• Dogiedog64@lemmy.world
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    22 hours ago

    There’s a lot going on here…

    Also no green text. OP is a fucking loser, response is a fucking loser.

  • sit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 day ago

    Fake: the question is not legitimate as it’s meant to be a joke (first layer)

    Gay: secretly (second layer) anon is not interested in the woman (as he’s gay) and wants to proliferate russian propaganda

  • marcie (she/her)@lemmy.ml
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    1 day ago

    Only after Ukraine started massacring people that didn’t want to be part of an American puppet state

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      16 hours ago

      tbf no one gets to be the world police. Making that a justification is how US also does it to invade Iran (even though it is baseless claim).

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        11 hours ago

        You’re saying that no one should play world police, but the reality is someone is by couping the Ukrainian government during Euromaidan. You are tacitly supporting the world police by shaming groups that effectively interdict them.

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        2 hours ago

        ?? this is all living memory shit. are you 12?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan

        they voted to leave after the euromaidan coup. now, the west is pillaging ukraine and making them indebted to the west for possibly hundreds of years. ukrainian citizens will never again have a say in their own country barring an anti-western revolution. also remember that wikipedia on this is very biased towards the western side. you should also consider that for the longest time, donbas and crimea were fighting with only their manpower against ukraine, you have to get all of those people willing to die for a cause somewhere, and it is likely the people that voted for secession in the first place. the ukrainians themselves know the writing is on the wall and have abandoned the country en masse, ukraine now has a population similar to benelux

        and before anyone says these elections were a farce, remember that the demographics of each of these areas are majority russian. is it really so hard to imagine that they would vote to join russia? even before the russian-ukraine war and russia’s direct involvement, ukraine outlawed the speaking and teaching of russian, belarusian, and yiddish in its schools, whereas before the coup, russian was granted a minority status. since the war, russian speakers are legally second class citizens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine

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          1 day ago

          I am much older than 12 but wanted to invite a learning experience rather than blindly following or dismissing.

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            1 day ago

            It’s very difficult to parse through the propaganda that our own imperial governments are feeding us about this war, but it’s much more complicated than “Russia bad”.

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              18 hours ago

              No it’s pretty much Russia bad. It doesn’t mean no one else is bad but invading a nation and murdering it’s occupants is pretty universally bad guy territory.

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                18 hours ago

                So was it bad when the Ukrainian government, which was couped by America by the way, was murdering ethnic Russians within its borders?

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                  I don’t know of any evidence of that but if true yes that would also be bad. I do love a gotcha attempt though. We agree however that Russia did not come up with that excuse until months after invading, correct. Retroactive justification is still just shitty excuses, they invaded and murdered civilians, whatever their excuse the cost of life far exceeds that at this point. They should leave, whoever believes themselves Russian is free to fuck off back to Russia with them.

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        18 hours ago

        If this is so analogous, who is the Soviet Union that offered to defend Czechoslovakia? Who is the Poland that offered to invade with the Nazis? Who is building an anticommunist crusade?

        The goal has always been the same. The west funded the Nazis. The west funded Ukraine. The goal was always to expand the imperialist economic sphere of the west and open up restricted markets. If you can’t comprehend this, you’re a fucking idiot.

        I would also like to mention that supporting Palestine and supporting Ukraine are dichotomous positions. You cannot support increasing the power of the MIC to help Ukraine, because that will lead to Palestine easily being crushed under the increased power of the MIC.

        And besides, the most obvious analogy is that modern Ukraine is just like Nazi-Occupied Ukraine. Modern Ukraine even adores the OUN and has diplomatic spats with Poland over it, and the EU led by the economic juggernaut Germany has the most to gain from the war being won by Ukraine.