https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/16tqihd/settings_updateschanges_to_ad_personalization/
Reddit just decided it was a good idea to REMOVE the option to disable ad personalisation. Good job u/spez. We know what you’re doing.
Time for a new influx. Everyone still on reddit needs to advertise lemmy.
And not join-lemmy.org, that’s confusing. Just pick one of the larger servers like lemm.ee or fedia.io and tell people to browse it and click “Sign Up” if they like it.
I’d recommend a smaller community to help spread the load. I originally signed up on .world but they were having some growing pains (And a disgruntled idiot ddosing them) so I moved to .ca which helped tremendously.
I really disagree. For learning lemmy for average people, big instance is best.
There is a point where people who stick around are likely to make a new “real” account on a different smaller server, after they know what they want to browse.
Basically big instances should be like training wheels.
Yeah tbh this is how I did it and I consider myself tEcH sAvVy - still started with .world because I didn’t know where else to go.
I went to iusearchlinux.fyi and came back to .world about a week ago. It seems to be doing very well now.
You need to know the special password for .ca
Is it “sorry”?
„Eh“
Dot see eh?
I’m Canadian anyway, so I have it memorized.
Hello Canadian, I’m maple syrup!
We may be related, I’m 40% maple.
I see! I’m actually 33% polar bear and 66% maple, we may be not so distant cousins!
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Don’t forget lemmy.fiftyfifty.one , ani.social, programming.dev and lemmynsfw.com
Also Canada and Germany have fairly large servers. Politely promote whatever fits the context and let people know having multiple accounts on different servers is 100% cool 😎
Neat, so they are monetising your activities on the plattform. Isn’t that great?
Corporate does corporate things.
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For-profit company exploits userbase for profit. More at 11:00.
I’m surprised you’re surprised that others are surprised… because no one is surprised about this.
Yup ads and posts on reddit are becoming even more indistinguishable, the “organic community” is just a selling point for marketing because you can embed yourself in it, basically just exploiting their users. The metrics to gauge ad performance is based on things that make the site shitty as well. Reddit, at least the big subs, haven’t been organic in this way for a long time, it’s basically a simulation of an organic online community at this point.
Why are these people still there, do they just stick around on reddit to complain about it?
Because other people are there
I think the average person is not willing to take 5 minutes to figure out how Kbin or Lemmy works.
Kbin, at least, for the end user is just as simple as reddit.
Before I left Reddit, I searched for alternatives and saw that people recommended Lemmy or Kbin. But I didn’t know what those things were. I assumed they were just Reddit clones hosted by someone else. I didn’t know that I could create an account on Kbin and interact with other posts in the Fediverse. I didn’t even know what the Fediverse was. So I was stuck with this decision of “do I try Lemmy or Kbin first?”
When I decided to try Lemmy, the first thing you need to do is sign up on an instance. People recommended beehaw.org, but that required filling out an application to join. That seems weird, since I never had to apply to read Reddit. I decided to try another instance (sh.itjust.works) but was worried that I was missing out on what people had recommended about other instances. Maybe I chose the wrong one? Maybe I should make an account on Lemmy.world instead?
It took me a little while to grasp the concept of federation and realize that it made no difference as an end user which instance I chose. I stuck with it, as did everyone reading this, but I think it’s fair to say that the average person has similar barriers to entry. We’ve overcome them, but many, many people will not.
The app situation is getting much much better. The website UI is inferior to old reddit or the apps. I know some servers support the old reddit UI but it’s not discoverable. Stuff like expanding images needs to be easier to do instead of clicking a semi-hidden 10px square each picture.
Sync and Boost are great, though I’m still not happy with the iOS apps (I like Avalon and Mlem, but I don’t live either of them, whereas the Android apps feel fantastic).
Boost is lovely and polished and you can see that tons of work has gone into it.
Tell you what though: while I was waiting for Boost, damned if the Voyager (fka wefwef) PWA came out of nowhere with (I think) some of the nicest UX of any of the contenders, plus an insane release schedule because they can just push changes whenever. Voyager is honestly what has kept me here. (…he says, posting from Boost)
True, the concept of the fediverse is probably what confuses people, it’s never explained clearly. I hope it’s growth helps spread information about it, how it works and why you want it.
you joined early on, you had to work at understanding the fediverse. now there are plenty of places that explain everything.
Hating Reddit is the usual Reddit routine, the one you may be rewarded for with Reddit’s updoots.
They should come to Lemmy to complain about Reddit, like the rest of us.
reddit has ads?
Reddit is ads.
Just want to say that every time Reddit does something shitty like this, Lemmy will get a boost. And with Lemmy constantly getting better (both community and platform), I’m willing to bet these boosts come with smaller user drop offs every time.
Which is to say, keep up the good work Reddit!
At this point (and with Sync, as I used for reddit), Lemmy is indistinguishable from my reddit browsing experience. Except on Lemmy I don’t encounter constant hostility.
I don’t encounter constant hostility.
That sounds like something one of you people would say. 🖕/s
You can fuck right off with that attitude, mate.
/s
I’m not your mate, buddy
and my axe
I’m not your buddy, dude.
There are still few very niche/local communities here that I have seen, at least active ones. But that’s only because of the much smaller user base
There are a couple of communities I miss, like r/fountainpens and r/suzukisamurai. Im sure I could figure out how to create those communities, im not sure I’d be a good mod.
- I believe you would be
- you can always get better mods to help/take over in the future.
Be the change you want to to see in the world
tbh there won’t be much to mod in niche communities. so don’t let that stop you.
You’re probably right, but I’d really hate to have to clean up a bunch of nazi shit from my nice family friendly Samurai circlejerk.
do you plan to post “nazi shit”?
Nope.
i experience some hostility on lemmy, but i haven’t noticed any bots here cruising for karma.
I’ve been lucky so far, but ever since leaving reddit I’ve been in an infinitely better mood. Sometimes reddit would bring out the worst in me as well, and I’d be short with people or needlessly confrontational. You could tell when I was in a shitty place mentally because my post history would shift from light-hearted and sentimental to easily annoyed with frequent cursing. Reddit’s algorithm really fine-tuned its way under my skin, and I found myself increasingly angry as the years went on. US political issues really got me going. I was never more irritable and mad at the world than I was over the past few years on reddit. Now all of that is just gone, and my Lemmy usage is about 20 minutes per day. I’m in a much better place.
I have gotten way more bans on lemmy so far, just for calling out tankies. Or simply enumerating the UN definition of genocide.
Lol lemmy has a Tankie problem but they’re being drowned out. They get mad because they can’t just own the libs I guess!
I think the hostility is about the same tbh, only different is this place uses the term Tankies a lot more.
That’s because there are a lot more tankies
That and the impact. The amount of communism or total and complete anti capitalism without nuance or depth, right or wrong. Reddit was very left, but not like here!
Tankies aren’t communists anyway. They’re Russian trolls, CCP shills. Those are fascist dystopias. Just mention Ukraine being invaded and they go ballistic.
The quality of posts and comments overall isn’t where Reddit was. That comes with volume, though.
Also, I haven’t found a single niche community that does what Reddit did. For instance, if I’m into a specific show, Reddit was my go to place for discussions about a new episode. Lemmy does not have that for any show I watch.
Startrek.website is alive and well
But I do see your point, from my local subreddit effectively nobody moved over, even my favorite mod who got backstabbed during the blackout stayed.
Niche comes with volume too. And really, niche is what’s important, not the broad strokes (I’d argue the boons of Lemmy are broad strokes at least). Reddit is worse for a lot of reasons, but man oh man, how can you convince someone to come over when the value is in the volume? I’m still primarily on Reddit, actively contributing to the problem.
Well you might have to block the Linux spam but otherwise I agree.
What did they do this time?
but also, with every influx it waters down the spirit of lemmy a tiny bit in exchange for more activity / content / perspectives. which generally is worth it so far, but even still i can already see some discussions on here getting worse, with shittier viewpoints i wish were quarantined in facebook
No it it also has the effect tof the people who dropped off probably won’t come back. Yah I tired it and it sucked. Lemmy blew it’s big chance. Yes it has grown but could have been bigger.
I don’t think it works that way. A free service like Lemmy can be tried multiple times. People aren’t just going to ignore something forever cause they tried it once and it sucked. People understand that software evolves over time.
You overestimate most people. “KDE is bad. Admittedly last time I tried it was 15 years ago” is a real quote that I read.
When Boost for Lemmy went live, I didn’t even hesitate to uninstall Reddit.
I stopped using Reddit the day boost went offline.
Same here
Boost for reddit still works fine
Yes, and it gives me a hilarious situation of having two Boosts side by side, and it’s a mystery which one is a reddit one and which one is a Lemmy one
Yup, I’m in the same situation
Not for all
You just need to be moderator of a sub, so just make one
Thankfully Boost came out the same week Relay went to monthly subscription only. I actually forgot I had set Boost to install automatically when the app was released.
I spent the few days before Boost was released giving the official Reddit app another shot, and remembering why I hate it so much.
Boost making it easy to sign up and get started was the final step on my path away from Reddit.
Same thing. I specifically waited for Boost for Lemmy to release in order to create an account. It feels familiar enough, so no problem.
Fuck reddit! I’m never going to contribute to that website.
What is Boost? Searching for it pulls up a bunch of different things.
Oh wow. I booted up Boost this morning as usual, scrolled for 10-15 minutes, and didn’t realize I was on Lemmy instead of Reddit until this post.
I find it fascinating that their own app can be so horrible when there are so many amazing alternatives that exist(ed)
As I removed everything from all my Reddit accounts and deleted them, except my porn account for some nieche fetishes, I don’t care. Let it die and save the porn.
Absolutely, though to be fair I trust the anonymous random people running the thousands of fediverse instances and communities far less than a legitimate, traceable company that gets third party audited and has to, at least, follow national laws.
I don’t love Reddit’s owners obviously, but yeah. When it comes to privacy, I don’t have any misconceptions about Lemmy being private in the least. Unfortunately :-(
The difference is advertising. Lemmy has no incentive to sell you out. A company like reddit will squeeze every legal penny out of your personal info and then some more illegally if they think they can get away with it.
just wait 5 years, the fediverse will either be dead or swallowed up by meta. the only two things it has to go for it is the decentralized nature and the absence of open advertisements.
So at any point a community can defederate from meta and only federate with the likeminded free communities.
That is the strength of the fediverse.
Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if fb or Reddit started their own Lemmy instances, which they would use to post ads, and have some user-transparent integration with their native platform.
But I bet a lot of instances would de-fed them like you say.
yeah, maybe, it will just keep staying under the radar and at some point someone will have to spend some cash to keep the lights on.
Unfortunately, reddit has been too long and entrenched in society to “remove” it from our browsers. It is very different from Twitter or another social network. Lemmy is a great project. I hope it works and establishes itself as a real alternative, but it still has a long way to go. Unfortunately, the Reddit/Lemmy format is resource intensive, and that’s the problem with a service like this.
It’s my simple opinion. I support any fediverso project, but reddit, today I think it is irreplaceable.
That’s very true!
Thanks to the whole blackout thing and the many amazing apps that came to Lemmy (like Sync that I’m using rn and loving), Lemmy is now good enough to replace Reddit for the new content (at least in my opinion)
But Reddit is not (or at least not only) an “what’s happening now” social network like Twitter and there is a huge amount of old content on it that can still really useful. So I guess that, in the best scenario, we’ll have Reddit and Lemmy cohexist and complement each other :)
I really hope that reddit will shut down
It won’t shut down. I see it more going the way of Yahoo - a once juggernaut that stumbles along a shell of its former self.
Not until people stop using it.
Pretty much this. As much as l love the fediverse, there’s still way too many people on reddit giving it way too much activity, especially in gaming: two of the biggest communities I’ve frequented over the course of this year are still only active on reddit.
Other platforms, like lemmy or discord, either have little to none activity on certain topics like the former, or are poorly designed and lackkng to allow its users to search for stuff properly like the latter.
These days I’m much more diverse with my Internet activity, which is good, but man I wish more people just dumped reddit, especially from the communities I needed to drop it the most.
Hell, there’s too many people on Lemmy giving reddit too much activity. I blocked a couple of bots that were literally just yanking posts from reddit. They even left the links right back to reddit giving them the actual traffic. We can do better people. If I want shitty reddit content I would just go there.
These bot posts are awful for Lemmy engagement.
People see bots posting massive amounts of content, which zero people want discuss in the comments.
There’s a couple of instances that seem to be dedicated entirely to reposting bots. Every new person who joins Lemmy either is put off by all the bot spam without users, or they have to block several dozen bots and communities to make a usable experience.
It’s no wonder it doesn’t grow any faster. I get the idea that we should take a cue from Reddit on this one, and curate a “new-user-friendly” set of default subscriptions for guests and new signups.
Or maybe defederate from nom.mom to get rid of like 75% of this nonsense.
no, it won’t, nor will xitter of facebook. it’s delusional to think multi-billion-dollar-platforms backed by big money, the content industry and several clandestine consortiums will cease operation because a single digit percentage of users decided that some hobbyist internet platforms held together by tape and a hail marry are the future. we’ll be lucky if places like this are still around in a few years.
then it wont contain the toxic users
You’re exaggerating a little bit. Reddit is more alive than alive.
Missing the whole point. Companies will not stop serving ads or selling data. Setup custom dns from somewhere like nextdns or a private pihole computer on your network. It works in windows, can get a micro pc from eBay or Amazon for <$150, then block ANYTHING you don’t like.
I don’t see ads at all anymore at home, in fact it’s jarring when a page takes 2x time to load because of ads and shit.
Get these plugins at bare minimum: Ublock origin Sponsorblock Bitwarden or similar (not LastPass) for strong password management.
Stop crying about companies and take some steps to protect yourself.
wheres the crying
i don’t know why people act like complaints aren’t valid and useful
If you’re just going to complain, then just stfu and move on. There are a number of fixes that anyone who can follow directions can implement.
If you’re complaining but doing nothing to fix it, you’re wasting your time.
That’s not going to stop Reddit from tracking your interactions with their site if you use it. They will sell your activity to whoever wants it. Updoots, posts read, subscriptions, saves - all potentially valuable data about a potential customer’s interests.
If everyone starts blocking ads, who cares where my “data” goes.
jfc do not use LastPass. They have a proven track record of shitty security practices and multiple breaches.
1password, bitwarden, keeper, even chrome but not LastPass.
We have also KeePass for a local/non-internet solution
Why not both. Protecting yourself from shitty behavior is important, but so is calling it out when you see it.
What is wrong with last pass?
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Repeatedly have data stolen and data leaks. Fuck them. Also bait and switch to a one device or pay.
The best part is, the normies are probably going to stay on read it no matter what. Meeting we can have a picture of what the internet must have been like before the endless September, now that’s a boomer ass reference if anyone ever heard one.
It will be like that, plus political posts.
Because people are addicted to spreading their political opinions like evangelists of old.
And they never think you mean them when you ask them to stop, becuse then other team is evil, and inserting their political opinions in to everything is their personality now. It’s tut only way they can get them likes.
Social media changed society and sadly, I don’t think escaping to the Fediverse can out run the political borest.
I think we will see the damage reversed, part of that is going to involve finding these places that have become the centralized forces of the internet go under. Something Twitter and Reddit are doing as they drive things off the platform
If you’re the one “remembering when”, you might be the boomer ass.
Need to replace the star with a clown, but I guess it already has a clown nose lol
I just deleted my account because I was inspired by this post this morning. I hadn’t logged in since the last drama here, so fuck them. I’m getting by just fine with Lemmy.
