• marcie (she/her)@lemmy.ml
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      10 days ago

      ?? this is all living memory shit. are you 12?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan

      they voted to leave after the euromaidan coup. now, the west is pillaging ukraine and making them indebted to the west for possibly hundreds of years. ukrainian citizens will never again have a say in their own country barring an anti-western revolution. also remember that wikipedia on this is very biased towards the western side. you should also consider that for the longest time, donbas and crimea were fighting with only their manpower against ukraine, you have to get all of those people willing to die for a cause somewhere, and it is likely the people that voted for secession in the first place. the ukrainians themselves know the writing is on the wall and have abandoned the country en masse, ukraine now has a population similar to benelux

      and before anyone says these elections were a farce, remember that the demographics of each of these areas are majority russian. is it really so hard to imagine that they would vote to join russia? even before the russian-ukraine war and russia’s direct involvement, ukraine outlawed the speaking and teaching of russian, belarusian, and yiddish in its schools, whereas before the coup, russian was granted a minority status. since the war, russian speakers are legally second class citizens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine

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        11 days ago

        I am much older than 12 but wanted to invite a learning experience rather than blindly following or dismissing.

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          11 days ago

          It’s very difficult to parse through the propaganda that our own imperial governments are feeding us about this war, but it’s much more complicated than “Russia bad”.

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            11 days ago

            No it’s pretty much Russia bad. It doesn’t mean no one else is bad but invading a nation and murdering it’s occupants is pretty universally bad guy territory.

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                  10 days ago

                  This ragged old canned talking point? The Nazis invaded Poland, the government collapsed, and then the communists went in to slow their advance and evacuate civillians. Would you prefer that a bunch of methed-out nazis be allowed to run through Poland unopposed, killing whoever they want?

                  Who was it that funded, legitimized and handed power to the nazis because they were terrified that communist uprisings in Europe might force them to share? Who just straight up gave them Czechoslovakia under no pressure?

                  You don’t know or care about the answers to any of these questions because you’re just engaging in your programming. And you’re not even a bot, just some poor fuck on the absolute bottom rung of existential and political understanding.

                  Back to the thing you wanted to change the subject from: Allies were the bad guys in WW2, right? They crossed into another country and killed people, pretty straightforward.

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              11 days ago

              So was it bad when the Ukrainian government, which was couped by America by the way, was murdering ethnic Russians within its borders?