I’ll take both
Why are we getting weird and territorial about cheese and pasta?
Because if we don’t separate everything by race, how can we hate each other effectively? We must attempt to make people feel bad or excluded for our differences!
Because it’s Lemmy
Forget it Jake, it’s
ChinatownLemmyJust got around to watching this movie for the first time, real happy ending.
Yeah man, both at fine. I’ve had some great 4-cheese homemade mac’n cheese that doesn’t turn out too dry, but that seems to be the rarity.
How else can we keep racism thriving?
Yeah why are white people in this thread so goddamn triggered over what they claim to love?
I’ve never met a white woman who wouldnt say the stuff on the right is the best she’s ever had but had never had the the stuff on the left.
President’s Day
I maintain that Mac and Cheese is one of those foods that weirdly gets better the worse and more fake it is.
Ive had some gourmet shit and I always think “I miss the old Kraft one with the tinned cheese.”
I enjoy White Castle every once in a while. I tried their new 1929 or whatever its called burger. Its actually a pretty good burger but I decided that when I go to White Castle, I just want a standard slider with cheese with ketchup and onions.
Cause you’re tasting that sweet, sweet nostalgia.
I’d bet if you gave someone that’s never had Mac and cheese before Kraft Mac vs a good gourmet Mac, the gourmet will win by an absolute landslide.
Cheap Mac and cheese isn’t good because it’s good… It’s good because of the old memories attached to it.
Nah, thats not it.
The gourmet stuff just seems to be missing the whole point for me, not saying its bad Ive had some that were really good but they just seem to be missing the point. Its never going to be good for me nutritionally speaking, its not going to be served at a michellin star restaraunt. It’s Macaroni and Cheese. It’s like corn chips, I’m not saying that the gourmet Deli ones are bad, but they arent Doritos. That orange powder is delicious because it’s fake and engineered. I wouldnt make Nachos with Doritos but if your after that “Cheez” its whats right.
Hard disagree. Gourmet mac just tastes like noodles and bland cheese gravy.
Bro, that’s not good Mac and cheese. You haven’t had good Mac and cheese. I promise you.
Check out how to use sodium citrate and what it does.
Them get yourself some of your favorite cheese.
For me, smoked Gouda and cave aged cheddar and a little pecorino romano if I’ve got it.
Roughly 4-5g of sodium citrate per 100g of cheese. Use water or milk, start with a half cup and add more as you need it, honestly there’s more than enough fat content in the cheese that it won’t make a difference. Shred cheese and add to simmering water. Keep adding cheese until everything is in the pot, and the sauce is perfectly smooth. There should be no lumps. Add more water or milk to desired consistency, and add some mustard powder, cayenne, and garlic. And salt to your preference. It’s the creamiest Mac and cheese you’ll ever have, and the depth of flavor is game changing. I promise you.
You can even take it to the next step with caramelized onions or shallots and some crumbled sausage. Finish with some bread crumbs, a little paramesian, and some smoked paprika on top, and toss it under the broiler for a minute to toast up.
For reference, the photo of the “Juneteenth” version is melted cheese with noodles. Fuck that. The recipe I gave you will look like the stuff on the right, and its so fucking good, you’ll discover God in that bowl of Mac and cheese.
Well, that does sound better than the horseshit I’ve been served in the past.
Counterpoint:
Trash macs and cheese are really good, and there are some amazing high-effort recipes.
It’s all the stuff in the middle that forms an uncanny valley that isn’t any good.
I do love the hot Chetto flavored Mac and cheese
I’ve had a box in my cabinet for a couple weeks, gonna make it now thanks to you.
Good meme! (I have no clue what any of it means other than the dates)
Juneteenth celebrates the abolishment of slavery, I’d say people of colour are the most happy about that, and people of colour are stereotypically famous for making good food
4th of July celebrates the US independence, which though not a predominantly a white holiday more white people (on account of being a racial majority) will celebrate it, and white people are stereotypically famous for making bland food
This seems pretty dumb… I don’t typically attribute amazing Mac and cheese to minorities.
Like… Most other foods, sure. But this one? Come now…
I don’t think the meme itself is making that particular distinction, moreso just the difference in cuisine in general as a racial stereotype.
people of colour are stereotypically famous for making good food
The stereotype I always saw was just KFC, watermelon and some purple drink. Maybe it was a bit more aggressive stereotype than what you had in mind
You aren’t invited to the cookout
I’ll just order it to-go
White => English
All whole people from anywhere else is proud of their food
as both Juneteenth and the 4th of July are American holidays, I referred to American stereotypes about Americans
Independence day == shitty
Junteenth == based
It’s dumb.
I assumed it was: “typical black family Mac and cheese” (baked, delicious)
“typical average American Mac and cheese” (not baked, more saucy, delicious)
4th of July is only better for me because I don’t get Juneteenth off even though I work in a school. Fucked it is!
Same, I don’t understand how schools can weasel their way out of federal holidays so easily lol.
Shouldn’t you be out for summer break by now?
My kids finished today. A couple towns over finished last week. I don’t know how they decide this shit.
Just in time for the days to start getting shorter.
Mac and cheese casserole is almost always inferior to the cheese sauce variety. The best versions meet in the middle, but I absolutely hate that eggy cheese quiche shit.
Macaroni amd cheese is nothing but kmart Carbonara.
If my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike
If wishes were horses, then you’d be able to use a metaphor properly.
Not every joke is a homerun, but if you don’t roll the dice, you’ll never get a bullseye
Why are we comparing two unrelated holidays like this
You realize that you’re talking about southern food right? As in not exclusively black?
This. OP probably has an antifa flag and speaks on behalf of Black America.
And he’s anglo as anglo can be.
Southern food is great because Southern white people have a different set of culinary influences than northern white people. I don’t know what that influence might be, but it must’ve been huge.
French, Scottish, native American, and west African.
Apt user name 😂
I fisted your dad.
My wife is white southern and is passionate about black culture Mac n cheese
Liar liar pants on fire. This is not a, “black culture mac n cheese”. This is straight up southern style mac n’ cheese.
Uh… wut? I’m from the west coast but since I’m military and met my wife on the south
Does she have a cast iron skillet that she only uses for corn bread?
Man there’s Canadians that have that.
Truth, I’m Scottish and have that. But… The cornbread made in it is always savoury. Never sweet.
This is true for US southerners. Man they HATE sweet cornbread.
Really varies on where you go and who you talk to. It’s not a universal thing.
That’s because it’s trash.
That’s weird… Living in the South for half of my life, every place, including grocery stores, sells some deliciously sweet ass corn bread. But in California, Washington, Oregon, even Michigan? Nope… it’s just slightly sweet and a different texture.
There really is something to that, the non stick surface you can get if you never introduce acid or meat. Used mayonnaise to season a dutch oven and fry pan over time after seeing what mayonnaise slathered bread used to make grilled cheese sandwiches did over time to a flat top. The dutch ovens for rye bread, skillet for corn.
All you’re doing is comparing southern style mac n cheese vs basic everyday fast mac n cheese. It’s not even a race thing…
Yeah I don’t understand what the point of this post is. Maybe they just like Juneteenth better as a holiday?
I cannot speak to macaroni pie directly, but you’d be surprised by how many things considered Southern are straight out of Africa for reasons that should be obvious.
That may be true, but I’m only talking about Southern style mac n’ cheese.
I like flaming Hot Cheetos pasta
The Hague would like to know your location.
Oh baby
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Is that a real thing or a joke I’m too European to get?
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Where can I get this if it’s real?
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Where can I just get Flamin’ Hot Cheetos? Because they don’t sell the damn thing in my country :(
Yours sincerely,
flaming anus enjoyer
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Jesus christ kill this one with fire
Is this the origin story for Flamin’ Hot Mac and Cheese?
Mmmm, cheese leather…
What if cheese, but it was brittle and sharp?
Umm, yummy tbh, but that sounds a few steps beyond leathery. I don’t usually associate “brittle” and “sharp” with “leather”. “Chewy” totally. “Tough”, maybe.
Aaaaaaaah
I don’t get Juneteenth but I didn’t have to, it doesn’t affect me. Although personally I think the name is weird - it’s definitely grammatically incorrect. But whatever, y’all have fun. I like Mac’n’cheese though.
It’s a celebration of freedom? What’s there to get?
It’s just the “Nine” in nineteenth (a word that only has long vowels) replaced with June. June 19th turned into a single word. It specifically celebrates the day slavery was abolished in Texas.
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That is a good point. I guess they should deal with the holiday like Halloween or Christmas, celebrate it when everyone else does.
My only gripe is I can never remember the number, and there are several teenths. I’m bad with dates. July 4th is idiot proof.
Both of those look disgusting. And I like Mac n Cheese.
Cheesy Mac ( the microwave shit) is not Mac n cheese
Mac and cheese is all macaroni cheese pasta.
I don’t think I’ve ever eaten microwaved Mac and cheese, don’t wish to try. If that’s what those photos are, then obviously disgusting.
Damn Juneteenf sucks
As a European: why would you do that to food? Also is that even actual cheese?
Ah yes, the smug European that has no idea that macaroni and cheese originated in Italy in the 14th century, was extremely popular in England from the 18th century, and was introduced to the US via France.
And yes, it’s cheese. Probably cheddar. You start with a bechamel and incorporate cheese to make a mornay sauce. Combine the sauce with the pasta and serve.
No. Combine the sauce with pasta, put it in an oven proof dish and grate extra cheese on top. Put in the oven until the topping is browned and bubbling. Then serve. (Also, add a bit of mustard to the cheese sauce, it perks up the flavour.)
Mustard also helps emulsify the sauce
Huh, I did not know that. Thanks! I was in a discussion over lunch the other day about chemistry - one woman revealed she was a chemistry teacher, which prompted an anti-science member of the group to scoff, “What relevance does chemistry have in daily life?” I gave cooking as a prime example of chemistry - cakes rise, sauces reduce, roasts brown. And now I can emulsifying to the list!
One reason I love cooking is it’s the intersection of so many different disciplines, combined with a creative aspect. Cooking is a combination of history, biology, chemistry, physics, math, and so much more.
I agree with all points (mustard included, I tend to use a bit of a coarse ground brown), but go further: Add a little truffle oil (and I mean a little, truffle anything is kind of like mustard in the sense that too much overpowers the flavor instead of enhancing it so it should be on the quiet side of subtle) and some parmesan/similar before grating the rest of the extra cheese on top and it’s amazing. I also tend to add a bit of heavy cream and a little butter to the sauce. I don’t enjoy most macaroni and cheese mainly because people make it boring, but this is the perfect medley of umami, acidity, fat, and salt without any one flavor being too loud. As a side I usually split and roast a loaf of bread with fresh garlic and olive oil on top and roast up whatever cruciferous vegetable I have around. It’s a great comfort meal that I particularly enjoy on cold wet fall days.
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Ok I’m coming round to your place for dinner. That sounds AMAZING.
Just made some yesterday at the request of my kids. Boil the pasta and grate a bunch of cheese, mix of whatever you have, hopefully some is sharp. Pour the pasta out into a colander (actually mine was half cauliflower, also at request of the kids). Put a whole stick of butter (had 1lb dry pasta plus a lot of cauliflower) in the pot and back on medium heat. Into melted butter put flour to make a light roux. Once that is ready, add milk slowly, whisking continuously until you have a sauce like for biscuits and gravy. Then add the cheese, let it all melt, keep stirring but with wooden spoon; stir in some mustard and any other seasonings you want, then the pasta.
Into buttered dish, topping (I used bread crumbs, shredded cheese works, crushed potato chips also work, or any combination of these) bake at 400f or so until the top is golden.
So good, not healthy even with cauliflower.
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Just so many calories and simple carbs, not enough vitamins. Two of the household are bulking though, teenager and 20 year old trying to get bigger.
So I guess a better way to think about it is calorie dense, not unhealthy if your body needs that much energy.
Sounds good!
No probably with mac n cheese. Mild problem with processed cheese but if actual cheddar is used, that’s fine.
What I do have a big problem with is kraft mac n cheese mix. Got my hands on an American pack of it and it was disgusting. Tasted like I had just drenched the macaronis in weirdly sticky butter.
It really is disgusting stuff, but for those of us who grew up with it, it’s a weirdly appealing comfort food.
There was a version where the cheese came in a can and it was fucking glorious, then they discontinued it and now its a powder and its fucking terrible.
That version still exists. The cheese is in a pouch instead of a can now.
Well then they stopped bringing that version into Australia, its all shit now.
They market it as gourmet or something. If you get Velveeta shells there the sauce is in a pouch.
Ya, the Kraft version is ‘Kraft deluxe’.
Its the best cheese like substance you can get from a powder!
Don’t bother, obese lemmings will expell their fury at you for making fun of the beloved cheese slop
Go eat some plain pumpernickel if you can’t handle actual flavorful food.
