Here’s a list of a few .ml communities and potential replacements:
- ask lemmy - !asklemmy@lemm.ee !asklemmy@sh.itjust.works
- linux - !linuxquestions@lemmy.zip !linux@linux.community !linux@programming.dev
- memes* - !memes@sopuli.xyz !memes@slrpnk.net !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone !memes@midwest.social
- programmer humor - !programmer_humor@programming.dev
- world news - !news@beehaw.org !globalnews@lemmy.zip
- technology - !technology@sh.itjust.works
- funny - !funny@sh.itjust.works
- ukraine - !ukraine@sopuli.xyz
Side note the main issue with .ml is transparency. It’s fine if the admins of an instance implement whatever rules they want in their instance; however, once they start enforcing hidden rules disguised as violations of the listed rules, they’re being liars and treating the users as stupid things to be herded, not as human beings.
EDIT: as people noticed I’m not including .world comms to not encourage even further concentration of activity into the largest instance. Decentralisation is important. Also I’m adding stuff that you guys suggest.
* for specialised memes, as the category is rather large:
I had the audacity to say that the deaths of Tiannanmen’s Square were inexcusable, no matter who started the violence, and my comment was removed under instance rule 1 (bigotry)… like wat 😂
Ah, typical lemmy.ml . They have a hard time understanding that you can support a certain ideology without necessarily turning a blind eye to everything that people claim to be doing for the sake of said ideology, or that any criticism against their actions is automatically false.
I remember you, by the way. You were already an old Lemmy user when I joined in, 3y ago!
My OG account is 6 years old 👴
You are our past
Our present
Our future
The .ml transparency thing is a symptom, not a root cause. The admins like and even participate in the .ml rhetoric. The rules ambiguity is intentional.
We could argue that the root cause is that .ml admins pretending that their instance’s target audience is wider than it actually is.
Their target audience is Westerner suckers gullible enough to have their opinions manipulated
I was rejected when I first tried to sign up (when I was entirely new to lemmy) and they’re turning at least one user away now
Ah, they do it now? When I signed up there (~3y ago) there was no such thing.
Anyway, it’s still a problem because most users interacting with .ml content are from other instances.
3 years ago were there any other instances with traction? Agreed on your second point.
Nah, there were just LG and .ml, as OpenStars said. Technically HB too but they didn’t federate due to technical limitations.
Yep. I was not accepted several times. Now I am
Why were you rejected?
Who knows? Lemmy gave very little feedback messages then. I found a good instance to stick with.
Edit: it would have been around when I made this account (i.e. couple days before blackout protest and maybe they wanted to encourage signups at the several others that had recently popped up.
It’s a great advertisement for communism that’s for sure. They haven’t even gotten real power and it already resembles the worst of what communism offers. They’re a bunch of wannabe Ceausescu’s.
the main issue with .ml is
transparencyauthoritarian propaganda with full-throated support from the admins!asklemmy@lemmy.world has over 70 times as many subscribers as the other two asklemmy communities combined.
I’m avoiding linking lemmy.world instances. We shouldn’t put even more eggs in that basket, you know.
But maybe we shouldn’t throw out the few eggs Lemmy does have.
Nobody is throwing eggs out. I’m recommending one basket instead of another, that’s it.
Yeah, it should be easier to grow ten communities about the same topic than one.
If you want to grow other instances, do it with unique stuff, not stuff .world already has. It’s not like there no room left.
Get a game developer to start posting their stuff on your new instance. Get celebrities to start posting their AMAs somewhere. Get big newspapers to start their own instance.
Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have. Federation is a feature, not a purpose, and it’s already doing its job by making .ml less relevant for a good reason.
Yeah, it should be easier to grow ten communities about the same topic than one.
Yeah, because people don’t totally cross-post stuff all the time, or subscribe to multiple comms around the same topic.
If you want to grow other instances, do it with unique stuff, not stuff .world already has. It’s not like there no room left.
If you’re that pissed that I’m not listing .world comms, to the point of trying to boss me around (see emphasis on imperative), you can list yourself those comms. With blackjack and hookers.
Do something other than trying to kill the dozen successful Lemmy communities we do have.
Okay, full stop here. Cut off the crap - in no moment I’m trying to “kill” those communities in .world, and you’re being a disingenuous liar (or worse, a bloody moron) for claiming otherwise.
Not going to waste my time further with you.
Doesn’t this exact argument go for the few lemmy.ml eggs as well?
Yes, but it’s a smaller issue than .ml’s censorship issue.
memes:
- !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone is the single best meme community on lemmy, imho
- !memes@midwest.social,
and for more specialized memes:
- !science_memes@mander.xyz,
- !reactionmemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com,
- !mathmemes@lemmy.blahaj.zone,
- !loweffortmemes@walledgarden.xyz,
- !lotrmemes@midwest.social,
- !leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com,
- !flippanarchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com,
- !femcelmemes@lemmy.blahaj.zone,
- !fedimemes@feddit.uk
world news: I realize you’re avoiding lemmy.world to promote decentralization which is why you’re listing !news@beehaw.org, but note that beehaw defederated itself from lemmy.world and from several others?
Is femcel memes ironic?
Their sidebar has a longish explanation of where they’re coming from.
I’ll check it out, thanks.
Edit: sounds good to me. Especially that last bit.
I’ve added all of them to the list, thanks!
Regarding !news@beehaw.org, now there’s an alternative there.
An odd choice on their part is dessalines upvoting every comment that corresponds to a removal or ban. Feels almost as though they’ve Jerry-rigged their moderation code to an extreme degree in order to keep up with the day job levels of moderation they’re doing.
I suggest you add !globalnews@lemmy.zip to the news section. Beehaw isn’t accessible to people on instances they’ve defederated from or instances that have defederated them.
Hello! That’s a very lovely formatted table with links, however, clicking on them does nothing for me whilst clicking on links otherwise in the replies does take me to the respective communities. I don’t know if it’s just me though.
That’s weird - are you accessing lemmy through a browser, or some app?
Check if it works here: !funny@sh.itjust.works
If it does then it’s the table interacting weirdly with the links, I can fix it by removing the table.
It’s fine if the admins of an instance implement whatever rules they want in their instance; however, once they start enforcing hidden rules disguised as violations of the listed rules, they’re being liars and treating the users as stupid things to be herded, not as human beings.
I see a lot more of that on .world communities, specifically the news and political memes communities will remove comments for “misinformation” even if you’re citing academic works.
will remove comments for “misinformation”
As they should
even if you’re citing academic works.
I’ve seen the “academic works” y’all cite, blog posts, YT videos, random books and retracted studies
random books
So if we’re not allowed to cite books, what exactly do you want?
blog posts, YT videos, and retracted studies
Who is citing those? I’ve had liberals link hour long youtube essays and I just say “lol I’m not going to read that”, but I’ve not noticed anyone on the left doing that.
If the .world admins are doing it too, it’s also bad. Thankfully I didn’t list a single .world community, although for another reason.
Citing some random paper doesn’t make what your saying not disinformation.
From a formal logic perspective, your statement is true. But in real life, the more important distinction is not between “true” and “false”, but between “purposefully deceptive and ungenuine disinformation” versus “outspoken dissenting viewpoint”. And that is one that people are really bad at telling the difference between, especially if the viewpoint in particular is one that they hold very strongly.
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peer reviewed
Mazières, D., & Kohler, E. (2005). Get me off your fucking mailing list [PDF]. Accepted for publication in the International Journal of Advanced Computer Technology in 2014.
As long as it’s not only lemmy.world communities you start growing. Centralization won’t lead to good outcomes anywhere.
Absolutely! Grow a community on any instance that doesn’t allow the kind of users that lemmy.ml does I say.
I think we gave them too much power by making their communities as big as we did
I’m glad there is enough critical mass to move past those fucking hatemongers. “Pure free speech and anarchy!” If you say exactly what we want you to, also don’t accidentally offend us with normal fucking words
“Free speech!”
Ok tankie.
“Not like that!”
Did you know that Norway, Sweden, and Denmark all have laws against hate speech, harassment, and discriminatory expressions targeting protected groups. For instance, Norwegian law prohibits public statements that threaten or insult someone, or promote hatred based on factors like ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation. At the same time they consistently top indices like the Reporters Without Borders’ World Press Freedom index. I’m not saying that your comment is threatening or anything, but it doesn’t seem very important to me to protect the right of someone to use a crude derogatory like “tankie” (a word with parallels to terms like “pinko” and “judeo Bolshevik”).
Even the US has protected classes even if the list is woefully short.
I doubt tankies are a protected class in nordic states since they are like nazis and other groups that fetishize violent oppression. Tankie doesn’t parallel with pinko becsuse one is about violent oppression and the other is about the left side of the political spectrum.
In reality, the pervasiveness of derogatories like that limit free speech. Of course, this goes the same for calling everyone one disagrees with a lib or fascist as well.
Permitting hate speech limits free speech by making the space unsafe for marginalized voices.
What are you saying that causes people to call you a liberal or a fascist?
Thank you, that’s true but doesn’t catch the nuance of my argument. It doesn’t need to be hate speech to have a chilling effect on public debate. Name-calling instead of actual political discourse, for instance.
I’ve been called many things but liberal or fascist are seldom among them. I do observe comrades who use those terms very lightly and in uncomeradely fashion though.
Or more subtly:
I can’t even say life’s a bitch over there without being filtered because of misogyny which I guess? But that’s not my intent and I don’t think the majority read it with that connotation. What if I just want to quote a Nas classic?
It gets dumber: last I checked their word filter doesn’t pay any regard to a comment’s set language so even If I set my comment to French “retard” will be filtered on ml communities and to their users regardless of where I comment.
Je suis en retard
Becomes
Je suis en removedEdit: actually, let’s see if this has been fixed, test French comment in reply to this:
Edit2: lmao
I’ve tried to talk about fire retardants there once… It gets cut too.
Je suis en retard
oh no I’m not allowed to use a slur even though I’m using it in a common phrase that originates as the slur being used as a slur
I’m supposed to get away with doing things
Did you only read half of my comment?
What about the French example?
You said two stupid things but only one of them was fun to make a joke out of.
Your french shit is equally stupid. “But it’s not a slur in a language we aren’t speaking right now so I should get to say it!!!”
How about you just stop having a piss fit you spoiled little fuck? Not once in your ‘analysis’ are you bothering to do the literally only valuable piece of thought work: actually measuring the cost/benefit of having a strong deterrence to bigotry vs “I can think of a word that has a slur as part of it but can still be easily understood by people reading it through context clues”
When a piece of shit only weighs the cost of doing things to protect vulnerable minorities and not the benefit to those people, it’s pretty fucking easy to suss out their beliefs on the issue in general.
Dudes takes are so bad even he doesn’t want to upvote them lol:
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They’re not anarchists tho. Don’t associate anarchism with .ml bullshit
I was in an argument with some .ml tankie yesterday, and they had the gall to say that “free speech that doesn’t threaten the government is tolerated everywhere,” in response to a comment saying that the CCP censors speech. They didn’t like my assertion that that statement also applies to Nineteen Eighty-Four’s Ingsoc party. It’s technically true, that free speech that doesn’t threaten the government is tolerated in Oceania. It’s just that the government considers any dissent threatening.
My last straw was when I made a meme on their meme instance that had no Asians, anyone related to Asia, or racism in it. And they removed the post with 500+ up votes and a healthy discussion, because my title was “Rice.”
They literally told me rice, the word by itself, is racist. I just chose a random word for the title to fill the blank.
You didn’t choose a random word. It’s obvious why you chose that specific word in reference to gaming hardware. And we know the racist roots of the term.
don’t accidentally offend us with normal fucking words
What were the normal words that people found so offensive?
Yeah, we’d hate to make a good alternative when everyone can just use Bluesky and Meta.
The hate for .world simply because of size doesn’t make sense to me. It’s fine to make new (unique) communities elsewhere, but shunning the biggest successful communities on .world to try to grow empty communities on other instances is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
If you’re constantly shunning the biggest instance simply for being big, you’ll end up killing Lemmy.
There’s more than just being big, those things may not matter to you, or even the majority, but I’ve heard enough gripes repeated to know some people are bothered.
The flip flopping on policies without clear transparency bothered some people but tbh I forgave that as growing pains of being in charge of a new popular platform.
The one mentioned more often is how they’re one of the main ones to federate with Meta’s Threads. Integration isn’t really there right now anyway but every other major Lemmy instance has preemptively blocked them already:
sourceI can respect the Threads thing. That’s a valid reason other than “we need to be even smaller”.
It’s not that we need to be smaller, but we benefit if we all grow similarly, or at least the community distribution does.
we need to be even smaller
That’s not the argument, please don’t trust it needlessly like that
The point is that having everything be on one instance results in the centralized abuse of power we saw with reddit
Per example: .world has some famously bad power mods (a certain soaring mollusk comes to mind) same as reddit, growing communities outside of that centralized area gives us a place to run when they finally snap completely, as is inevitable with power mods
This is very easy to do thanks to how Lemmy works
That mod has one political community. That’s it. “They” appears to be one mod of one community that you have an issue with.
I don’t think most of the data in the network should be hosted by a single legal entity, that’s just unhealthy even if the protocol is open. It’s also my main complaint about bluesky- technically open protocol, de facto centralization.
You can see instances that haven’t been defederated. Why is it important for everyone to be on the same one? Everyone has the ability to get the same feed on All.
I criticized the CCP on lemmy.ml and got called racist and got banned lmao
Edit: thank you for the link, Lazycog@sopuli.xyz!
https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=2602275
I stand by every single comment that’s been removed from this platform. Some of them were removed for good reason, one of them was a brain fart that I shouldn’t have posted in the first place, but I’m happy to have y’all investigate my moderation history
ETA: If you read this, and then replied to a comment that’s already been removed from a community I’m banned from, you’re an idiot. I literally can’t interact with you. Why not reply to this comment?
I’ve been called a racist, a homophobe (???) and worst of all a liberal and a fascist (same thing apparently /s) all because I insisted that China isn’t worth simping for.
What I hate most about tankies is that they are the only true leftists and anybody who disagrees with them is just a poser and a liberal. Especially anarchists.
For clarity, the thread you are talking about was filled with reasonable discussion that you doubled down on ignoring. The biggest thing people took issue with is your insistence on having a negative opinion towards something you in the same breath admitted you lacked real knowledge of how the PRC works. There’s a difference between having an opinion based on strong investigation, and one made by vibes, something pointed out repeatedly to you.
If somebody so desperately wants me to support the second most powerful empire in the world the burden of proof is on them, not on me.
The burden of proof is on the person making claims. The people in that thread nevertheless gave you plenty of proof countering your claims.
My claim was that tankies exist. Which you’re proving true once again.
Go watch CGTN, aka the only “proof” supplied.
I provided much more than CGTN, and that was with respect to legal structures alone. Everyone else provided plenty of evidence as well. You provided very little and doubled down on anti-China myths.
Won’t somebody think of the poor nation state empire? :(
The only burden I’ve ever placed on you is to be self-consistent and not use homophobic insults.
And I don’t need your support for China. You are largely indistinguishable from other liberals that think they are anarchist for some unclear reason, having done no work to shed the liberal propaganda against the US state’s designated enemies. And now that you are over here having clearly done no reflection or self-criticism regarding your misconceptions and bad faith behavior, why do you think anyone should spend time trying to educate you?
If you don’t need my support why are you badgering me here??? I never asked to be “educated” if that’s what you call your sleuth of abusr. Leave me alone, you’re blocked.
I am correcting your false claims and am getting amused by the fact that you abandoned any pretense of reading or responding to explanations in the previous thread, even making excuses for not having the time to do so, even though now that you clearly do have time you are using it to instead double down on your misconceptions while still lashing out at “the tankies” (me).
You lobbed insults and denigration and now plead victimhood when receiving mild criticism of your claims and behavior.
lol you’re still at this after abandoning this thread? The one where you jumped in, whinged about “tankies”, and then ignored nearly everything that I said to you while apologizing for not having the time to respond?
Why are you now here and still whinging rather than back at that thread actually engaging? Why are you doubling down on this nonsense when you couldn’t defend it directly against your targets of insult?
Remember when you resorted to the homophobic remarks I predicted?
The thing I hate about tankies is the same thing I hate about fascists, every other living thing on earth shares a common ancestor with them. I propose we exile them from the evolutionary tree, return them to the dirt they truly are so that they may be of some use to all living creatures.
imagine saying shit like " I propose we exile them from the evolutionary tree" and thinking you’re anti-fascist
But I am an anti fascist, just cause im a bloodthirsty bastard who thinks murder is a borderline panacea doesnt mean I am fascist. Fascism has some very notable ideological elements that do not apply to me. Also when I say want to kill someone unless they are in a position of power I want to beat them physically first so that I may break their beliefs, after all if they stop believing then they arent a fascist now are they.
Just cause you associate bloodthirst and antisocial tendencies with fascists doesnt make it an applicable element to me. Plus I loath authority too much to be an authoritarian, it is traditional amongst my kin to reject even our elders authority.
gee, i’m peeing my pants over here
i called you a fascist because of your borderline eugenicist way of framing it, but you’re also a psychopath too apparently so that’s fun
I was making a darwin award joke, basically just a way of saying I want to commit homicide. Also not psychopathy just a nasty mix of Autism and PTSD.
Least genocidal liberal
Tankies essentially have more in common with other fascists than they do other leftists.
I once joined a stalinist discord. 3 weeks later it was a community of trans-Hitlerites who required an ID to join.
Is it 100% accurate to write communism off as fascism hiding under leftist wool? No, not 100% accurate, but it sure saves a hell of a lot of time.
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I criticized the CCP on lemmy.ml and got called racist and got banned lmao
Typical conservative sjw user /s
Thanks for posting that, I had no idea. Yikes. Time to find a new instance.
You know people can see your moderation history right?
I genuinely didn’t. How do you check that? I want to see their excuse for banning me
Not sure if this link will work on any lemmy clients, but open it in the browser (modlog on lemmy.ml and filtered by your user ID):
https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=2602275
Edit: I linked ml because I don’t know if modlogs federate over. E.g if lemmy.ml admin mod actions are visible on sh.itjust.works modlog page.
Thank you, I had no idea how to find this, it’s super fascinating
Some of these removals are perfectly warranted, like that L + ratio comment. It was a fun comment, but not productive. I didn’t even know I was banned from 196 for… Defending genocide? Because I didn’t want Trump elected? I would like to congratulate the moderators of blahaj.zone for successfully preventing a Harris presidency.
All the recent .ml stuff is because of “rule 1,” and y’all can plainly see that none of the comments removed were bigoted, and only one was uncivil.
No problem! I just got interested how the modlog actually looks like after seeing this comment chain and decided to finally check it out.
No idea whether that link is only showing the lemmy.ml admins actions on you or do the mod actions federate and show all the actions mods on any instance have taken on you though
I would like to congratulate the moderators of blahaj.zone for successfully preventing a Harris presidency.
The guys who’ve spent the last year telling the democrats “You need to stop the genocide and promote popular left policy if you want to win” are not responsible for the dems loss. The dems are responsible for their own loss for ignoring the obvious advice of “stop doing the thing that made you lose in 2022 and 2016 and 2010 and 2004 and instead do the thing that made you win in 2008 and 2020”
It’s particularly gross to suggest a predominantly trans instance wanted a trump presidency.
I agree that it’s the Democrats’ fault that they lost, but I stand by the assertion that people who would rather not vote at all than vote for the lesser of two evils are partially to blame when the greater of two evils wins.
I didn’t say they wanted a Trump presidency, I said they didn’t want a Harris presidency. I only congratulated them on their efforts to prevent that.
The people saying “Genocide, punishing immigrants, tough-on-crime rhetoric, and complicated, means-tested bullshit decreases your bases turnout” are not at fault for those unpopular policies decreasing turnout. Everyone who failed to publicly criticize the dems so they could maintain the delusion they could win while promising to do the opposite of what the people whose votes they depend on want are far more culpable.
Trans people voted for Harris, overwhelmingly. The problems were with white guys with a weird stick up their ass trying to convince everyone else not to vote to protect us. Good work I guess, you got what you wanted.
Nobody was telling people not to vote Harris, there’s a difference between that and telling the dems that the policies and messaging they adopted from the Republican’s 2016 platform were wildly unpopular and will not win the election.
And if the dems successfully ignore and silence all criticism from the left, they’re going to do the same shit in 2026 and 2028.
I’m honored to have learned about being banned from ML on this blessed day.
Checked both my account on lemm.ee and thelemmy.club, and its mostly clean.
https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=11745158 https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=13547228
It works on Thunder!
Scroll all the way to the bottom and click mod log to search. or click the 3 vertical dots to see a specific users mod history.
It might be an instance thing, I don’t know if all instances make modlogs this transparent.
The Winnie the Pooh stuff is just completely made up by Western propaganda. Also, how hard is “yellow face is racist”, when saying an Asian looks like a cartoon with yellow skin?
People don’t say Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the Pooh because Pooh is yellow, silly. They say it because he kinda looks like Winnie the Pooh
Banned starman2112 @sh.itjust.works from the community 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone reason: Weirdo who defends genocide, because only young people are aginast it
Thanks for the link and the laugh! 😂
It’s amusing to see the average user criticizing .ml while ignoring the bad behavior of others. LMAO!
Weirdo, why im not surprised at all 😂
Haha I also like reason: https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/#1-attacks-on-users-or-groups doxing is not ok on lemmy.world
The thread is them saying they would punch nazis
That one was warranted. While I am in favor of doxxing nazis, I understand the legal imperative to nuke threads where nazis are getting doxxed
The nazi was doxxed by other people, somewhere else. The poster suggested they should be punched.
Hey, uhm, I know you’re gonna react negatively to this, but could you answer me one simple yes or no question?
Are you pro-Russian?
And I’m of course against Russia but against Israel too you see
We have so much in common! I wish we had elected someone who wouldn’t simultaneously give Ukraine over to Russia, and ensure the total annihilation of the Palestinian people, and remove all access to gender affirming care for trans people in the country I live in.
But I guess the fact that I thought we should vote for the person who would kill fewer people means I support genocide, at least according to the 196 mod team
For your last paragraph,
That’s a false matter and conflict as a stranger to your country.
The real issue, isn’t you or non-voters, the real issue is the fucking trump voters.Don’t let them divide us on this one.
Sister, tell the mod team that. Non-voters are the ones saying voters support genocide.
I can understand that claim, because when you search you can see a lot of things not good concerning Democrats.
The politics under biden isn’t friendly to Palestinian and in a way say “that’s ok Israel” ,
Kamala didn’t stance a clear position on that.And by the past they were in meetings not with Palestinian’s representatives but just sionists.
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Explicitly mentioning it, despite already saying you support Ukraine. I like it. Thanks.
I should not explain my opinions/positions regarding this,
As a trans person, i cant be on the putin’s side you see ;)But, i hate to see things like “kill the russians” etc,
Do we accept “kill jews/israelien” ? No, and in good reason,
Why should we accept then the “kill all russians” etc ?Well, there’s a lot of Mexicans in the US who voted for Trump. There’s even a meme regarding people voting for leopards eating their faces, so you know, you can’t trust people to be reasonable always.
Who has said “kill all Russians”? Who has said “kill all jews”? (Aside from Hitler and his ilk)
I think it would be disingenuous to pretend like the majority of people are for massacring Israelis or Russians, when they’re clearly advocating for stopping the genocide in Gaza and Russia backing off from their attack on Ukraine. They broke international laws. Both of those parties, that is. That’s just… not on. Being against those actions and the people who perpetrated them doesn’t mean you’re advocating for “an eye for an eye” (a genocide for a genocide).
Well, there’s a lot of Mexicans in the US who voted for Trump. There’s even a meme regarding people voting for leopards eating their faces, so you know, you can’t trust people to be reasonable always
Who has said “kill all Russians”?
Who has said “kill all jews”? (Aside from Hitler and his ilk)I agree that the negative impacts of capitalism are significant, which may explain why some Mexican and Black voters support Trump. This phenomenon is perplexing to me, and I struggle to understand it.
Regarding hate speech, I want to address the troubling comments I’ve seen on platforms like Lemmy, where users have made statements such as “Time to kill more Russians.” This kind of rhetoric should not be tolerated, just as we do not accept antisemitism. It is essential to uphold a standard that rejects all forms of hate.
The problem is that these harmful comments often receive upvotes, which can mislead and confuse members of the Lemmy community, including its administrators. I frequently observe this dynamic at play.
Concerning the cries regarding such instances (ML, HB, LM), I believe that if these individuals are coherent in their beliefs, they should also oppose bigotry and racism, which can sometimes be found in other communities, such as on LW, Sopuli, etc.
There is clearly a lack of moderation in many instances, and this needs to be addressed to foster a more inclusive and respectful environment.
Nope,
I’m on the side of Ukrainian if you want to know 😑😐Good, good, just checking.
We need to call on more servers to defederate with lemmy.ml if we want more people to join the platform, I dont want my friends’ first experience of the platform to be a tankie post.
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I’d rather have .ml scaring shitlibs away while they stay on block, best of both worlds.
“We should defederate from everything which does not agree with my .world view and create a giant centralized echo chamber”!
Why the fuck does every .world user suddenly want Lemmy to be Reddit?
We should defederate from everything which does not agree with my .world view
I will try to formulate this as well as I can:
“One should not give a platform to instances which don’t give a platform to others.”
Examples (based on hexbear):
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in some communities you get banned for voting the wrong way --> other instances don’t practise banning for votes
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in some communities you get banned for being “reactionary” (that is, factual - Wikipedia would get banned just as quick) --> other instances only ban bigots, not people who politely disagree with locals
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in some communities, there is no obvious recourse to get a ban reviewed and reversed --> on other instances, there is a metacommunity about management or instructions about how to challenge a ban
The result: certain instances are granted a platform by others, but aren’t granting a platform to “foreigners” in return. And management habits in some places are straight from North Korea.
Defederating from an echo chamber doesn’t make your instance an echo chamber, unless you follow up by adopting the policies of the echo chamber you defederated from.
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“Different world views” isn’t a problem, the problem is users espousing repugnent “world views” and being assholes.
Pretending like we have to put up with other users’ repulsive, insane “ideas” and bullying behavior in our spaces is laughable. Bigots, fascists, and actual tankies can fuck off.
You probably have some views that are repugnent to me, and vice versa. That’s freedom of speech and political pluralism.
being assholes.
This though, I agree just ban that user.
One of the instances believes Hamas are freedom fighters and the state of Israel has no right to exist.
The other believes the inverse.
Who is the fascist with repugnant world views?
Hamas and the Netanyahu regime are bloodthirsty authoritarian regimes who both qualify as terrorists, given their recent exploits.
Dodged the question about Israels right to exist. Supports the Fascist state and condemned the freedom fighter.
There is your answer folks.
honestly y’all should go ahead and block every instance; we’d all be better off without you fascist bootlicking .world users
in what universe is a settler state that’s been brutalizing and ethnic cleansing the people from whom they stole their land the “freedom fighter”
Israel, as an idea to act as a haven after the 2nd world war for European Jewry, is dumb to begin with for a plethora of reasons at the time.
That said there’re plenty of states through history that begin under dubious pretenses. Their citizenry doesn’t deserve wanton violence nor does its necessarily deserve wholesale dissolution.
Israel does have a right to exist. The Israelis don’t have a right to take land forcibly from people and murder women and children.
Israel does have a right to exist. The Israelis don’t have a right to take land forcibly from people and murder women and children.
But that is how Israel exists. How can it not have the right to do that and then have the right exist simultaneously?
How can it not have the right to do that
Forcibly take land and murder civilians?
and then have the right exist simultaneously?
One can have a country and be fair and magnanimous with the people who were on the land before.
the latter. go back to Reddit lmao
I love it when obvious trolls are obvious, Once I’ve blocked enough of them whomever is left are people I can actually have a conversation with.
Do not answer the difficult question lest the mask starts slipping.
States don’t have rights, humans have rights, and the existence of Israel as an apartheid settler colonial project is incompatible with the human rights of the groups they are oppressing.
That’s true for essentially every state to some degree or another
Eh… Lemmy is already a lot like reddit in the very beginning, just more extreme.
I think a big problem with Lemmy is that even the large instances only have a few terminally online posters, so a lot of the communities get warped by those posters biases.
Right now Hexbear is having a little internal conflict between the mods and some posters over the harassment of lgbtq and POC. The mods started out handing out temporary bans to offenders and then people started freaking out because no one was posting shit.
Because Lemmy is fucking communist.
Please go back to reddit.
But they’re not wrong
You go back to lemmy. Oh wait
I don’t think the meme makes sense. The ml users don’t seem to care how much other content is out there. They still participate as much as they’d like.
Now what’s the juicy backstory to this drama?
Lemmy.ml is one of the biggest instances that serves up tankies, there was some conversation going on the .world admin thread regarding the federation issues about why not just defederate/“not fix it” and it was brought up they have a lot of content including one of the biggest Linux communities.
Thus this meme was born lol
OP is a nazi in the slow process of walling themselves off to everything but the furthest right most racist social circle possible and .ml is the worst now that hexbear and lemmygrad are gone. It won’t be enough and the cycle will just continue if they get their way.
If that’s your argument then I assume the “nazi” accusation is just bs. Lemmygrad and Hexbear were full of extremists.
Not sure what if any specific accusations you have in your head that remain unspoken, but the only thing you’re doing right now is showing off your terminal war on terror brain. “Extremists” means nothing. You’re talking about a community that posts owl pictures.
Did they yell at you too much for supporting a genocide? Did someone in your past refer to someone trying to purge leftists a ‘nazi’ and you took it personally?
You’re the extremist. You’re upset because you’re a bad person talking about good people.
It’s hilarious how I don’t even need to say anything more than that those two websites are bad and you immediately constructed a whole bogeyman to punch at.
Anyone who’s visiting lemmygrad.ml (btw having a logo literally showing a battle tank) for more than 30 minutes and reading replies will not just see phenomenal bias towards China, the USSR and BRICS but utter denial of anything bad about them (usually through a mix of whataboutism and rabbit holes of political theory that eventually lead nowhere unless seen through a romanticized lense). Common “NATO caused Ukraine” and even old USSR propaganda nonsense gets flung around. Meanwhile you have to click through it really hard to find even one, for example, China-critical post (couldn’t find even one). Same with hexbear. The bias is as bad as your comebacks.
Well educated people are able to see and criticize all kind of wrongdoing, let it be from Russia, Israel, USA, China, socialism, capitalism or even some internet dork in the comment section. Those communities can not, they’re purely ideology- and doctrin-driven.
I welcome anyone reading this to visit lemmygrad.ml or hexbear.net and make up their own mind. 🙂
Are you literally a bot? Your answer is so generic and nonspecific. Why are you replying to me if you’re not going to answer my questions or respond to anything I said.
What boogeyman? This is the second time someone’s used that buzzword without explaining wtf they’re talking about with it.
The other 90% of your comment is just you being a fucking idiot saying shit about things you’ve never investigated. It alludes to the idea that you’ve had arguments with people before, but when they inform you of recent history and uncontroversial facts, you just have a mental block that prevents you from learning anything. But it cannot be emphasized enough: it’s nothing but a robotic rant about leftists that you could have stuck under any comment that triggered you.
But I’ll second your recommendation that people visit those sites, especially hexbear. These people are not normal, they’re not good, and there are places where you can have a good internet experience without these right wing psychos recreating the worst parts of reddit.
Not believing the US propaganda apparatus is thoughtcrime
Damn, never noticed I couldn’t say stuff like “the US is a shitshow” over here. The agents on my door were always so nice as well!
Buggers, guess I’ll have to buy some Apple stocks now and pleasure myself over a picture of Abraham Lincoln.
You can say whatever you like if nobody cares.
Say something bad about liberalism, NATO, or Ukraine or something good about China or the USSR that threatens the narratives the mods are invested in, and you’re liable to have your comment removed for “misinformation”, especially if you cite academic works.
Same answer as above: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/25676408/14608182
I can also cite academic papers that apparently prove homeopathy works or, if time doesn’t matter, that lobotomy is worth a nobel prize. Doesn’t mean they ain’t of low quality / biased and pro-shit.
Where are you finding low-quality works being cited by MLs? I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but ML groups are infinitely more willing to engage in self-crit than liberals.
An example I had comments removed for was Liberalism: A counter history, that goes through the words, actions, and context of major liberal philosophers to define liberalism.
Also Life and Terror in Stalin’s Russia, because using real data to derive a nuanced understanding distracted from the USSR bad circle-jerk.
Try praising a US adversary state or mentioning the century of US imperialism and war crimes
Dude, there were literal happy posts all over the place when Kissinger passed. There are US-critical memes on Lemmy and the Fedi all the time, in addition to those making fun of Russia, China, communism etc. Most people are aware that the US is shit. However they’re also aware that the USSR back then and China right now are also huge piles of garbage, politically speaking (country and people sure are nice!).
Has it ever cross your mind that most people ain’t pissed because you’re anti-US, but because you’re pro-shit?
Sigh… Speaking only for myself, I am anti-Imperialist and pro-labor. I’m against the total dominion of the ruling class over all aspects of life in “The West”. I’m against a propaganda apparatus that deceives us into thinking servitude and misery is freedom. I’m against inventing atrocities supposedly committed by adversary states. I’m against thinking that reactionary thought can be defeated without state intervention. If that is pro shit then I am pro shit.
Have you ever considered that perhaps I once believed exactly as you did but then exposure to media outside of ruling class control here on lemmy “radicalized” me?
So cool that you’re allowed to criticize the US except you just happen to believe everything it says about everything it actually does so you’re never in conflict with it at all ever
Nice bogeyman you got there, really polished. You must have worked hard on it.
I’m sorry, what do you think a ‘boogeyman’ is? Do you dipshits just throw darts at a board to pick thought terminating cliches?
How does the concept of ‘boogeyman’ relate to the idea that you have never been in a position to learn if you have free speech in the first place, since you never say anything that conflicts with power?
You do know that you guys sound like a cult. The sovcits of the fediverse.
One side of the lefty versus lib divide is continuously agitating for defederation and downvoting every opinion they don’t agree with. One side disabled downvotes. Care to guess which is which?
NO ONE IS GETTING BANNED FOR CRITISIZING THE US HERE. In fact, it’s the norm here. Now, can you tell me how much I can badmouth the ccp on ml???
Can you show me an example of a well-reasoned and well-sourced criticism of China that triggered moderation action?
I got banned simply for stating that China is a centrally planned economy. Is that a bannable of fence nin your view despite it being the main description on Wikipedia and among most economists?
From your description, that certainly sounds like an uncontroversial take, I would love to see the actual post though… Commonly people’s summaries of posts that got them banned differ quite drastically from the actual post
I only follow some .ml communities for the only thing that instance is good for: Memes making fun of neoliberals
I go there to encounter communists and discuss communism with them. I don’t mind talking to people I disagree with, and until they kick me out I’ll keep going there to talk to them.
I don’t mind talking to people I disagree with, but I don’t enjoy being called names :P
Yeah they’re assholes, but it’s the sick who need a doctor
Good for you. I wish more people would talk to people they don’t immediately share values with.
A shame you get banned as soon as you point out some flaw in their arguments lol
I haven’t been banned for this yet.
Anecdotal evidence to the rescue!
i didn’t see any citations for yours either
Found the salty ml user!
thx! got more anarchist communities?
Check out the sidebar of !anarchism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Too bad anyone who doesn’t adhere to their specific definition of imperialism is a neoliberal in their view.
Don’t want to support a right winged authoritarian government that is actively engaging in imperialism…? What a lib.
Another day of .world reddit migrants thinking de-federating or boycotting .ml will change literally anything.
It will. It will change which instance they shriek “tankie!” at.
It is funny being one of the few somewhat rightwing people on here and getting called a tankie
ml makes sense on the fediverse. That’s kind of the whole point. Same with Linux.
I feel like I’m missing something important here as a simple fediverse user. I don’t really care about the politics, I just made an account during the first large Reddit exodus and choose an instance I thought would persist. I also made a second account on kbin.social, but it looks pretty dead as a project.
I never noticed anything described in this thread, but I’m subbed to many communities across the fediverse…
Why would you want to create an echo chamber? I genuinely don’t get it, it’s the internet, if you encounter an opinion you disagree with, literally just close the tab and it’s gone
Most people on here don’t mind being exposed to different viewpoints. If you ask me, even some - or even most, IDK - tankies are fine to talk to, even argue with, as they are usually civil.
The problem is that there are a lot of users on the *.ml instances who are not interested in debate, they just keep repeating the same 2-3 slogans over and over again in smug superiority as a reply to everything, and mods ban people randomly the same way.
When you meet some users who reply “you are misled by Western media” to anything you say as a final and incontrovertible argument, that’s not a good faith debate I’m willing to participate in.
The problem is not the differing opinions, but the differing norms for polite conversation and good faith arguments.
just keep repeating the same 2-3 slogans over and over again in smug superiority
Sounds like most of political/ideological Lemmy to me.
I said to grow communities, even across instances, just not on .ml. Cutting off a toxic instance because their admins refuse to reign in the worst of them is not creating an echo chamber.
The beauty of the fediverse is that you can make it how you want. You can self select into a instance that best reflects your individual values. You can block what you want. You can see publicly what the instance and moderators are doing.
Why would anyone be mad about that?
They want us to be as angry as they are lmao
As a lemmy.ml account holder… I’m a bit out of the loop. I’m not tied to any single instance and can move to a new one (any recommendations?), but what does ml do that’s bad? Honest question, promise, I don’t follow this stuff very much
Same experience as you. Always thought it would be better to be hosted by MLs than anarchocapitalists, megalomaniacs and whatever one would call Elon Musk. Seems like internal drama. I do see now some examples in this thread where for instance the french word for late gets removed, but not really a problem for me, actually it’s a bit refreshing.
If you are not engaging in political posts or are not a hardcore liberal, you’d be hard pressed to find a problem.
I’m pretty far left, but I wouldn’t say “liberal”, more like “this hexbear place seems pretty good”
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