5.0.1: Before using the website, remember you will be interacting with actual, real people and communities. Lemmy.World is not a place for you to attack other groups of people. Every one of our users has a right to browse and interact with the website and all of its contents free of treatment such as harassment, bullying, violation of privacy or threats of violence.
In my opinion this is actually better than the CoC. The only thing “missing” is the definition of which qualities you shouldn’t discriminate against. But that’s now generalized into “groups of people”.
I still can’t discriminate against people based on any qualification. Hell, I technically can’t discriminate against “pineapple on pizza eaters”.
I love some pineapple pizza!
Some day we will eradicate your kind
By my reading of it, you can still discriminate against pineapple pizza eaters, or any other group whatsoever, you just can’t harass, bully, violate their privacy or threaten them with violence. Which is fine by me, if someone wants to make a community only for ginger haired people and ban anyone they think isn’t naturally ginger, that’s their perogative.
That was my takeaway, too, and I think it’s positive. The nice thing is, if it turns out that the policy fosters behavior that’s bad for the broader community, they can change it.
Of course we would, and that’s also exactly why we invited users to discuss and provide feedback while launching it. It is a living document, and we hope to update and improve it periodically and consistently.
Some people have given you guys a lot of flack, but I really think you’re making a thoughtful, good faith effort to do things right, and I think you’re doing well. There have been a couple things that I thought were the wrong decision, but (1) they’ve been relatively minor, and (2) they’ve been reasonable even if I might have chosen differently. I very much appreciate the thought that goes into running this place.
Thank you. I appreciate your sincere response, and I can assure you the rest of our team will too. Differences in decisions may naturally occur, of course, but I think being able to reason things is what matters in the end. Here’s wishing you a great one.
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As it is worded you can’t discriminate against nazis and racists either.
I think you can’t read it too literally. Otherwise you also can’t discriminate against “people who wrote their comment later” and so you can never stop reading the comments for fear of discriminating between “early comment writers” and “late comment writers”.
Literal is the only way these things are supposed to be read.
They could easily fix it by saying “groups (except for those that promote discrimination and/or hate such as nazis and racists)”
I just replied this to another commenter, but that’s a bad faith argument. The ToS also says to not engage in illegal activity. The admonishment of Nazi’s and Racists is an admonishment of illegal evil.
Uh, the US has vetoed multiple attempts by the UN to condemn the glorification of Nazis. I hate to break it to you, but Nazis and racists are not illegal.
…can’t discriminate against “pineapple on pizza eaters”
True ;)
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Kebab meat and pineapple, thin crust. I will fight to the death for that
OP completely ignoring 5.0.1
Well they banned me for saying I don’t like ads and called it harassment. They have no idea what they are doing and are not fit to be admins of anything.
Seriously, this is the least of its problems, but it certainly hints at them: https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/554307/Just-wanted-a-warning-Lemmy-World-is-perhaps-worse-than-reddit
Basically, they don’t even follow the examples they set in their Terms of Service and will not only ban but purge your entire comment account on a whim because they didn’t like the criticism they said they were open to on a post stating that “users may express their questions, concerns, requests and issues regarding the Terms of Service, and content moderation in Lemmy.World.” There’s no doubt, they were pretty clear they considered the criticism “disagreeing with the terms of service”.
Create your user on another instance and save yourself the surprise of encountering admins who abuse their power on a whim. That can be your entire account history down the drain, and the number of comments or the age of the account won’t matter to them.
This is exactly what I experienced when I was part of their top moderator and ban discussion discord channels. They would regularly ban people for little to no reason and then laugh about it and then realize they need to come up with reasons after the fact. This is also how they deal with defederation. They had defederated an instance more than once prior to having any concrete reasons to do so. They operate on gut feeling and disregard their own rules and ToS on the regular.
Not even Reddit is so unprofessional.
Yeah, I’m really getting the feeling they are just trying to bury it and ignore it. I was having trouble accessing the modlog, but when I was able to, they seemed to have gone through the effort to eliminate a lot of the entries, which included my account purge, ban, and ban reason. They still haven’t even bothered to answer the ticket I put up on tickets.mastodon.world, maybe I’ll add a screenshot to that later to show the ticket status and the time it has spent as unanswered. No admin has replied to me directly, and the closest I’ve seen any admin reply on the issue is to criticize the kbin.social instance as reliable because of the criticism they get on them.
The real problem is this is being done in bad faith, and if that’s their core drive, then the only thing they’ll do in the future is make-up better sounding excuses to cover their asses.
Isn’t the modlog federated to all instances and impossible to delete?
I’m not sure what’s up, but entries have certainly been removed. This was then: https://web.archive.org/web/20231019235547/https://lemmy.world/modlog
This was a more recent IWM archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20231021224842/https://lemmy.world/modlog
Search for “HEISENBERG” in both and then read back through to the most recent to get an idea of how different they are. Some bans are showing up, some aren’t, a lot of them aren’t even there.
I’m no expert, but modlog isn’t exactly the same across all instances. I think actions like a user getting banned in their home instance do get propagated to the other modlogs, since my ban got propagated to lemmy.ml’s moglog, but this user’s ban in lemmy.world wasn’t.
I haven’t touched the lemmy code, but seeing what’s mentioned over at https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2349 , the modlog seems to be just a combination of database tables that are normally maintained server side but, just like in any other database, can be edited manually.
Only trust the modlog as much as you trust the server you are reading it on.
I shouldn’t be surprised that the primary motivating factor of administrators and power mods is to have and abuse power of users. Lemmy just feels like a failed experiment at this point.
The only thing left here is unoriginal memes. Which can be amusing, but I don’t think it is enough for Lemmy to survive on long term.
Still, just because an experiment doesn’t have the ideal results doesn’t mean it doesn’t get us closer. Unfortunately, if people are going to trust the server with the best marketing instead looking into issues like this, it pretty much makes it impossible to move on because bad faith actors who are best at lying and cutthroat tactics will be the ones to prevail over people questioning what you are telling them without reading the mountains of evidence you are using to back your claims.
The rot definitely seems too close to the core with lemmy.
Well I still think it is a bit odd that you can’t really explain why canthidium left your team. It’s obvious there is more to this that you try to deflect from answering by going on about how everyone or everything else is the problem but you. And from canthidium’s comments back then it looks like he just didn’t want to deal with you anymore and that seems credible. Canthidium has some cooking related communities and they seem very chill.
And tell me, which of the defederation decisions didn’t you agree with?
He left because he was sick and said he was going to be in the hospital and wouldn’t have time. That is what he told me. That is a pretty gross thing to joke about if he is lying. We had little to know interaction outside of discussing what posts to make for what shows and only over a few days.
Feel free to ask them to provide every single private or public discord message I’ve ever made to them. I’m sure they would likely try to hide it as it would only make them look foolish at best and terrible at worse. They are not good people.
You can believe whatever it is you need to believe, but there is no way for you to convince me that I myself have done wrong when I know for a fact I have not.
It should be telling that they are the ones that try to hide things.
Interesting you only have a problem with this after you got kicked out. Certainly no reason it could be exaggerated or straight up untrue. 🤔
Even his co-moderator from his sciencefiction community called him toxic. I’m sure there’s more to this
Have you asked the admins/mods of lemmy.world about this before posting this?
Of course not, haha. Just some intentional misinterpretation.
Literally Reddit 2.0, but with a
FOSS coat of paint.Lmao, what a shithole.
Even after moving here FROM Reddit, I can’t stand the Redditors here
Hexbear makes for a very nice chill place, although myself I like lemmygrad and have stuck with them for quite a while.
Lemmygrad is good only if you are an outright pinko.
Lol that’s a very subtle strikethrough
;)
Voat 2.0
Redditors gonna Reddit
What were the old rules?
The worst part about lemmy world is that all the tech discussions seemed to have moved there. Granted a lot of them are people who dont RTFM but still its not a good consolidation of discussion.
Ok but
Got dayum.
I feel like I’ve made the right choice to stick with Kbin.
Oh yes, Kbin is a nice Lemmy UI
🫠
I mean, it may not look as sleek, but it feels more familiar to me as a snoo refugee. Plus the particular instance I’m on seems to be relatively drama free.
Have you seen Https://old.lemmy.world ?
Oh wow, that looks good. I’ll still happily remain where I am though.
The new rules also say you’re not allowed to report content for things that aren’t a violation of the terms of service. So if you report a content for being racist, that’s against the rules.
My fault guys, he is using one of my cooking bowls for his cereal
Well this is some bullshit. I’m out.
It’s absolutely a bullshit take from OP
