd, which would free up the rest of the keyboard for more shortcuts.
If I could I would have two tiers and pedals like an organ master
No pedals but how about the Hyper7 R4?
Beautiful! Thank you!
I’m in love
