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Thousands of purveyors of neo-Nazi tunes just had their day ruined by a crew of enterprising Scandinavian anti-fascists.
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In the Spirit of Musk‘s and other fascist‘s idea of free speech, here is the searchable database: https://midgard.antifa.se/register/
Oh wow it has room for social insurance numbers now that’s what I call doxxing
Seems like it’s being hugged to death at the moment.
They should offer a JSON download of the thing so it can spread far and wide and we all won’t have to go on the website…
*JSON torrent, it ensures nobody is spreading modified/redacted copies, is hard to take down, and prevents a hug of death.
Dang. Already needs a mirror. Won’t load after only a few hours.
Thank you.
I love that some of these idiots used their work email addresses. I wonder if Full Care landscaping out of Louisville, Kentucky cares that their VP of Operations is a neo-nazi?
Their customers might! Though it is Kentucky…
It might get them more customers.
“Show a swastika and enjoy 15% off your purchase.”
Go find out
Of course they do, why do you think they made him VP?
Ha, good!
Man, far right websites all seem to have shit infosec as a common thread along with racism and other assorted bigotry.
There’s actually a simple explanation for that. Much like the “conservative/christian entertainment” industry the alt-tech movement is primarily composed of failures and hacks who couldn’t cut it in the mainstream field.
It’s also because right-wing extremism goes unpunished while left-wing extremism gets you shot in the head.
Exploit that and out then as the shit-stains they are.
All websites have shit infosec. It’s not a problem confined to the far right.
I found another one by posting this to Facebook
“Just because you listen to them doesn’t make you a neo nazi! Free speech is dead!”
- HitlerFan1488 with a roman statue avatar
There are legitimately people here arguing that just because you don’t understand the language, you probably aren’t a fascist for liking clearly fascist music that you have to work hard to find, especially if you don’t natively speak the language.
Maybe they just vibe with hate and the fascist imagery is a comforting reminder of their favorite message boards? Just because the only music you listen too is made for Nazis doesn’t make you a Nazi. You being a Nazi means you enjoy Nazi music. Not exactly causation but nearly a one to one correlation. I don’t know what I meant by this. I started with a joke and now I’m just arguing logic semantics. This is a mess. I’m sorry, hitting post anyway though.
Hahaha, I gotchu. On an individual basis, it’s totally possible that a Japanese person may genuinely stumble upon it and like it purely for the tunes. At an aggregate, it becomes increasingly obvious that there are tendencies that lead people out of traditionally popular Japanese music and into obscure northern European Nazi music.
Come back after you type “Finnish metal” into youtube search bar, find a pretty good melodic powermetal song. It’s stuck in your head for days, so you download an entire album. You start to hum along as you listen, but it’s not enough. You find the lyrics in a language you never have spoken before, so you learn it phonetically. You share your discovery with friends and family. It’s fun AND educational! But that’s not enough, you often wonder what it all means, so one day as you listen, you open a new tab, type in “Terasbetoni - Orjatar, translated lyrics” to find…
This
Slave woman
Hard was the work in the midst of woods, Wearing the axe and play on the shoulders, heart burning with desire, Yearning will make you go through the snow, Knowledge of what shall become keeps you strong!
Slave woman! Obey my quest, Know your place! Slave woman! Work my will, And you shall be rewarded! Divinely rewarded!
There shall be battles in the fields of death. On stake is the life in disastrous times! Man with an ardor shall get what he deserves, So please and serve, or he shall punish you!
Slave woman! Obey my quest, Know your place! Slave woman! Work my will, And you shall be rewarded! Divinely rewarded!
Slave woman! Come to me, And work your magic! Slave woman! Heed my words, For that is your law!
Slave woman! Obey my quest, Know your place! Slave woman! Work my will, And you shall be rewarded! Divinely rewarded!
Individually? Possible, totally. In aggregate? It’s not a secret that Japan has an uncomfortably large fascist subculture. Putting 2 and 2 together as an aggregate makes sense.
Of course, I wouldn’t go up and assume a random Japanese person listening to fascist northern European metal is necessarily a fascist, but if they also had the rising sun flag of Imperial Japan on their car, or hanging in their room? Absolutely.
Totally. The subtlety is, thankfully, not a virtue most fascists are known for.
Now, this band were a parody of 80’s Manowar. They are as far from nazis as you can go…
Manowar had that one song titled ‘Pleasure slave’, if memory serves. No idea if it was a serious song or not. Those were some weird times for music.
And had the the best bands :)
First you just Luke the music, soon you’re hanging out with other fans, and suddenly you discover one day that you have become a #nazi.
I was listening to a podcast that suggested the main reason the Nazis wanted to kill Jews is because they felt that the rise of Christianity, originating among the Jews, was what weakened the Roman Empire and caused it to crumble.
For their own empire, modeled along Roman lines, they didn’t want the same thing to happen.
Hitler hated Christianity for its worship of meekness, weakness, a dead man, etc, but used it very well politically. Nazi leadership ranged from full on Christians to pagan weirdos. Jews were associated with Bolshevism, and their hard antibolshevim especially appealed to people who had emigrated to the Weimar Republic during the Russian revolution. Communism and unions were the first targets and how they wedged themselves in to power in the first place. Hitlers first major political victory was the concordat with the Roman Catholic church, promising freedom of religion. In the late 30s Catholic pulpits were ordered to recite a condemnation of Hitler for betraying the concordat. The Nazis implemented a Christian denomination and sent pastors and priests who didn’t comply (many did of course) to the camps. One of these was the famous poet who wrote the “first they came” poem, at first a Hitler supporter who recanted when it was too late, like many of them.
They had all kinds of weird views about Aryans, a very fluid and subjective category in practice, and the history of Aryans. There were archeologists tasked with digging up the magnificent history of the Aryan race etc. Some people like Japanese were honorary Aryans etc. Down to weird specific traits of people based on the false premise of race being a real thing.
ehh… I see a lot of ‘the nazis were pagan not christian’ apologism; their belt buckles say otherwise. the vast majorities were church going christians who had wildly varying records on which sects participated in persecution but overall none stepped up to stop the state’s genocide, so like catholics, they can protest but I’m not convinced.
Replace Jewish people with like Templars or something and I’d read this trashy historical fiction
This was sort of my reaction after seeing this again while looking for something new on Lemmy:
Just because you listen to rap about drugs and murder doesn’t mean you actually do drugs and murder. Nor does it necessarily mean the artist does, it could be their persona.
But I also know nothing of the band or their music, so idk whether anyone that listened to them would automatically be a hardcore Neo-Nazi or just an eccentric metalhead. Just like I don’t know rap, so I myself can’t pass judgement and it just feels weird to see others do so, I guess I can assume they are more informed than myself.
This is the kind of doxxing I can get behind.
Nazis deserve no rights.
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Music is an extremely important part of my life but there isn’t a single band that would make me give money to neo-nazis.
I don’t know why everyone is so eager to absolve them. If they have something to say in their defense, they can say it themselves.
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No. There’s no plausible deniability here. These bands’ whole gimmick is that they’re Nazis. It’s not some catchy tune you randomly heard on the radio. There is nothing subtle about it. It’s racist songs with racist lyrics. You would have to seek it out to listen to this garbage.
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Well I don’t live in Japan so I’m not worried about that. Also, tons of Japanese people speak English.
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This might surprise you, but Japan has very close ties with fascism. Ever seen the Japanese flag with the rays coming from the center red sun? That’s the flag of Imperial Japan, a fascist terror that scarred much of Asia. Japan refuses to denounce their war crimes, and there are an unfortunate number of reactionary fascists who use the flag of Imperial Japan as a symbol they support.
I’m absolutely not saying that every Japanese person is a fascist, not even close. I am, however, saying that I’m fairly confident that these particular Japanese fans are aware of the Nazi ideology of the bands they listen to, and listen precisely because of that.
You are defending the indefensible, would you give the benefit of the doubt to a p*do ring too? They are fucking Nazis, have been open about this for three decades they sell Nazi paraphernalia, they host Nazism bands. You accidentally listening to Celine Dion once doesn’t compare.
People are indeed becoming unhinged with all this misplaced tolerance: fascists need to be dealt with straight away, we have so many examples in history about what happens when you hive them the benefit of the doubt. I can’t believe this site’s been up since the 90s.
I’ve listened to songs with suicidal lyrics, I’m not suicidal
A song with “suicidal lyrics” is not even remotely comparable to the albums this site sells, which is why they don’t need a dedicated pro-suicide website to sell them on.
Would you rush to defend an album put out by ISIS, that pushed the agenda of ISIS, with all profits going to ISIS?
It’s getting exhausting seeing people become increasingly unhinged and justifying it because “well, they’re baddies.”
Then maybe you should explain your exhaustion to the group responsible for their overwhelming majority of mass shootings, who openly celebrate the killing of black and LGBT+ people, rather than someone you’ve decided isn’t appropriately sad that neo-nazis got exposed for doing a thing they did.
Liberals on their way to defend literal nazis.
I certainly wouldn’t listen to Neo-Nazi music no matter how nice the tunes are, because I personally couldn’t stand supporting literal fucking Nazis and listening to Nazi bullshit.
It’s not like the Nazis are the only ones making music, there are countless good, leftist bands out there. There aren’t slim pickings, there are oceans of good music out there.
Benefit of the doubt is a huge deal. It’s entirely possible to enjoy music and have NO idea of the message, themes, content, etc. source: Pumped Up Kicks.
Edit to add: Iced Earth. Really fun power metal band. Loved a ton of their stuff, and then found out the bands lead was arrested at the jan. 6 riot. That stuff doesn’t really bleed into their music, and I was avoiding them for a while because of it, but at the end of the day, the music is good, and that’s why we listen to music.
Pumped Up Kicks is explicit satire, not an actual call for school shootings.
Let me ask this: what makes more sense, a random, specifically Japanese group of people, enjoys northern European Neo-Nazi music for the tunes? Or, perhaps, the fact that Japan has legitimate fascist movements, and historical ties to fascism without heavily denouncing them like Germany, means fascists are likely to search out more fascist music?
I understand your point, but it’s incredibly hard to just randomly stumble upon fascist music and enjoy it for the vibes. This is a specific level of dedication in a country with higher than normal levels of support for fascism.
So, you advocate against human rights? Denying rights and dehumanizing according to people’s ideas is pretty nazi.
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The paradox of tolerance is about absolute/unlimited tolerance. One can set limits on tolerance and respect the human rights of the intolerant, it’s not mutually exclusive.
Btw, the combination of “X people don’t deserve human rights” and “those who don’t support taking rights away from X are equal to X” is especially atrocious.
I don’t believe that extends to denying them their basic human rights, though.
That depends on how much of the social contract a group is willing to break.
We benefit from knowing just how far nazis are willing to go to further their beliefs. And their efforts should be resisted in kind.
If people break the law, we restrict their freedom. Many seem to oppose that idea nowadays, or at least claim to. There’s a certain irony in that. But yes, if an individual breaks the social contract in a manner deemed “against the law”, then certain rights are removed from them.
The tolerance paradox is bullshit. Source: Daryl Davis, the black dude who converted a ton (like over 80) KKK members by just being a tolerant human to them.
You have to tolerate the person, not the message. You can say “you’re a valid human being” and “the stuff that comes out of your mouth is actually terrible” at the same time. Doing anything else pushes all of those valid humans with bad ideas together and makes a big echo chamber.
He didn’t say we should just say gas them to death (like they’d do to some of us in a heartbeat), he just pointed out they deserve no right to be aggressive against minorities.
I see no issue there. If they want to be decent citizens there’s an easy solution to that; stop being a nazi.
Edit: I otherwise agree with your comment, as they probably need some deprogramming to actually achieve said solution.
“they’d do that to us in a heartbeat” is both wrong (not every person who entertains these ideas actually wants to kill anyone) and also not even a good point. If you want to improve the world noticeably, you have to be BETTER THAN not the same as. Go talk to a nazi, actually understand what they think and feel, and figure out where that disconnect is.
So you’re saying for example a woman gets brought up in an environment where she’s raised as a nazi you think that it’d be acceptable for someone to rape and beat her?
I don’t really think you do, I’m not going to bother listing other examples but you get the point - what you’re saying is not only absurd but it’s clearly not what you actually believe.
All people are people, it’s that simple and there’s no more to it.
No, I was saying Nazis have a history of death and destruction, while people leaning towards democracy tend to be a little more gentle with their fellow man.
Nobody deserves to be beaten or raped and I certainly didn’t imply that.
You literally said they should have no rights, I get that you hadn’t thought about what you were saying but I really think it’s important to think about the implications of things we say.
I’d link that clip everyone always uses about the law Vs satan but it’s overused, surfice to sau dehumanising humans isn’t a thing good people do - and yes I know it’s popular to at the moment but when I was a kid everyone thought calling things gay as an insult was a great thing and we as a society grew from that so we can grow from this.
The first sentence you posted is exactly the thread that line of thought leads down. Disenfranchised people need to be talked to, met with empathy from the people they’ve been told are The Other. That’s the only way to destigmatize the two from each other.
Ohhh yeah. I see where you’re confused.
Nazis aren’t people.
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Maybe all of these people were just buying gifts for their neonazi friends and family
AFA Sweden stands för Antifascistiskt Aktion, or Antifascist Action. Not Stockholm based as they claim, there are many groups.
Great job in leaning Midgard, they also regularly doxx Swedish Nazis on their main website.
Correction: The name of the Stockholm-based group is AFA Sweden, not AFA Stockholm.
They noticed :)
Have fun doxing your local Nazi
Scary. The one I found from my city is a medical doctor with a good reputation. Fucking Nazis hiding good.
Fucking yikes, imagine if that were your doctor
Just found six people in my city. Now how I’m spending my day now.
The one from my home town wound up in prison for 4th degree arson. Burned down his own house by accident.
Second guy I’m looking up has already been doxed by some racist-metal site bitching that he was selling pirated copies of their CDs on eBay.
Good to remember the enemy of your enemy isn’t always your friend. Sometimes it’s best to sit back and enjoy their self destructive little happenings
The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy. Nothing more and nothing less.
What are the legal implications of doxxing a person here? I can think of a few people I’d like to slap on that list, but it doesn’t seem risk free for me.
Fucking with nazis is never risk free, but not fucking with them is much riskier
I found two from my city. Kind of sickening to know that these creatures are in my vicinity
A few in my small city but can’t find anything about them
Woot! Naming and shaming is great!
The only good nazi is a dead nazi. Gotta love how tech illiterate fascists are.
Shhh, Don’t let them in on the secret.
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And then when they came for you… joking no one intolerant enough to come for someone else was left.
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When they didn’t come for neo-nazis, neo-nazis came for you.
I don’t know shit about this band/this type of music… is it actually the kind of music that only Nazis would listen to?
Like, if someone leaked a Pantera fan list, I guess I wouldn’t be on the wagon to ruin all their lives, even though Pantera is pretty well known for racism, shouting White Power and Nazi sautes n shit.
if you didn’t know about Pantera
This makes me incredibly sad.
Edit: seriously tho. I never wanted to believe the band members were racist or anything. The song Rise was always my go to to show people how inclusive they wanted to be. “Taught when we’re young to hate one another, it’s time to have a new reign of power. Make pride universal so no one gives in, turn out backs on those who oppose”
I always thought that song especially was saying “we must not hate one another. We must all be proud of who we are and turn our backs on those who continue to hate.” I may need to do some deeper thinking about it all. I have not listened to them in many years. Dimebag dying legit hurt.
Such a fucking shame learning about great music being made by terrible folks. Sooooo many rockers with controversy, be it racism, underage groupie fucking, or otherwise.
Thankfully there’s no shortage of really talented people making awesome music these days. May need to dig around a bit, but my Spotify is an absolute labyrinth of more tunes than I can possibly get through. I’ve had to make annual playlists for every sub genre I’m into just to attempt to keep my archive manageable.
Yep. Lot of bands you’d like to support, to buy their music, later find out they are damn bigots, nazis, whatever asswipes you can find. Especially in the metal scene. Makes me sad
Extreme music is made by extreme people
Damn it. Why did you have to make me aware of this? :/ I love Pantera.
You think you have problems?!
I used to be a big Lostprophets fan… 😭
If you don’t know about this one already, do yourself a favor and don’t Google it.
Sounds like a call for googling
huge mistake
The new No-Hire list just dropped.
