• @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.mlOP
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    101 year ago

    Kherson was one of the four regions annexed by Russia in September. The remaining regions are Donetsk, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts (and of course Crimea).

      • @basiliscos@lemmy.ml
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        21 year ago

        Some battles are not necessary won with weapons. Russia leaves Kherson, as it becomes too costly (in terms of resources, including humans) or too risky to hold it further.

        The situation is actually similar to Zmeinyj island: when Russia captured it on early satges, but later Ukraine (mainly with long-range NATOs artillery) forced to leave it.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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          31 year ago

          You’re right, the situation is very similar to Zmeinyj, neither has any strategic importance. All Ukraine gets out of this is a PR victory. The city doesn’t provide Ukraine with any resources, and it will tie up troops. If it was hard to hold for Russia, then same goes for Ukraine as well. Again, same parallel as Zmeinyj island that neither side is willing to spend resources to hold.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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              31 year ago

              I did not think that Russia would invade Ukraine. At the time it seemed that Russia could get what they wanted through diplomatic means. Clearly that didn’t turn out to be the case. Nobody has a crystal ball that lets them see the future. All we can do is look at the information available and make judgments about what’s likely to happen given information that’s available at the time.

              Not sure why you think that’s some kind of gotcha.

              • @hfkldjbuq@beehaw.org
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                1 year ago

                Cool. But I wonder what is your actual agenda. You publish your reality that is favorable as pro Russia/China; so your agenda is more generalizable as anti-west than left/communism. Well China sides with Russia even though one tries socialism and state capitalism and the other fascism/kleptocracy/populism/nationalism. They align for historical, anti-west, authoritarian, economic, strategic defense.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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                  31 year ago

                  My agenda is to educate heavily propagandized people in the west on the information that’s suppressed by media here.

                  The west is the greatest threat to the world today. US empire dominates and subjugates many countries preventing them from being able to develop. The sooner this empire falls the better off humanity will be.

                  While Russia may be a capitalist hellhole just like the west, it’s currently playing a role of destabilizing this nightmarish empire. The likely outcome of this conflict will be that the west implodes economically. The biggest winner from all this will ultimately be China, a socialist country led by a communist party.

      • @graphito@lemmy.ml
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        01 year ago

        And that’s it? I’ve been waiting for so long for you to react to liberation of Kherson and that’s the best you came up with?

        My Disappointment Is Immeasurable And My Day Is Ruined

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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          41 year ago

          That’s pretty incoherent. Russia evacuated the city, and letting Ukraine take it the same way they let Ukraine take other territory earlier. This is not a victory where Ukraine actually defeated Russian army. While that’s happening, Russia is moving in additional 300k troops and destroying Ukrainian power grid as we speak.

          There’s a pretty stark difference between the way Russia and Ukraine conduct this war. Russia always prioritizes preserving the troops and equipment while focusing on strategic gains. On the other hand, Ukraine strategy is driven largely by delivering media victories for their western sponsors.

          As a result, Ukraine is suffering horrific losses of men and equipment without having the ability to replenish either effectively. Ukraine has no domestic military industrial capacity at this point, and relies solely on the dwindling supplies from the west. Meanwhile, much of the able bodied population has already been either drafted or fled the country by now.

          • @pingveno@lemmy.ml
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            01 year ago

            additional 300k troops

            How many of those actually showed up? How many fled across the border? How many did Putin later walk back because he realized calling up 50 year olds was a bad look? And how many are so poorly equipped and/or trained that they’re more trouble than they’re worth?

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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              01 year ago

              Every report I’ve seen says that not only did they meet the quota, they also got around 70k volunteers. Russia has over a 100 million people, it’s absurd that anybody would think they couldn’t scrape 300k troops.

              Also, Russian mobilization cut off was at the age 45, while Ukraine just announced a mobilization of anybody under 60. That does give a hint regarding who’s hurting more for troops.

              Meanwhile, literally millions of people have fled Ukraine already, and you seriously think Ukrainian troops are better equipped with their hodge podge of donated weapons from NATO inventories?

          • @graphito@lemmy.ml
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            1 year ago

            yeeees-yes-yes, beautiful! Yeah, let me see

            • retaliation is a strategic gain | check!
            • driving away the enemy without a fight is both suffering horrific losses and also doesn’t count not a real victory | check-check!
            • dooming the poorest of civilians to frost death without electricity while not affecting the situation on the battlefield is a real victory (oof, I thought you’re communist!) | CHECK
            • EU will freeze 😞 | Not check! | did you forget to practice your lines? I thought we’ve already gone through this all several times!

            Also-also, can you name a situation where you would (hypothetically of course!) acknowledge ukrainian gains? I really would like to have it on the record to show it to you later

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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            11 year ago

            It did seem unlikely given that Russia now considers Kherson city to be Russian territory. Please do explain what this changes militarily if Ukraine controls Kherson city.

            • @basiliscos@lemmy.ml
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              41 year ago

              Please do explain what this changes militarily if Ukraine controls Kherson city.

              Russia will have to recapture Kherson, as it is part of Russia (since Sept. 2022).

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                Now that they ran the referendum, they don’t really have a choice in the matter according to their constitution. However, they can do this on their own time. There is no pressing need for Russia to do that right now. But this does tie up Ukrainian troops in order to hold it.

                Russia’s ultimate goal is a military victory and destruction of the Ukrainian army. If they achieve that goal then they will capture a lot more than just Kherson city.