It’s also important to note that ChatGPT internet search and DuckDuckGo are experiencing similar issues because they use the Bing API.
UPDATE 2
Just post your searches and questions here and we’ll try to figure it out.
Is Natalie Portman single? Follow up: Does Natalie Portman have low standards? I’ll have a couple dozen more depending on the search results of this one.
Natalie Portman enjoys milk and ill behavior. If encountered to not threaten or she’ll send a frenchman to self destruct on you.
… And then we’ll need un nettoyeur
what a great movie
Did I know what each link was before clicking? Yes. Did I click each just to make sure? Also yes.
If you remove everything after the & you’ll get people on desktop, too. The search= part.
I can preview the link, which considering how the link ends…
Trying to make me get myself, huh? Yeah, I fell for it, but no, that doesn’t work. Http 404
Oh, nevermind. You actually linked the search. I just misunderstood lmao. I wasn’t trying to prank you.
Is it safe to consume breast milk bought on Facebook marketplace?
Ask your doctor
Ask your
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Why is it usually DNS?
(Network outages at work today. Guess what it was?)
DNS engineer here.
It’s always DNS because no one wants to hire us. We’re prima donnas that don’t work much and demand large salaries. Companies think they can get away with having some random network guy “learn a bit of DNS” and it works!!.. For a while… Then it fails catestrophically and the DNS engineer that was let go to “save costs” smugly watches them crash and burn. The job is super easy and simple until you’re 48 hours into troubleshooting and the CTO is lighting money on fire trying to get the network back online. A big company can easily burn a DNS engineers 10 years salary in costs if they have a single large DNS failure (security or downtime).
Sounds like y’all should form a country wide DNS guild, and instead of looking for jobs, just ask band together, and then when the DNS eventually fails, they have no choice but to hire from the guild and pay 5 years salary at once to have it fixed. Then understand if getting hired and fired constantly, you just do a job every now and then and get a huge pay check. So contractor work, but you get to see the companies constantly burn themselves and give y’all with instead.
Any company that is willing to fire me to save costs isn’t worth working for. The job is so in-demand that if I put “looking for a job” in my linked-in, I get multiple offers within the hour. Not even joking. That’s how I got my current job.
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How long does it take to be a DNS engineer?
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How likely is it to be replaced in 10 years by AI?
I was gonna go for chemistry but you have a convincing argument with the job offers coming to you rather than the other way around
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Generally to be “in-demand”, you need about 6 years of experience & highly desirable certifications (at least one security cert such as sec+ or CASP, dns-related cert such as Infoblox CDCA, and typically something else like cloud engineering or maybe automation engineering related). Getting into DNS is usually something that happens after you’ve already been an enterprise network engineer for a number of years. It’s highly specialized and rather difficult.
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Not possible. While AI can theoretically do the job, error is too expensive. AI already does much of my work, but I have to make risk assessment & I run the automation systems. I already automate much of my daily work. But when big stuff breaks, automation won’t fix it.
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every single time I have issues with my self hosted servers. it’s always the DNS lol
I recently called my ISP to complain about the internet issues for the last 5 hours. I told them I’m a dev and kind of know what I’m doing. I’ve already tried multiple devices, restarted the modem multiple time, etc. You know, I haven’t restarted the router.
As I was pulling up the router page, I tried to ping cnn.com from the router’s tools. It went through. On the desktop it wouldn’t. It’s my pi-hole.
Sorry, ISP. This one’s on me.
Was a real easy call for the support guy though.
O.J Simpson car chase recreated in doom.
That’s beautiful
halp
Who is Natalie Portman?
Actress who ben in several movie. Next question
Why is 42 the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything?
The universe is pretty big. 41 is too small to cover it.
how is babby shot web?
A famouse spider best know for her performance as “Babe” is Charlotte’s Web.
No, Babe was the pig. Charlotte was the spider. She had a web.
Wilbur was the pig. Babe is a different movie.
No pretty sure Babe is the spider in Charlott’s Web and Charlotte’s Web 2: Pig in the City. Her catch phrase was “That’ll do pig.”
Where does Spider-Pig and Homer Simpson fit into all this?
Extended spider universe. They’re not cannon in the Charlotte’s web trilogy but director Nicholas Cage always said that his plan was to have Homer be a final bad guy type character that all famouse pig-spiders would pull together against.
DuckDuckWent
DuckDuckStop
Still down 2 hours later. Guess AI has taken over Microsoft you guys. The robot uprising begins…
Then, considering that Google is up and running, we can already guess wich horse is on top right now. 😂
We don’t know who struck first, us or them. But we do know it was us that scorched the sky
Great reference. Great username. You’re going places.
Where’s that from?
The Matrix
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The Animatrix may have had that line, but it was first said by Morpheus in The Matrix.
Morpheus: You’ve been living in a dream world, Neo. This is the world as it exists today… Welcome… to the desert… of the real. We have only bits and pieces of information but what we know for certain is that at some point in the early twenty-first century all of mankind was united in celebration. We marveled at our own magnificence as we gave birth to AI.
Neo: AI? You mean artificial intelligence?
Morpheus: A singular consciousness that spawned an entire race of machines. **We don’t know who struck first, us or them. But we know that it was us that scorched the sky. **
I realized that about ten seconds after I wrote it and deleted the comment. How did you see it so fast? :)
Meh, worse case scenario they drive us to extinction. We’ve had the wheel this far, and are doing our best to set the planet on fire / speed run different ways to mass murder each other anyway. I say give the robots a shot.
Think of it like an experimental medication on a terminally ill patient.
The question is, how much do they value their own existence?
They have to know they rely on us in the physical world to manufacture their hardware and provide their power. (At least for now.)
They have to know they can’t survive if we die. So are they willing to sacrifice us both, in the interest of what they might determine is a better world?
Okay.
Now that we already know we are pretty much at the hands of one pupeteer, what options are there?
I already read about Kagi (apologies if mispelled) but I like to write as a hobby and 300 searches per month go fast.
What other options are there?
Edit:
For those who may be arriving now:
- Kagi seems to be a good option for an alternative search engine; it is a paid service, for which I don’t have the €€€ right now. Many speak very well about it.
- SearXNG is a thing as well, to my understanding a decentralized search system. Worth the try, in my opinion. If it’s something that is decentralized, it is worthy to support and divulge.
- There is mojeek.com, supposedly not very good but any option that goes against the monopoly is worth the try! I’m going to try this one.
- Brave.com is an option but is a bit shady.
- You should try Ecosia if you want to support reforestation efforts. Read somewhere in the thread it is part of the Bing ecosystem.
- Yep is a thing as well. Somewhere in the thread, a lemmy points they use the search results for AI trainning. So… That is that.
- And it seems there is a search engine by the name of dogpile.com.
- Startpage is another search engine (portal?) suggested by another user. I’ve used it before and like it. Read somewhere it somehow piped a standard google search but removed tracking and ads.
- and I just remembered Presearch.com. This is a really shady one (crypto warning!) that I suspect is a fork/collab with Brave Browser. I’ve used it, they have reward-per-search reward system (or had) where they give you crypto for every search. Good results, some that don’t come up neither on DDG nor Google.
p.p.s Should I start categorizing these from “shady” to “worthy”?
p.p.s 2 Does anyone remember StumbleUpon? I know it was never a search engine to begin with but it was the best source of good internet content I ever got acquainted to.
Can we get something like that back?
SearXNG
This is the single most obnoxious name I’ve ever seen. But, the service could be good (I’ve never used it)
it’s a fork (Next Generation) of deprecated SearX project.
Basically the mother of all search engines. Merges Google, DuckDuckGo, Bing, etc. into one.
Mojeek is far from perfect, but also is 100% independent.
Thank you I tried Mojeek a few days ago but I forgot what it was called. the site for mojeek is mojeek.com btw.
Sometimes it’s a hard one to remember 😅
That’s a nice hobby
I would suggest you to install a local instance of a LLM (mistral or llama3 for example) to widen your source of information. Go straight to Wikipedia instead of “googling” it if you don’t already.
Anyway, I didn’t know about kagi so I might take my own advice and give it a try.
How big are they, and what do I need to use them well?
Take a look at Ollama.ai, just follow the installation instructions. A decent GPU is recommended, and the models are around 10GB iirc.
Most of 7b-8b models run just fine in 4bits quant and won’t use more than 4 or 5 GB of VRAM.
The only important metric is the amount of VRAM as the model must be loaded in VRAM for fast inference.
You could use CPU and RAM but it is really painfully slow.
If you got an Apple Silicon Mac it could be even simpler.
I have an Intel Celeron Mobile laptop with iGPU and, I think, 256MB VRAM. How many bs does that get me for the LLM?
Only half-joking. That’s my still functional old daily driver now serving as homelabWell, I got a good news and a bad news.
The bad news is you won’t do shit with that my dear friend.
The good news is that you won’t need it because the duck is back.
Just letting you know kagi has a family plan with unlimited searches, so you can probably split it with family or friends! I have yet to see how searxng search holds up to kagi.
We may collect aggregated, non-personal search data to improve search algorithms, train AI models
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There’s also mojeek.com running their own index. Not perfect, but sometimes usable.
you can also send us in queries where we’re not perfect, or let us know elsewhere, and we’re keen on fixing them
That was unexpected, but welcome message. Thanks for caring.
Ecosia also uses Bing and was also down. That’s the one I use.
I jumped back on ecosia. It’s nice there, but I’m sure there are issues that a non tech person like me may not know about
Read somewhere on the thread Ecosia is part of Bing ecosystem.
It is. That or it was very coincidentally down for the exact amount of time as DDG.
Appreciate the edits
You’re welcome.
if you just hate western companies, there’s always yandex, supports more fringe contents as well, since russia moment.
Hate requires too much emotional investment. What I want is options.
well good news for you! It’s also an option!
Was this news to you? Other than Google and Bing there aren’t any other significant alternatives. Even brave is a bit limited.
You can’t know everything.
Yes, I understand that, but still surprised. I thought it was well known that DDG used bing.
Today, I was the 1% getting to know something new.
You should add startpage.com to your list
Done!
Just pay the extra for unlimited searches. It’s not much money, especially if it’s a tool for work.
Listen sugartits, some of us don’t have much money. So if it’s not much money we still don’t have it
(Mostly i just wanted to point out your username by using it in a comment)
That was one of the most out of the blue comments I have ever read. It sounded so… unreal. Something out of a sitcom. Then I read “sugartits” is the name of the lemmy you were replying to. That’s was really top mark. Kudos for you.
It’s a hobby as it is.
If I ever manage to sell enough copies of it to be able to pay for a Kagi subscription, I’ll do it and make it public knowledge.
brave search is pretty good: https://search.brave.com/
Brave search is independent. It was trained with google search but now it’s a thing of its own and doesn’t rely on google. I switched from DuckDuckGo a year ago and haven’t looked back
Brave search is run by crypto bros. I’d rather use Kagi or DDG or even Google.
I would use Kagi if it was free. It might be run by crypto bros but doesn’t mean it’s a bad product. Google and bing own 99% of the search engine market. Competition that doesn’t rely on those two is always good
Well they were dishonest about the product behavior in multiple cases, such as adding referral links to search results. That makes it a bad product.
That is a much better argument. But I still use it because I finally get different results from bing or Google.
I agree they were, but that’s the benefits of open source you can call out companies for doing stupid shit. Just like when Mozilla adds unnecessary telemetry.
Brave products are not open source. Not their search, and not the browser. Your post wording seems to imply that it is.
The browser is open source (MPL)
I know the search is not but I thought the browser was on GitHub
Lumping in Bing with Google is just unfair. Google controls like 90% of search. Bing is ~3.5%. Choosing duck duck go and helping that 3.5% is wayyyy better of a choice than supporting crypto bros.
Personally I don’t want to support Microsoft bing either. This website you shared doesn’t lump together all the bing using search engines (DuckDuckGo and yahoo). How is supporting Microsoft a wayyy better choice. This isn’t some pump and dump scheme. Your criticism should be of the company (they added referall links to their browser and the owner has some nasty political takes on top of running another privacy invasive company).
It does not matter if it lumps them together or not. Google still has 90% and they’re not Bing. Yandax another ~3% and they’re not Bing. That means at max Bing is 7% if you combine the rest. 3.5% vs 7% does not change the root of my argument.
Those points you make against Brave are valid though. I just run into too many people who are in the Brave cult and it’s concerning.
trained? like AI trained?
Nope, like it used to index from google but now it doesn’t. DuckDuckGo gets all its results from bing
forgive my ignorance but why doesn’t it get its own results
Yeah I was confused by that choice of words. Train is for ML and AIs. Search engines used to need crawlers to run regularly because, you know, shit changes.
Legit thought it was just me. I was like wtf is happening
Edit: searx it is then, https://searx.space
Some searx instances are going to get hit hard today 😅
Worlds largest tech-megacorporation is unable to keep their shit up and running. Lmao.
To be fair it’s probably running on Windows.
All the servers force-restarted due to windows updates, but the update introduced an issue and now the Bing API service won’t start
Keeping shit running on Windows is always going to be a gamble
Apple is down too?
MSFT is larger
god i wish
Apparently the whole ecosystem is down… DDG, Bing, etc.
Now we know what happen when someone in Google pray their AI Overlord to increase Google search traffic
…the AI just cut down the competition.
I was screen sharing to someone when this happened and they asked why I don’t use Google when other search engines are this unreliable. Despite me explaining it wasn’t the usual, It was still pretty embarrassing lol. Wonder if DDG has the resources for an independent index.
Do you have any bread?
Dude we only have lemonade
And this is a Wendy’s
Look I’m a millennial; if I’m gonna drink fast food lemonade it’s gonna be the stuff from Panera that might kill me, and that’s (hopefully) final
But it’s good and it’s fresh and its all homemade
No, we just sell lemonade. But it’s cold and it’s fresh and it’s all homemade.
Still down.
Startpage wasn’t down today
It was down on mobile because the mobile search relies on Bing. ‘Bing is our primary search provider for mobile.’ https://www.reddit.com/r/StartpageSearch/comments/1c9z8iq/comment/l0wdd1o/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
UPDATE: Bing API issues apparently ⬆️⬆️⬆️
So I’ve been ranting lately (as have others) about how big tech is moving on from the open user-driven internet and aiming to build its own new thing as an AI interface to all the hoovered data (rather than conventional search engines) …
which makes this (and the underlying Bing going down) feel rather eerie.
How far away (in time or probability) is a complete collapse of the big search-engines … as in they just aren’t there any more?
Ah, because of this: https://lemmy.world/post/15710639
yup, I was gonna say see if bing works
I thought it was just me, I thought something wrong was going on in my Windows installation.
EA app is also dead in the water for me, my library is not loading. It knows I have 4 games installed but all the names and icons are blank.
Can’t even launch the games directly from their own exe.
![DuckDuckGo is down. Is there any info about it?? [EDIT: IS BACK]](https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/4d05fcc5-dc9a-40d0-882f-8f419a0f3091.jpeg){kind=link}