they voted to leave after the euromaidan coup. now, the west is pillaging ukraine and making them indebted to the west for possibly hundreds of years. ukrainian citizens will never again have a say in their own country barring an anti-western revolution. also remember that wikipedia on this is very biased towards the western side. you should also consider that for the longest time, donbas and crimea were fighting with only their manpower against ukraine, you have to get all of those people willing to die for a cause somewhere, and it is likely the people that voted for secession in the first place. the ukrainians themselves know the writing is on the wall and have abandoned the country en masse, ukraine now has a population similar to benelux
and before anyone says these elections were a farce, remember that the demographics of each of these areas are majority russian. is it really so hard to imagine that they would vote to join russia? even before the russian-ukraine war and russia’s direct involvement, ukraine outlawed the speaking and teaching of russian, belarusian, and yiddish in its schools, whereas before the coup, russian was granted a minority status. since the war, russian speakers are legally second class citizens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine
It’s very difficult to parse through the propaganda that our own imperial governments are feeding us about this war, but it’s much more complicated than “Russia bad”.
No it’s pretty much Russia bad. It doesn’t mean no one else is bad but invading a nation and murdering it’s occupants is pretty universally bad guy territory.
This ragged old canned talking point? The Nazis invaded Poland, the government collapsed, and then the communists went in to slow their advance and evacuate civillians. Would you prefer that a bunch of methed-out nazis be allowed to run through Poland unopposed, killing whoever they want?
Who was it that funded, legitimized and handed power to the nazis because they were terrified that communist uprisings in Europe might force them to share? Who just straight up gave them Czechoslovakia under no pressure?
You don’t know or care about the answers to any of these questions because you’re just engaging in your programming. And you’re not even a bot, just some poor fuck on the absolute bottom rung of existential and political understanding.
Back to the thing you wanted to change the subject from: Allies were the bad guys in WW2, right? They crossed into another country and killed people, pretty straightforward.
I don’t know of any evidence of that but if true yes that would also be bad. I do love a gotcha attempt though. We agree however that Russia did not come up with that excuse until months after invading, correct. Retroactive justification is still just shitty excuses, they invaded and murdered civilians, whatever their excuse the cost of life far exceeds that at this point. They should leave, whoever believes themselves Russian is free to fuck off back to Russia with them.
Source?
?? this is all living memory shit. are you 12?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan
they voted to leave after the euromaidan coup. now, the west is pillaging ukraine and making them indebted to the west for possibly hundreds of years. ukrainian citizens will never again have a say in their own country barring an anti-western revolution. also remember that wikipedia on this is very biased towards the western side. you should also consider that for the longest time, donbas and crimea were fighting with only their manpower against ukraine, you have to get all of those people willing to die for a cause somewhere, and it is likely the people that voted for secession in the first place. the ukrainians themselves know the writing is on the wall and have abandoned the country en masse, ukraine now has a population similar to benelux
and before anyone says these elections were a farce, remember that the demographics of each of these areas are majority russian. is it really so hard to imagine that they would vote to join russia? even before the russian-ukraine war and russia’s direct involvement, ukraine outlawed the speaking and teaching of russian, belarusian, and yiddish in its schools, whereas before the coup, russian was granted a minority status. since the war, russian speakers are legally second class citizens. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine
I am much older than 12 but wanted to invite a learning experience rather than blindly following or dismissing.
It’s very difficult to parse through the propaganda that our own imperial governments are feeding us about this war, but it’s much more complicated than “Russia bad”.
No it’s pretty much Russia bad. It doesn’t mean no one else is bad but invading a nation and murdering it’s occupants is pretty universally bad guy territory.
The allies were the bad guys in ww2, got it
Remind me who invaded Poland, when and with who’s help?
This ragged old canned talking point? The Nazis invaded Poland, the government collapsed, and then the communists went in to slow their advance and evacuate civillians. Would you prefer that a bunch of methed-out nazis be allowed to run through Poland unopposed, killing whoever they want?
Who was it that funded, legitimized and handed power to the nazis because they were terrified that communist uprisings in Europe might force them to share? Who just straight up gave them Czechoslovakia under no pressure?
You don’t know or care about the answers to any of these questions because you’re just engaging in your programming. And you’re not even a bot, just some poor fuck on the absolute bottom rung of existential and political understanding.
Back to the thing you wanted to change the subject from: Allies were the bad guys in WW2, right? They crossed into another country and killed people, pretty straightforward.
Uh huh the soviets never signed an agreement about Poland either huh?
Who invaded Normandy?
Germany.
Who invaded Germany?
No one so far as I’m aware, are you really aiming for Nazi apologism?
So was it bad when the Ukrainian government, which was couped by America by the way, was murdering ethnic Russians within its borders?
I don’t know of any evidence of that but if true yes that would also be bad. I do love a gotcha attempt though. We agree however that Russia did not come up with that excuse until months after invading, correct. Retroactive justification is still just shitty excuses, they invaded and murdered civilians, whatever their excuse the cost of life far exceeds that at this point. They should leave, whoever believes themselves Russian is free to fuck off back to Russia with them.
https://packaged-media.redd.it/nruy87gxbcqa1/pb/m2-res_480p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&var=sgpssan&v=1&e=1793682000&s=cb508587186af3a81ec3c038e99d0e40b0240a21
Hard to find these days because western media completely changed their tune into supporting Ukraine shortly after lol.
Packaged media . Reddit
Hard no on that bud.