How is you experience using them ? (I know BlueSky is invite only, but perhaps someone got lucky) I registered in Mastodon recently and i’m getting the same feeling(and problems) when started using lemmy.
Ultimately, it’s important to remember that BlueSky is a for-profit business, like Twitter, like reddit. I urge everyone to avoid it where possible, just like I would go back in time and urge people not to make Twitter a thing.
They will inevitably go down a similar path. Even in the best case hypothetical scenario, they are still beholden to the interests of shareholders and advertisers. They have to make money from you, or from rich companies, to survive. Mastodon instances, on the other hand, are scalable enough that they can sustain themselves off self-funding or donations. Just like Lemmy, they don’t have an intrinsic motivation to throw in ads, or to get you addicted to scrolling and arguing, or to censor communities that offend their sponsors.
It’s no co-incidence that you’re feeling some similarities between Lemmy and Mastodon, in fact Mastodon users can actually post here! ‘Fediverse’ programs all use the same language (protocol) to communicate and so some are able to interact. I’ve had a Lemmy<->Mastodon conversation before. Admittedly it’s not ideal to do that everyday, because of the obvious difference in formats, but having the ability to do that can be useful, especially if one service has a community that yours doesn’t.
Mastodon has more of a community feel to me, whereas Bluesky feels like the traditional “shout into a void” like Twitter is.
Agree
I use both and much prefer Mastodon. As others have said, it’s more mature and the apps (of which there are many) are more polished. Bluesky is a bit glitchy and less feature rich. In fact, you still can’t mute phrases on Bluesky, which is a deal breaker for me.
Mastodon is harder to find people due to the federated nature, although some mobile apps such as Megalodon on Android and Ice Cubes on iOS do pull follower and following lists from remote instances which makes it easier to find people.
Bluesky is more like old Twitter, and many people who I’ve followed for years are on there. Trying to out quip each other. Mastodon is more friendly and I’ve found lots of interesting people to follow.
Use mastodon. After all the crap that has happened recently only a fool would still use a centralized social network.
Now that I’ve had the chance to try both (thanks to fisco@lemmy.ml), I can say that Mastadon seems more familiar to me as a former Twitter user. Despite being a Twitter spinoff, Bluesky seems to be trying to reinvent the flow of things. I’m not quite sure how hashtags (or their equivalent) work there.
I’m not sure which is better yet, as I’m too new to Bluesky to really form an opinion, but those are my initial impressions.
I’d like to see the National Weather Service and local government agencies start posting to one or both though, as weather and traffic are the only reasons I look at Twitter anymore, and I’d prefer not to support it at all.
Bluesky doesn’t have hashtags, but the algorithmic feeds are supposed to pick up on keywords that it deems relevant to the feed you’re subscribed to.
The problem with that is you will often get posts which are nothing to do with the topic of the feed, but they use a word which the algorithm thinks is relevant. I was subscribed to a general Gaming feed, and I would often see posts about Donald Trump, just because someone used the word “game” or “playing” in the post.
Another silly one was in a PlayStation feed, where I kept seeing posts from sex workers selling their content on a site called Clips4Sale. Because the URL has “ps4” written in the middle of it, it was added to the feed. 🤷
That sounds rife for “Manufacturing Consent” possibility. Like how the platform owners can just decide what you want to see like that. Yuck…
I’m not sure if that’s really how the US propaganda model works (that is, the one defined in Manufacturing Consent). It’s an element of it, you’re right about that, but I think ultimately the issue is that they’re a for-profit information platform. And, as a result of that and the system we’re in, they’re affected by at least four of the five filters of bias that the authors proposed:
- They’re filtered by the investor demands to censor.
- They’re filtered by advertising demands to censor.
- They’re vulnerable to mass-media flak against their reputation.
- They’re vulnerable to anti-[flavour-of-the-month] red-scare hysteria.
Mastodon, like Lemmy, can basically ignore the first two filters, and established communities which don’t mind being smaller than mainstream are unaffected by the remaining two.
More referring to when websites pushes certain kinds of content against the will of its users. Youtube pushes right wing content. Twitter and Reddit on that crypto bs. Facebook pushes disinfo and terrorism. There’s no benefit for doing things that way, they just do it because they can.
Ah, I see what you mean. Yeah, that is a major issue.
An interesting part of it is that I’m not use how much of that is the service working as intended (even in abstract ways, like promoting interest-grabbing things) and how much is abuse of the service (basically SEO for social media posts, using botfarms to promote content, etc.). And just to be clear, it’s still a fault of the platform if it’s being abused by organized think-tanks and advertisers. Whereas in Lemmy and Mastodon, the openness and customisability would communities to adjust ‘the algorithm’ that decides which posts to promote, or just block things that are unwelcome in their community.
Having tried both, Mastodon feels more relaxed, more polished, easy to navigate, following hashtags, & pickup where you left off… Bluesky is in its infancy, & will probably get better… Have a couple of invite codes if anyone wants to check it out…
Do you happen to have any more invite codes? I’ve been wanting to check out bluesky for a while now.
None at present 🤷🏻♂️
I’m guessing you are out of codes, but just in case, I’ve been on the waiting list since I first heard of it even before the Reddit exodus…
I’d love to check it out. I’ve been on the waiting list for months.
Sent a DM 👍🏼
If you have any more invite codes, I wouldn’t mind checking it out, as well. Just signed up for the waiting list yesterday.
Sent a DM 👍🏼
100% mastodon. bluesky is not open-source, so using it to seek refuge from twitter is like jumping from one frying pan into the next.
If you like Twitter before elon musk, bluesky is the same. I didn’t like Twitter even before elon musk. It’s pretty dystopian.
I suspect that if you ask lemmy users then they will go Mastodon because we tend to go “yay federation yay” but if you surveyed the same question somewhere else you would get a different answer.
Last time I tried Twitter you still had to pay your 20c for an sms to the site to get it published, and I never tried BS or Mastodon. I did like the shortness of the sms-based microblogging platform, but it didn’t stay that way.
I was on Mastodon starting soon after Musk bought twitter, and bluesky few the last few months. Mastodon is a lot more similar to lemmy in terms of being part of the fediverse, while bluesky sort of claims to be going for a federated thing of its own but so far is pretty much just a centralized server like twitter so far. Perhaps because of that, I find bluesky a lot more engaging and more similar to pre-Musk twitter. A lot of the choices the Mastodon creators implemented were deliberately reducing virality and “one big chatroom” feel that I at least liked about twitter. I wasn’t looking for those changes, just a microblogging social network not owned by fascists.
So basically if you want something like lemmy go with Mastodon, if you want something old twitter go with bluesky.
I like the idea of being able to following a hashtag on mastodon and have it show up in my home feed. Maybe I am just doing it wrong on BlueSky, but I couldn’t figure it out. There was something with lists, but it wasn’t working like I expected.
feeds on bluesky are actually a really cool idea! form what i understand, they’re meant to replace “the algorithm”: people can write and register code to curate posts for feeds, and other people can use those same feeds to filter posts (so the algorithm can be customised per user, open source, etc: it’s a choice… heck, you can have multiple so it’s multiple choices!)
that means it’s less likely someone can manipulate “the algorithm” because there’s no single algorithm! and you can filter your feed based on anything, rather than just simple things like tags
Try Firefish. It’s federated and smoother imo
So, uh, does anybody have a bluesky invite code? I’ve been waiting forever to try it out. I would very much appreciate it :)
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There is. It’s just hard to find.
I would very much appreciate it. I know there are DMs but I’ve never used them before. Let me investigate ;)
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