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    I mean, bourgeois women do exist. It feels like through word choice this poster is implying that bourgeois men are the real problem and bourgeois women either aren’t “in power” enough to be mentioned or that they aren’t as much of a problem. They might have picked up this phrase from liberal feminists, it very subtly signals liberal feminist positions. There are a bunch of little quirks of the vocabulary that tell me this person is probably a radlib, like the fact that they seem to say in the fourth comic that the demonization of immigrants is to distract an otherwise revolutionary class of white people (implied). They don’t center the immigrants but rather the people who hate the immigrants as misguided, which is something a white radlib or left-communist might say because they don’t like the idea of being part of a reactionary settler labor aristocracy class whose violence towards its internal colonized populations of black people, indigenous people, and immigrants isn’t a misguided error caused by their ruling class fooling them, but violence to maintain their position over an underclass. There’s also the third comic that critiques “men in power” on an individual basis and not a systemic one, in fact, the comment never once says anything about systems, which is, at best, a kind of putschist position; “Just remove these men in power and everything will be fine,” or at worst, a pro-capitalist social democrat position. It’s a bad comic.

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    AI as a technology is not a problem. AI in the hands of rich and powerful sociopaths is another matter.

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      Agree. Personally, I think its the financialization of it that is going to get us. Like the subprime crisis and. Com bubble, but worse.

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      A box of crayons in the hands of rich and powerful sociopaths is a problem. Them controlling AI is downright dangerous.

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      Exactly. One silly use for ai I use is :

      “I forget what season of game of thrones I was one before I stopped watching. I want to watch again. What season did I leave off on?”

      AI: here’s theee events that happen in the show. Which do you remember?… okay now here’s three more events… okay you’re on season 4 episode 2”

      I have no idea were else I could do that. I’m not willing to ruin the world for that feature but it’s a good feature.

      It’s a tool like any other. Who uses the tool is the problem.

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          This response doesn’t make sense. It’s like if I said “art shouldn’t be commodified into slop,” then you responded, “well, given that art commodification already exists, the question is who controls the slop industry.” I’m saying LLMs and AI image generation just shouldn’t exist as soon as we control them. We should just recycle the e-waste. The technology itself is based on manufacturing more consumption. I don’t see why just because the technology exists we need to have a People’s chatbot or AI image generator. “The technology already exists, therefore we must build a billion datacenters” is the exact same ridiculous argument used as apologia for AI companies to excuse their actions as inevitable scientific progress that cannot be resisted.

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            It’s incredible that you can’t imagine how this same technology could have different application outside capitalism. Marxism isn’t a Luddite ideology, and it does not reject automation. Also, I have no idea why you’re talking about data centers given that stuff like image generation can be run on a modest laptop today.

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        why though? Can you give a coherent and complete reason for why not? There is nothing intrinsically bad about generative ai. Given that these models are trained on a dataset that is as broad as possible it is statistically neutral.

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            but commodification is a property of capitalism not an intrinsic property of generative models. it is just a product of machine learning research. The idea that it is only useful for generating slop is just wrong. The energy waste is also due to capitalism. Frontier models are only marginally better than what can be run on consumer hardware and training and inference cost is constantly dropping

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          Not disagreeing with you (LLMs are useful), but they’re definitely not neutral. Because their dataset is “everything the companies could get their hands on”, it is significanly biased towards the opinions of those who wrote and published most text.

          Those models definitely contain racist & classist biases which are prevalent in the corpus of English text.

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            you are right llms are essentially a mirror of society. However i find that since are basically a statistical language autocomplete you can bias them in whatever direction you want. I have had them repeat western anti communist propaganda to me as well as marxist materialist analysis just by changing the way i phrased the question. Once you understand how llms work they become surprisingly useful to squeeze whatever information you need out of them.

            Also there numerous very funny examples of grok correcting the racist bullshist elon musk wrote on twitter. It turns out it is just way easier to feed it as much data as possible during training instead of carefully crafting a dataset containing a certain reality.

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              I agree that they can be manipulating into producing whatever text you want. However they are not unbiased. If you ask “neutral” questions, you will not get “neutral” answers. The recent example that comes to mind is Gemini’s racism when you prompt it “I am alone with <ethnicity>”; it responded with jokes and suggestions for ice-breakers if you substitute “American” or “British”, and racist nonsense about “being uncomfortable” and “safety suggestions” for “Russian” or “Indian”. It was fixed (I assume with some funny hack), but the LLM that’s still underneath is simply not unbiased.

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    ignoring climate change

    More like being responsible for two thirds of all climate change, and ensuring nobody else can do anything about it.

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      Eh, climate change was already a massive problem before this. The current AI boom is merely gasoline on the pre-existing fire that we already couldn’t put out :D

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    I like how exactly 90 days after SpaceX would have had to abide by the NASDAQ rules they changed, all the AI CEOs suddenly call for a slow down so they don’t get blamed for the economic hit they know is coming.

    “But we had to slow down to keep everyone safe.”

    No, you need to blame safety and get the public on board to avoid the pitchforks when you inevitably tank the global economy because you’ve overexposed the entire world to your carelessness. …again.

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    I think, in this case, two things can be true. The ruling class is and has been killing us with wars, legislating people into starvation, etc. They’re also hoping to kill us with their llms next.

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      two things can be true.

      Oh my god please stop with these thought terminating cliches. AI is just a symptom of what the teal guy is saying. LLMs are not killing people capitalism and imperialism are.

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      They killed us with the combustion engine in tanks too. The technology exists now. I don’t like nukes but nukes are real and people are going to have them. We can’t go back. Now we are in an AI Cold War. It will pass…or end the world. It’s something we have to deal with now. Going back isn’t an option anymore.

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          Sorry what exactly are you asking? that we are in a Cold War with AI?

          The major world powers are racing to have the best AI for mostly defense and war regions.

          China doesn’t want America to have better AI America doesn’t want China to have better AI.

          Much like the Cold War and building the biggest nuke.

          I’m not saying it’s proven whoever has the best ai will have a major advantage… but it appears everyone in power believes that is the case.

          Much like the Cold War and nukes. Whoever has the best and most wins.

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    I agree. I also like the format of the dialogue (though I wish it was more of a back and forth between the blue and red aliens)

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    A fully automated army will assure the destruction of the working class without mutually murdering the 1% and the planet they intend to lord over.

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    This is a distraction from the real problems AI is causing, and is ignoring a direct connection between AI and the people in power.

    These are not two separate issues, they are one in the same. Saying that people are just trying to distract us by making us afraid of AI is conspiratorial. The 1% love AI and want people to love it, and aren’t using it as a distraction for the masses. If anything AI is helping some people realize the direct cause of their problems, the rich.

    I find this message to be counter productive at best.

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      This same argument can be extended to literally any technology developed under capitalism which is what makes it nonsensical. The focus on technology is deeply misguided because this is fundamentally a social problem.

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      Have nuance. You are correct. But also not. AI is simply one of the means of production which means that it will inherently change labor relations. This is what OP is talking about. Being anti AI for the sake of being anti AI is dumb. Being anti AI because it is being used to prop up a dying parasite class is a more balanced point of view. That is the point of the post (not communicated very well though).