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Ooooh how dare you? Dontyaknow Birdie from Phoronix is struggling to run a window manager from 1983 on a ATi Rage II with Wayland???!?!??
It’s here on Lemmy, too.
I was down to like -50 on a thread about an X11 vulnerability and all I wrote was, “Imagine still running X.”
I’d downvote that comment too. It adds nothing to the discussion and is deliberately confrontative and superficial.
I really think some of the Linux crowd on Lemmy are way too sensitive and liberal with downvoting. That’s a perfectly fine comment to make. I imagine a friend saying that to me in real life and obviously it’s just an inoffensive joke/jab that shouldn’t be taken at face value.
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So, as it’s been stated, Wayland is still not universally better than X. There are still bugs in places. Gaming is still an issue. Kwin’s implementation still isn’t complete enough to be reliably introduced as the default.
This is after years and years of work. Yes, making an entirely new display protocol is hard. However Wayland was introduced as the “eventual X replacement” when I was in high school. I’m 30 now. I’ve heard some variation of “Wayland is almost ready” since my senior year of college.
At some point it becomes exhausting. At this point when someone says something along the lines of “in a year or two, Wayland will reach a point where X.org will be a thing of the past” my immediate reaction is to call bullshit.
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My only issue with it currently is global hot keys. Push-to-talk on discord only seem to work when a xwayland window is in focus.
The API exists, just waiting for things to catch up.
In the meantime (how many years did it take Discord to update their electron to a not-quite-as-ancient version the last time?), one thing I’d like to see here would be the option to allow listening to global keypresses for certain apps. Yes, that makes security slightly worse I guess but I’d rather have all the other benefits of Wayland working for me while this one isn’t working yet.
If you use arch, there is
discord_arch_electronwhich can build with the latest electronI use WebCord though
I’m also annoyed with the global key issue, but for Discord, I just set a key to mute my mic system wide.
This is a hack at best and might even get you banned.
My sticking point with Discord in particular is that, at the moment, it’s allergic to file drag and drop under Wayland. If I want to drag and drop a file attachment, I have to open the file explorer dialog and drag onto that.
This is more of a Discord being sluggish to update problem than a Wayland being unstable problem, but it’s still extremely irritating.
What Remote Desktop tool works for you in Wayland? Found none Working well on Wayland (Maybe I did something wrong when I tried VNC and RDP)
The only time I RDP is to my Windows machine for gaming and I’ve had great success with Remmina
Oh, yea, was thinking the other way around: I want my GNOME session streamed to an iPad, that I can use on the couch. (OpenSuse tumbleweed)
Yeah, can’t help you there. I use Firefox tab sync to send browser sessions to other machines so I don’t feel the need to RDP into anything to keep a train of thought going.
I see, of course for browsing the web, I would still use a local browser on the iPad. I would use the remotes session for learning different linux/coding things, where SSH is not enough, while I’m not gone in the bureau for several hours but sharing the evening with the family.
This has been my first struggle with Wayland. Used to be able to enable remote desktop with a single check box in most distros, then VNC into it from a Windows PC no problem. It’s a real hassle now and glitchy at best once it’s up and going. I gave up and have been using Anydesk to remote access a machine, and even that wasn’t simple to get going.
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Quite glad to see Mint looking forward, good on them.
I was perfectly confident that the Mint team would get around to Wayland support, when it was good and ready. By the time they get it implemented and set as the default, it’ll work great.
I like the careful approach. Yes, it’s going to take longer. But when it finally arrives, it’ll work.
Perfect for their overall philosophy.
It was always just a matter of time. A LOT of time in the case of anything wayland related apparently.
It’s gonna get replaced by the next thing before it’s even ready.
I often reread stuff while imagining I’m someone with no knowledge of the topic, the title of this post is a good example of how hilarious things become.
What’s to get? Linux’s mint candy made a deal with rapper waylo to put cinnamon into their new flavour of linux
Ah thanks now I get it
This is important when windows inevitably dies (subscription-based Windows 12?!) and linux mint gets flooded. Better have the “new” thing from the start
As long as there is software that only runs on Windows, Windows won’t die.
Can someone explain to me what Wayland is? I don’t fully understand I read wikis on it but I’m still new to a lot of this
The way for your desktop to communicate with the hardware.
It used to be X11 - A server-client architecture, which meant your desktop was effectively just a client that told the server what to do. The server was the one doing the drawing
Wayland is just a protocol, defining how programs and desktop should communicate with each other - without a middleman that was X11 server. The desktop does the actual drawing here.
Software that displays programs on screen. X11 goes way back and is inefficient. Wayland is the new standard but is seeing regular improvement and updates. I know Fedora have already moved to Wayland. I think Ubuntu have now too. Mint going this direction is good news.
TLDR, software that displays apps on screen. X11 is old and awkward. Wayland is new and better but has been slowly becoming standard.
Yesss let’s go.
I can finally die in peace.
Anyone know where the sources for this are? I can’t find many references to Wayland in the main Cinnamon repo, at least using GitHub’s search.
I wanted to check if they use wlroots for this or are writing yet another compositor from scratch.
yet another compositor from scratch
it’s a good thing to have multiple implementations of compositors. that avoids bad practices or making compositor specific programs that wouldn’t work with other compositors.
Cinnamon uses Muffin, which is a fork of GNOME’s Mutter: https://github.com/linuxmint/muffin
