“AI isn’t capable of taking any jobs away.”
Yeah I’m a CS dropout and worked for startups for 10 years and now nobody is biting. Starting to think I need a career change because I can’t see things improving any time soon now that AI is out of the bag.
Honestly, its just a boom/bust cycle out of the pandemic. They overhired in 2021/2022. Hang in there, it’ll sort itself out.
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Recession isnt breaking because Ai is pumping the market.
You really need to move into leadership or project management roles or do something to distinguish yourself like also studying applied math so that you can do data science. There have, for a very long time, been far too many CompSci/ComEng graduates out there. The market is saturated.
Love how much the goalposts keep moving. It used to be enough for one person to work in a warehouse to buy a house and fund an entire family
Where did I move goalposts? I’m giving the same advice I give to my students. Make your profile different than every other CS grad.
If I was willing to do that then I would have done so years ago, the calculus hasn’t really changed. If I’m going to do that then I might as well do literally anything else I don’t enjoy.
So business as usual and no changes?
Not sure where I said no changes, I literally said in my first comment that I’m looking at other careers. Just because I don’t like your suggestion doesn’t mean I’m doing “business as usual”.
If I was willing to do that then I would have done so years ago
This is what I was responding to. It came across as very defeatist.
Lol so you think it’s defeatist to have a hard no for 1 specific position? There are so many other things to do in life than be a manager. If you think saying hard no to 1 position is equivalent to rejecting any change in strategy then idk what to tell you. You’re the one coming across as condescending by trying to mischaracterize my preference against being a manager as saying I won’t try anything different, and that’s kinda lame.
Yeah man. You come across as a bit unstable. You came in on the attack when my original comment was not directed at you specifically. Whatever is going on here is really a you thing. You might spend some time figuring out why. Chill.
‘just become a ceo bro’
it’s so easy. just start your own company with 500K of startup capital!
Very odd. You can move into management. You can learn project management. You can do SOMETHING that makes you stand out from others. Not sure why you went with such an example.
Not everyone can move infinitely upwards.
you realize that, right? only a select few people get those positions.
most people do not have the skills, talent, or drive to attain these things, nor should they. most people will cap out in their career in their 30s/40s. and most people will never even be middle management.
because that’s how numbers work. for each project there is one lead, and several people below them.
Truly it is far harder to get into CompSci than it is to get into management. I am speaking as an IT Director. And I am not suggesting that everyone can do these things, the point is that people need to diversify their skills and do something that sets them apart from the typical profile. Notably, I keep seeing conversations about age discrimination in other threads and am convinced that it is in great part because many people don’t find ways to keep growing.
Title clowning on Liberal Arts, but that’s one of the best educations to have in an Ai dominated job market… or any competitive job market.
“allow me to explain this quarters earnings in interpretive dance.”
That would unironically be a more entertaining and useful presentation than pretty much any all-hands keynote delivered by the C-suite that I’ve ever seen in my career
yes, but it’s systematically undervalued because stupid people don’t understand how powerful soft skills are and think all that matter is hard skills.
but statistically most liberal art grads do very well later in life, even if they don’t make as much starting out.
Who cares, let them sleep on the value of the degree. ;)
It’s because people who can risk pursuing a liberal arts degree are already well off
they aren’t. but keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel superior.
Like half of the stem majors are foreign born rich kids. Just look at the tuition charged.
Only TE majors actually get paid well. Life Science degrees may as well be liberal arts.
yeah but they are majoring in STEM so they are automatically hard working and good people or something.
and lets not… acknowledge how many people in STEM… have liberal arts degrees… which is a lot.
I’d think plumbing, electrical might be even better. 😄
While those will be the last bastion. Not many people want to do them for many reasons, like running wire in an attic in the summer–you can put a gun to my head and I’m still not going up there (I do my own house repairs, but it’s winter only).
Honestly I wish I just went to retail after moving back to family. My body’s fubar. And I fixed espresso machines; which is a combination of plumbing and electrical. So far 0/5 trainees. They all end up making mistakes, breaking stuff with the hold my beer method, and give up after a few days.
Funny you say that, I’d have never left retail if the pay was decent. I used to be comouter technician back in the late 2000s and early 2010s. I loved that job. I did not want any other job. I certainly don’t like my current software job more than that job.
That’s kind of what happened to me. At first it was great, pay was not too bad, I was teaching myself new things, it was really pretty good. Then a decade later, it’s just work to why am I even doing this.
I think the last three years I’ve been working solo, had a co-worker briefly but he needed something more consistent.
So from going back 6 years ago, having three co-workers and going to just me by myself, it started to feel like solitary confinement and I slowly started to hate it. The base pay didn’t change; I’ve been not paid and ripped off too many times, customers suck but at least I shut down a few businesses that way. Then came the complaints about, I would charge $150 for a trip charge and $100 an hour after that. Which is actually reasonable because of all the work before hand, billing, ordering parts, driving, vehicle wear and fuel (I’d have to charge $250 for a trip now because of the all the expenses), tools, etc. And well the decade of experience. Not to mention fixing shit in a restaurant is a crappy work environment and the restaurant owners are the most annoying, entitled, cry babies. So I stopped doing service calls. And just did the $30 an hour, 1099, at the shop for whoever wants to bring their stuff in to get fixed.
I liked the work that I did but not the rest of it and the constant nagging from my ex-friend/boss (learned why you don’t work with friends). It’s like the whole business was set up around me and it just felt worse and worse. So yeah I recently quit and I’m hoping to get a job at a pet store while being a career college student. It makes me happy that there was maybe 10K of lost sales. A family member died, I got sick from the lettuce fun, and then I was told I’m a lazy drunk, get out of bed and go to work, and the kicker “was she really that important to you.” So I just said fuck it, I’m done.
When I worked in retail, it wasn’t bad. I was surrounded by pretty girls… some of which I dated, and well some that I had to smack away with a fly swatter. They let me do whatever I wanted there so it was good, got a 50% raise in a year and a position created just for me that paid as much as a supervisor. Interacted with all sorts of people, it was nice. I’ll tell you, I have to get reacquainted with society. The last three-four years of only seeing an average of two people a day messed me up. I struggle going to the grocery store for longer than ten minutes.
Sorry for the long rant, but I just figured I’d share that I get what you mean.
and the kicker “was she really that important to you.”
LMAO was she?
My grandma.
Grandmas tend to be important.
Its up to you, but trades have very little flexibility. If the job market changes or dries up, you can transfer very little without going out and getting a new trade.
Yes but if those job markets have dried up, pretty much every market will have also.
Huh. It’s almost like the problem has always been the economy and the people who influence it, and not what people studied.
no bro, it’s because you’re stupid and majored in comp sci. should have majored in healthcare services!
funny thing is everyone i know who… made a legit effort in college and in life in general has done well. it’s the people who… just kind of showed up and expected to be rewarded that struggled and continue to struggle economically.
and that is regardless of economic conditions. it is the economy but it’s also personal habits and expectations. my own brother has been unemployed for over 5 years now, and what he won’t accept that is it’s his attitude that makes him unemployable. he’s so prideful he would rather be unemployed than ‘take a job that is below me’. had multiple offers are smaller companies for less pay and just refused to take them.
his industry has been shrinking for over a decade too, and he also refused to try another industry…
Agreed. The sort of people who just want the paper rather than growth get left behind. Those who focus on growth will continue to grow.
tell me more about my co-workers who refuse to learn new things… and wonder why they are getting 'left behind by AI" or whatever…
Considering the downvotes, I think I hit a nerve.
What I often see missing from conversations about jobs and AI from well meaning people who are rightly skeptical towards AI hype is that AI does not need to be able to do the complete job a of a whole human in order to kill jobs. It needs to make some people more productive in an industry that isn’t growing fast enough. The people that get more productive get to do the work of others who are let go or not hired. And it can definitely make some people more productive in certain areas and tasks. Whether that’s sustainable in various ways over the long term is a different question, one that many (or most) businesses are not concerned with.
Millennials: Boomers had it so easy, they could buy a house for $20k when they were 25
Gen Z: Millennials had it so easy, they could get a job paying more then $20k when they were 25
Almost like there’s trend there.
starting salary for a college grad is 50K+ now.
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AI and Climate Change. Two existential threats to humanity that we have proven to be entirely incapable of responsibly addressing.
Gonna be a dark future.
Should have gotten a useful degree. Enjoy those student loans, leeches.
