“The referendum outcome means Switzerland will follow France, which banned wearing a full face veil in public in 2011. Full or partial bans on wearing face coverings in public are also in place in Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark and the Netherlands.”

  • samuraikid
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    143 years ago

    well likely because facial recognition technology they try to be the new normal we demand a ban to surveillance technology on public spaces.

    join the movement for a ban on facial recognition

    https://reclaimyourface.eu

  • @AlmaemberTheGreat@lemmy.ml
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    93 years ago

    A recent study by the University of Lucerne put the number of women in Switzerland who wear a niqab at 21 to 37, and found no evidence at all of women wearing the burqa, which women were forced to wear in Afghanistan under the Taliban.

    So it doesn’t look like a big problem. I’m more concerned about protesters not being able to stay anonymous.

    • Travis Skaalgard
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      23 years ago

      It’s 100% about protesters. Muslim women just tend to wear hijabs when not forced to wear niqab or burqa.

  • @southerntofu@lemmy.ml
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    83 years ago

    For more context to those who are not aware, France is one of the most racist nations on earth and has a long history of colonization, racial oppression, and dictating women what they or cannot wear.

    Sad to see Switzerland moving in the same direction

      • @southerntofu@lemmy.ml
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        13 years ago

        Correct! Nice to meet/hear someone critical of the french colonial empire on the Internet. Our species is growing rare ;-)

        Hope to see you around!

    • @AlmaemberTheGreat@lemmy.ml
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      33 years ago

      Nowhere in the law does it mention burqas or whatever. It bans non-medical face coverings altogether. That’s a bad thing, as it paves the way for the widespread use of facial recognition systems.

      But the law isn’t racist. It’s simply just stupid.

      • @southerntofu@lemmy.ml
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        13 years ago

        Classic talking point, thanks for bringing it up. The very same argument was precisely used by the far right in France about a decade ago. The law did not explicitly mention the burqa, however:

        • the law against wearing masks in public has only ever been applied to muslim women and protesters, never against veiled christian women (eg. nuns)
        • the law against religious signs in public administrations has only ever been applied to muslim veils, never against christian crosses or kipas (to my knowledge)

        Also, you didn’t read the article because it explicitly deconstructs your misinformed argument, stating:

        The initiative behind the referendum was launched in 2016 by the Egerkingen Committee, an association that also successfully pushed for a vote to ban the building of new minarets in 2009, and which has links to the populist rightwing Swiss People’s party.

        Campaign ads it paid for showed a woman wearing a niqab and sunglasses alongside the slogan: “Stop extremism! Yes to the veil ban.”

        So please stop normalizing racism. At least, read the article before you criticize something you have no knowledge of.

        • @AlmaemberTheGreat@lemmy.ml
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          -33 years ago
          1. Muslims aren’t a race. They are a religion. You can only be racist against a race. But I’m nitpicking here
          2. Who made the law does not matter. There is nothing specifically against muslims in the law.

          I read the entire article. I know who made it, the intent might’ve been racist but the law itself isn’t.

          • @southerntofu@lemmy.ml
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            03 years ago

            You can only be racist against a race. But I’m nitpicking here

            This is a common misunderstanding. Or don’t you consider antisemitism for instance to be a form of racism? See culture racism for more information on that.

            Who made the law does not matter. There is nothing specifically against muslims in the law.

            Doesn’t it matter when lobbies write the laws? Even when there is nothing specifically against the poor in those “social reforms” that will put millions more in poverty?

            the intent might’ve been racist but the law itself isn’t.

            Yes the law itself is very much racist, because it is intended and understood by the police and broader population as a means of racist policing. We already know from experience (eg. in France) that anti-face-cover laws are only applied against the muslim (or supposed-muslim) population. What is that kind of tyranny where the State dictates how we should dress ourselves?!

            • @AlmaemberTheGreat@lemmy.ml
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              13 years ago

              What is that kind of tyranny where the State dictates how we should dress ourselves?!

              Making some rules regarding how people dress isn’t automatically tyranny. And, do you support a (pretty misogynist) religion to tell women they will got to hell if they don’t wear certain types of clothing?

              A recent study by the University of Lucerne put the number of women in Switzerland who wear a niqab at 21 to 37, and found no evidence at all of women wearing the burqa, which women were forced to wear in Afghanistan under the Taliban.

              Another quote from the article. This law will affect 0.00043% of the population as far as muslims go.

              TBH this law feels like an anti-protester law that exploited the population’s dislike of muslims to pass.

              • @southerntofu@lemmy.ml
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                23 years ago

                Making some rules regarding how people dress isn’t automatically tyranny.

                This line is super thin.

                And, do you support a (pretty misogynist) religion to tell women they will got to hell if they don’t wear certain types of clothing?

                I don’t support any religion, but i oppose anti-religious hatred which is itself a religion. Your argument is misinformed: islam is not more or less misogynist than other religions (or lack thereof). There’s plenty of feminism and misogyny in both religious and atheist circles, yes including muslim feminists in case you’re not aware.

                Also, your argument is factually incorrect. The sacred book of the muslims does not mandate wearing a veil (though recommends it in some situations via an anecdote) and certainly doesn’t say a woman who doesn’t wear a veil should go to hell.

                This law will affect 0.00043%

                So what? Does that make it less racist? A law banning Bittorrent usage would only affect a tiny minority of Internet users, would that make it less hostile to a free Internet? The rhetoric around this law and the racist neocolonial context we bathe in is what makes the law racist: people should dress how the hell they want. No one should be forced to wear a veil (or anything else), but noone should be prevented to.

                The moral policing in France forcing women to undress is just as misogynist as the moral policing in Iran forcing women to dress. Having an abstract body (the State) controlling women’s bodies and appearances is a core aspect of misogyny. In this specific case of a referendum, it’s a tyranny of the majority over minorities.

                Also, there is a long history of colonialism using rhetoric of “progress” and “protecting women from barbarism” despite evidence of the contrary. An example of that is the mass unveiling campaigns organized by the french occupation in Algeria.

                this law feels like an anti-protester law that exploited the population’s dislike of muslims to pass.

                There’s of course a little bit of that, though personally i would argue it’s the other way around. People in power certainly fear both social struggles and minority cultures (including islam) challenging their supremacy through multiculturalism.

                I recommend you take a breathe and start with a fresh look at the situation. Try to imagine yourself back in the 1930’s, would you consider a kippa ban in the same way you do a veil ban? Antisemitism is still pretty much around, but the europe-wide target of racist discourse and conspiracy theories is now islam. Key figures around our continent are advocating and preparing for a muslim genocide as is being achieved in some countries in Asia. Despite being an atheist, i’ve chosen my side of the struggle.

                • @AlmaemberTheGreat@lemmy.ml
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                  13 years ago

                  Believe me, I’m not fond of any religion either. I’m not saying this is a good law or that it’s good. I just think that currently protesters are hurt much more by this law than muslims.

                  I do agree with you mostly, I just think that even if muslims were the target of this law they weren’t the people hurt the most by it.

                  Either way this law is very dumb.