I’m not a marketing person but maybe they should try making an OS people actually want.
They do this every 4-5 years. Nobody is ever bothered enough to cause a problem for Microsoft’s bottom line.
I don’t remember anyone being excited for a version of Windows since 7. 8 and 8.1 were universally hated, a lot of people clung to 7 until they absolutely had to upgrade to 10, and now they’re clinging to 10 as long as they can. I seriously doubt there’s an upcoming release of Windows people will genuinely like and want, because there’s no money in doing that.
Yeah, but even before that…people were only excited about 7 because of how much of a dumpster fire Vista was. And prior to XP (which Vista replaced), most people didn’t care about OS versions at all.
I was excited for 10. I had 8 on my college laptop
They do. It’s called Windows 10 LTSC.
Why would they do that when people use this one all the same?
Got to say they convinced me at last and I finally upgraded.
…to linuxNever.Going.Back.
Yep. The other day it rewrote a registry key that prevented these pop ups. I’m out. Debating which Debian distro to go to now.
I tried a few, Fedora, LMDE(Linux Mint Debian Edition), and EndeavourOS.
I’d say LMDE if you want a rock solid system, being fundamentally Debian Stable with Mint treatment for user friendliness, or Endeavour if you want bleeding edge updates (and of course bragging rights to join the meme by saying “BTW I use arch”)
Debian is the slow reliable. Go with mint for easy, Debian for completely foss, pop! OS for eaay nvidia drivers, or Ubuntu for… Uh… Ubuntu.
Ubuntu is good for if you want Snap packages forced on you. It is a shame, Ubuntu was my first distro, but I don’t think I would ever use it again.
I recommend OpenSuse Tumbleweed if you want stuff to be very up to date (we got the xz backdoor first! yay!) but also easy and stable. And KDE Plasma is pretty good these days. Linux Mint is also good but it’s a bit slower with the updates.
Debian 12 itself isn’t bad
I like Mint
The other day it rewrote a registry key that prevented these pop ups.
This is what drove me away. There are like 7 people that figured out how to make these pop-ups disappear and Microsoft invested money to “patch” that “error” to ensure they were forced to continue seeing these ads.
I like mint. Everyone says it beginner friendly, like in a bad way, but stuff just working sounds good to me.
Yea I installed it for my wife and she never has to second guess anything, she knows where to find what she’s looking for and whatever it is, it just works. It’s weird that this feels almost off, right ? stuff “just working”
I have to give huge thank you to Valve for making gaming on Linux actually a valid option. I’ve been mainly a Linux user since 2006 but always had to have a dual-boot setup for gaming. Seeing the progress on Proton, I decided a year or two ago that Windows 10 was going to be the last one I’ll have on my PC and since my SSD died a couple of months ago, I didn’t even bother to preserve the Win10 installation anymore.
Funnily enough on my front page, the next link below this post was “Microsoft starts testing ads in the Windows 11 Start Menu”. I think that pretty much sums it up why I don’t want to even try to mess with the thing anymore. It’s been a good run and Windows has improved A LOT since XP days but oh dear god all the data harvesting nowadays…
“We tried asking. We tried begging. We tried bullying. We even tried tricking people into upgrading. We tried everything short of actually making a usable OS!”
I understand how it is possible for an OS to interrupt one’s use of one’s own computer to beg for money or to install spyware. I don’t understand how such an OS would still have users.
If I didn’t have to use it for work, and if Ableton Live made a Linux version, I’d never use Windows again. Every single activity is interrupted by messages that are effectively adverts for things you’re not interested in. The Start menu still doesn’t work after 29 years of development. Searching for a file is ridiculously slow and doesn’t find the file. Everything else is also slow, all the time. I have given up trying to arrange my desktop icons because they always go back to the same position they’ve been stuck in for months. All the applications hang, and the whole system has frequent unresponsive moments where God knows what it’s doing but it’s nothing I asked for. I dual boot into Linux and it feels like an oasis of peace.
Oh yeah, sorry, didn’t mean to rag on people that have to work with it. I think we’re all frustrated that it’s still so pervasive even though it gets worse every year.
Check out “everything” for windows, it finds files, all files, instantly. And it’s free.
If I worked at Microsoft, on windows, I’d be so ashamed I wouldn’t tell.
I use Everything. It is a thousand times more useful than Windows’s file search, even though it only indexes filenames, not file contents.
“Please people, please… just give us your money. We might leave you alone after that. For a while.”
Surely more AI will fix it!
If only they didn’t intentionally give up compatibility with 250 million PCs by introducing artificial CPU requirements, then adoption rate would be higher…
But blackrock and vanguard (they control ~15% of Microsoft, Intel, AMD) really needed to increase their profits by selling more CPUs…
Also it didn’t help that until October 2023 the taskbar was completely broken and unusable, people like me forbid the installation of the os in the company for that reason alone
the taskbar still broken and unusable.
icons straight up disappear when you switch virtual desktops using the touchpad, tray icons sometimes don’t show up, messing with some things can cause an explorer crashOn my end, the icons disappearing happens sometimes when switching with the keyboard. Also, I happen to use full labels on the taskbar items (like on 95 to vista) and they’re all sorts of broken, especially when changing virtual desktops.
Also, despite having quite beefy hardware (Ryzen 9 + 4090), I can’t use an image as wallpaper (only a solid colour) otherwise changing virtual desktops has like a inexplicable 1 second lag after pressing the shortcut keys.
This is the kinda shit people would give up on Linux for.
This is what finally pushed me fully over the edge to Linux on my main PC. Nothing wrong with it but they just don’t like it.
I don’t mind upgrading but windows won’t allow me… MacOS looks not bad. Or linux
What do you mean by the taskbar being unusable? I used it on my windows 11 laptop way before october 2023.
Combined icons make the computer unusable for who has multiple windows open from the same application.
For example if you constantly have to switch between 5 excel files you can’t directly click on which you need
It’s the reason I can’t stand MacOS at all
Sure, that’s not ideal, but it’s far from unusable. I’ve used the combined icons since windows 10 wqs released and never had any issues. It works fine for me.
You still can’t make it narrow or move it to the sides of the screen either. It sucks at work at 1080p because the taskbar takes up half the screen it’s so massive.
Yeah, maybe a few delusional shit heads making insane decisions for absurd reasons completely insulated from reality by a thousand layers of abstraction isnt good and we should just count anything run this way as already dead?
Are they spamming people with this on computers they know don’t meet system requirements?
You better believe they are. I get it about every other month, and my laptop doesn’t meet those requirements.
I turned off secure boot and didn’t get any popups for windows 11 ever
You might at some point, you don’t actually need secure boot turned on for Windows 11 your PC just needs to be capable of secure boot and use UEFI mode rather than legacy boot
Well that isn’t good. I hope I can get by with Linux
Can Microsoft be any more annoying?
I had to laugh when I searched for “Vivaldi” in Edge on a new installation and Bing said “There’s no reason to switch to a new browser!”
There are tons of reasons. Their insistence that there are no reasons is a good example of a reason.
How about when you have to update your machine and it goes through the “setup” which is just disguised ads for services like microsoft 365? That’s pretty annoying.
Microsoft has 18 months to convince folks to upgrade.
They’ll be lucky if I boot my Windows 10 partition between now and 18 months.
I almost did the other day. But then I found out that someone made a Flatpak of MakeMKV, so I didn’t need to.
I see Linux in my future, as I just don’t have the cash for a new rig.
I have to be careful though, as it’s my family PC, and the rest of my family aren’t going to tolerate much of a learning curve. It really needs to just work out of the box.
Considering Zorin OS. Hopefully I can get it on my SSD next to Windows so I can dual-boot for a while to test the water…
Go with Pop! Pop! Is a great OS and has pretty much everything working right out of the box. Go with Gnome so that people understand they need to do things slightly different rather than trying to use a Linux machine like a Windows machine. Plus Gnome is just awesome. Hit the windows key, type the first couple letters of the program you want to open, hit enter, done! The Pop shop has almost everything an average user would need, so you can install things with the click of a button without having to search the Internet, and updates are a hands off affair.
Edit: since you’re not a Linux user I’ll clarify Gnome. Gnome is a desktop environment, and Pop is the actual operating system. In Linux you can change how your computer interface looks and works by choosing different desktop environments(DE). A variation of Gnome is the default DE for Pop, and it works great. KDE would be the DE most similar to Windows, but it has enough differences that it can frustrate Windows users. Gnome is completely different, so they’ll take the time to figure something out rather than just getting frustrated that it’s different. Besides, the learning curve on Gnome is basically zero. Just use the Windows key and start typing. It’s literally that simple.
I’ll counter that when I tried gnome it was so far it was frustrating while KDE took some adjustment but it worked like a de was supposed to work in my brain. And gnome wasn’t as easily customizable as kde
Yeah, no recommendation will work for everyone. My advice was just based on observation of new Linux users and the challenges I see them complaining about. I’m glad you found something that works for you.
Oh absolutely, I just wanted to share because some people will see that and think “if gnome is easier and I hated it then I shouldn’t bother with KDE”. Nah if you don’t like gnome try KDE or cinnamon. Everyone is different, that’s why there are multiple major des.
You’d be better off installing Linux on another drive if you’re going to dual boot. Windows loves to mess with the EFI boot partition which ends up borking the Linux bootloader.
If your family does more than just browse the web, there’s definitely going to be a bit of a learning curve, it’s possible though. I converted my 73 year old father to Linux after he used Windows for 25 years.
If you install the Linux bootloader on a separate partition from the Windows bootloader, then it’s trivial to repair it, but that might be a bit advanced for a basic user.
Ah really? I could put it on the hard drive, but the whole point of the SSD was for it to take the OS… Will have to think on that.
They generally don’t do more than browse the web so I’m not anticipating any major issues. I used to game on it, but it’s so old now I’ve stopped using it for games.
Maybe I’ll put it on a usb for a while instead of dual booting.
I meant installing Linux itself on another drive, but having the EFI System Partition on another drive could work theoretically.
Go with Mint rather than Zorin.
They could convince me to update by making windows 11 not suck.
By reworking windows 7 to work with new hardware
God I’d cry if I could get windows 7 supported again
You could probably install linux bare metal on your computer, and daily drive windows 7 in a vm. Good luck getting compatible software anymore, but if you can, create an image and you are set for the foreseeable future
Actually not a bad idea. A lot of games I play actually run better on 7 than on 10.
Or I could reskin mint to be Windows Aero
Every pop up just convinced me to switch to Linux lol
Same. My next build will be Linux. Just distro shopping right now.
Haha felt that. I jumped from distro to distro constantly then finally settled in fedora after trying it a 2nd time
They have been doing this for at least a year now. They have one that tries to trick you into thinking that it was already updated and you have to finish setting it up. It takes several clicks on tiny hidden buttons to escape it. There’s no option to tell it to fuck off forever. They’ll pester you again a couple weeks later.
dark design or fraud design should be fineable.
Dark patterns were outlawed years ago, but the FTC has to enforce it. My guess is that Microsoft either designed it in such a way that it barely meets the requirements, or they figured it won’t matter because even if they get caught, the fine will be less than their savings/profit.
I took the free upgrade. Then after a bit I updated my bios and it killed my license. Microsoft wouldn’t fix it and said I changed my hardware so there was nothing they could do. Still pissed off about that.
Wow that’s fucking annoying Jesus
There’s a mass grave way to get a new digital license from Microsoft 😉
Btw when I changed my motherboard and Windows deactivated, I called them and told them “it broke, then I replaced only the motherboard” (actually was an hardware upgrade) and they give the the phone activation codes. But that was during the Win7 era
I think now that I’ve moved most of my photo editing to my Mac and steam has propelled gaming on Linux into ‘very reasonable’ territory, it might be time to actually just ditch the ol’ windows. Only issue is I have an nvidia gpu atm unforch.
I’ve fully moved to Linux with a 3080ti. Only non functional feature is HDR but that’s mostly a Linux issue
I went with PopOs and have had a pretty smooth experience
vrr and tpm passkeys are also missing which is a bummer since i recently started using both and already used to them
Only issue is I have an nvidia gpu atm unforch.
Not an issue, been gaming with a 2080ti and 4090 for a while now, just works for me, including in VR on “Windows only” games.
Edit : link to a (strange) thread with a bit more detail https://lemmy.ml/comment/10195095 but the TL;DR being that NVIDIA drivers do work and ProtonDB literally “changed the game” during those very last years.
At least in the EU until now no such PopUps, but it’s hilarious, that I can’t update to W11 in a 3 years old Laptop, at least not without cheats, only because my Graphic Card, AMD Radeon with 2+1 GB isn’t in the MS list, not for other reasons.
I’m in the EU and yesterday I booted in Windows 10 and I got one :(
At least not in my, maybe I’ve gut Windows from all telemetries, notifications (except for updates) and other crap and services. If the Pop Ups persists, install the Optimizer (FOSS), which can help you to give it a kick in the ass.
Thanks!
Installed Zorin OS the same day I got the full-screen prompt.
The latest Zorin is slick. Love it.
What’s new? This has been going on since the launch of W11.
