Finally, a version that rhymes.
Wine is not an emulniner?
Finally, native Wayland support! Looking forward to when proton is updated with this. Good job to all the developers!
Ooo, native Wayland support, now only about half my software will be running through xwayland once Proton is updated as well.
Dont hold your breath. It’s just initial support. It’s still opt-in and I can’t see Valve using it with Proton by default unless they start supporting native Wayland clients in Gamescope
Wine nine you say? 🧐
They should have code-named this release “Brooklyn”.
WINE NINE!
Sorry if this is a dumb question, I’m still very new to Linux. I have Wine 8 installed, currently just to run one application for one of my games. Should I bother to update to 9 if my current setup is working? I’m still adjusting to the FOSS environment and haven’t quite figured out whether or not I should always update to the latest and greatest just because I can.
A lot of the time the version of wine will cause issues with the application, so if you have something working, stick with it.
It would be worthwhile to look into a wine prefix manager like lutris or bottles for gaming. Regular apps can benefit also, but I am not up to speed on anything not for gaming.
Thanks for the advice! The application I’m using in Wine is Elite Dangerous Market Connector, nota game itself but a small helper app for the Elite Dangerous game. According to the git page, you can get it running from source with Python, but I wasn’t quite skilled enough to get that working.
As far as my actual games go, those seem to all run fine through Steam/Heroic Games Launcher with Proton GE edition, which as I understand it incorporates Wine somehow…? I’m not sure of the specifics, but I assumed Wine in that context would get updated with Proton eventually.
As a heads up, EDMC runs natively on Linux well, or at least it did the last time I used it. See https://github.com/EDCD/EDMarketConnector/wiki/Installation-&-Setup#linux-with-steam-play
Since you’ve got it running in wine just fine, I personally wouldn’t change anything, but if you have issues in the future, you can try that.
Right, those are the instructions I tried to follow, but had issues in the “running from source” process. I did eventually get it running, but I’d get errors and nothing would work once I tried to start adding the plugins I wanted.
There appears to be a flatpak for edmc, maybe that would be easier than using wine?
Ah, nifty. I may check that out then. Thanks!
The fact that I don’t have to deal with lib32-gst-plugins-ugly/bad/ect is amazing, but I’ll have to keep 32 bit libraries for Team Fortress 2 and other online Source games.
Should I not be playing the native Linux version? Or am I just an idiot who doesn’t understand how the game works?
Pretty sure TF2’s VAC only works on the Linux version, otherwise it kicks you out when you try to join a match.
🎉🎉🎉
Yet another major release that fails do support basic Win32 APIs available since Windows 95 properly.
🎉🎉🎉
It’s a miracle we have wine at all, reverse engineering an entire operating system isn’t easy. Be grateful for what we have (which is already enough to run a ton of software really well)
Still ReactOS performs better in basic Win32 APIs… makes no sense.
Hasn’t ReactOS been accused of using code that was not reverse-engineered multiple times? If they became too big MS would probably just sue them.
From what I’ve heard they used some assembly code directly for very low level functions.
As if the Windows XP source code wasn’t leaked already…
That’s…not a legal excuse.
In fact that’;s an open and shut end to a project if you’re caught doing it.
As long as you don’t copy code…
If you want some APIs implemented, make a feature request; you understand what you want
Unrelated but everytime you end a sentence with an ellipsis I imagine someone’s nerdy youtube rantsona with their arms crossed and a sly grin
reverse engineering an entire operating system isn’t easy
Have you noticed the the NT / Windows XP source code was leaked years ago. There’s isn’t much of a need to “reverse engineering”, it’s just about reading their implementation and providing an alternative implementation that doesn’t copy code…
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Lol.
Imagine shooting yourselves in the foot like this.
Guess that rule was in place because some people would look at it and proceed to copy it. The rule should be “if you copy code from Microsoft you’ll be kicked from the project and the code removed”. While I see why this is place and what it protect the project from this is also a very big roadblock to the project’s evolution and a clear example of what’s wrong with it and why we still have compatibility issues.
That’s a lot of words to emphasize you don’t understand copyright law
Succinctly.
If only there were ways to subvert copyright law…
Well, since it’s so easy, go do it.
it’s just about reading their implementation and providing an alternative implementation that doesn’t copy code…
That sounds difficult though. Didn’t companies have to set up ethics walls to protect against lawsuits for things like that?
Didn’t companies have to set up ethics walls to protect against lawsuits for things like that?
What are you talking about? There’s copyright infringement that when you copy the leaked Windows source code into something like Wine or ReactOS and then there’s reading it to understand what Microsoft did and coming up with an alternative implementation that will provide a compatible API for programs to use. There’s no “gray zone” or ethical BS - it’s either copied or not.
What are you talking about?
Ah the term I was looking for was “clean room”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_room_design
See the bit about examples and IBM. While you could probably look, the easiest way to defend against a giant tech company’s legal team is to do the clean room setup
Instead of leaving snide comments like this, you can use your head to open up an IDE, implement the features you want, and make a pull request. Keep it to yourself
Oh no, how dare he have higher standards!
Sorry, I missed the part where you submitted an MR
Ask for a refund
Too bad time isn’t refundable. Free software is only free if you don’t factor in the time you spend making it work.
Wow, you’re the most entitled user of free software I’ve met in a while. Just buy a windows license next time.
Since when is having standards being ‘entitled’?
Just because something is free doesn’t mean it has to be janky.
Well at least I’m not here perpetuating the delusion that desktop Linux desktop is as user-friendly and productive for every use-case as Windows and macOS are. If one lives in a bubble and doesn’t to collaborate with others then native Linux apps might work and might even deliver a decent workflow. Once collaboration with Windows/Mac users is required then it’s game over – the “alternatives” aren’t just up to it.
Windows licenses are cheap and things work out of the box. Software runs fine, all vendors support whatever you’re trying to do and you’re productive from day zero. Sure, there are annoyances from time to time, but they’re way fewer and simpler to deal with than the hoops you’ve to go through to get a minimal and viable/productive Linux desktop experience.
It all comes down to a question of how much time (days? months?) you want to spend fixing things on Linux that simply work out of the box under Windows for a minimal fee. Buy a Windows license and spend the time you would’ve spent dealing with Linux issues doing your actual job and you’ll, most likely, get a better ROI.
Just buy a windows license next time.
Here’s the thing, I can get a legit Windows license by various means. I don’t need to go into microsoft.com and get it for 300$, a second hand windows machine with an old i5 CPU will sell for 50$ and that includes a valid Windows license. Computers selling on retail stores also include a Windows license, students can get them for free etc. what else?
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@TCB13 @lemmy_user_838586 he really wanted to say that to someone
Oh yes, I value and like Linux a LOT… just not for desktop as it doesn’t deliver as everyone says it does. To be fair I believe that only someone who values Linux as much as I do would be comfortable to criticize what’s wrong with it.
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You’re doing something worse, complaining about something that no one really does. The average Linux user doesn’t want the average computer user to install Arch Linux. Stop spamming this garbage.
So true.
“available”
Cool, where’s the code?
Which one? Am curious since I worked with the winapi for a long time.
No one ever promised infinite compatibility forever. It’s most certainly NOT a microshit product.
