Also Debian user remembering the last official release:
Speak for yourself. I hate going back to old local Pis or servers I haven’t updated in years and realize that I’m 2+ releases behind and the one I’m on is already end-of-life.
Debian is honestly goated. Like I love me a nice boring stable distro that just keeps on chugging. I have done such crazy stuff to Debian and it just refuses to care. It’s like a nokia phone that got run over by a car and still works.
It’s the same for me for my Fedora install on my laptop, I installed version 38 when I got my laptop and now it’s on version 44, next week I’ll upgrade it to 45. It’s been rock solid, never had any issues with it.
Debian is basically exactly what I want out of a daily driver. Everything is exactly where I expect it to be every time I go to use it, nothing ever breaks because of a rolling update, and it’s not like I can’t just go get the flatpack if I absolutely need the most recent features on an app.
Debian is also perfectly capable of running more bleeding edge stuff if you really wanna do it. I built niri from source on it. Works great.
Also, don’t worry, Debian has plenty of Toy Story characters left for many years of releases to come!
Running my workstation and server on Debian stable. Debian always. Debian forever.
I always looked at their pace as a feature, not a bug.
Some features are just bloat.
Debian the foundation of the modern world. Or at least we wish it was.
it is. at least in the digital world. good chance it’s running the server you are receiving my message through
Yeah, Debian is my favorite server software by a mile.
Yeah, Debian is my favorite
serversoftware by a mile.FTFY
What the fuck is a mile
Debian has become my favorite server OS. Some more specialized distros are great for specific use cases, but for 90% of my stuff, I just install Debian and chill.
I surfed a few distros before landing on Debian. It solved (almost) all the issues I had with Linux. Debian for life.
I only ever deploy and develop on Debian. Community run distros all the way. I had bad experiences with Redhat decades ago and do everything I can to avoid it or its siblings.
Debian has faults but it is often a taste thing. I like systems that give me upstream with minimal patches, like Arch. I moved to Arch on all desktops/laptops. The Debian devs repeatedly doing dumb shit with ssh patches was part of that. Arch is not unreliable but it is unstable. All that means is that software updates which aren’t backwards compatible sometimes require intervention . To be clear that is not a fault with Arch but it does make it much less suitable for long hassle free server deployments. Also Arch doesn’t have the Debian security announce list or maintain a stable production environment for years with backported security fixes and unnattended security updates.
I really need one of these shirts
How does Debian do level and security updates? Are they generally a good pace but userland starts consistent?
They backport security updates to the existing software versions on stable, which causes the packages to be secure without introducing new behavior. Feature updates only occur with a new stable release I believe.
Exceptions exist, for example rsync recently got a new upstream version to fix 33 CVEs: rsync.NEWS
I also saw that recently. I’d like to highlight this bit from the news:
This update contains behavior changes, all of which stems from the CVE fixes themselves, not exclusive to the version bump.
So it looks like the package is still mostly kept stable despite the exception made.
it is rare but some feature updates do get to stable, most software that is important to up to date with security fixes have the concept of an LTS or somethinf akin to it, firefox has ESR for example, basically it is a version where the devs will continously backport security fixes to it but not the features
Debian 14 is here?
It’s not. Post is confusing.
They broke apt-get and I don’t like apt
Too bad they too bit the AI bullet.
